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[Shari'El]

How are you supposed to have a happy ending with Solas?

 

Either than well, something like this lol:

 

I remember crying when I watched this as a child :<

[HurricaneGinger]

I didn't romance Thane because I felt compared to his wife; plus, I felt like he was still mourning her, and I didn't want to get in the way. But I swear when he died, and he had his son say that prayer:

 

“Kalahira, this one's heart is pure,
but beset by wickedness and contention.
Guide this one to where the traveler never tires,
the lover never leaves, the hungry never starve.
Guide this one, Kalahira,
and s/he will be a companion to you as s/he was to me.”

Kolyat? Why did the last verse say "she"?

[...] His wish was for you.

 

Oh God. I just...oh God. I dropped my controller, curled up into a ball and cried. The lines "guide this one to where the traveler never tires,

the lover never leaves, the hungry never starve" have become my own prayer, of sorts.

 

You find out that the reason he´s doing all of this is because Andruil is carrying his baby and they´re madly( ) in love?

 

*twitches*

[Yaslana]

She's better for him and she knows it!

Plus she isn't married to Skyhold.
And Lavellan will never stop being Quizzi.

(even not being in a romance with Jacob, my Shep wanted to kick his ass for that comment)

[Jackal19851111]

But the prize!

[CapricornSun]

You find out that the reason he´s doing all of this is because Andruil is carrying his baby and they´re madly( ) in love?

 

[jellobell]

Became a Rift Mage again and Solas noticed. So many other people were having trouble getting that dialogue that I was worried. He seems so pleased. I wish I could've told him that I became one because of him. 

 

Just did his personal quest again too. It's so incredibly heartbreaking. "I must endure." I wonder how long he knew that spirit of wisdom. Ages, probably. And just the way he emphasizes that it always hurts. He must have seen a great many of his friends die over his lifetime. And he feels every death so keenly.

 

What's really interesting, and something I didn't notice before, is that rift mages get a special line of dialogue during the quest. You can tell him that you'll use rift magic in order to break the binding faster, because it is better able to affect Fade stuff. I thought that was a really cool touch, especially since I'd just become a rift mage before the quest.

[RynJ]

You know, if it turns out that we're forced to kill Solas, he'll be the most tragic BioWare romance ever. We'll get to bring him up as an example of what not to do in video game romances for years to come. 

 

I laugh at these ideas to mask how nervous I am about how possible they are ahahaha...haha.....ha...

[scintilla]

You know, if it turns out that we're forced to kill Solas, he'll be the most tragic BioWare romance ever. We'll get to bring him up as an example of what not to do in video game romances for years to come. 

 

I laugh at these ideas to mask how nervous I am about how possible they are ahahaha...haha.....ha...

 

 

Yeah, Solas's future could really be a "laugh so you don't cry" thing. Except we will probably all cry anyway.

[Ajna]

Will I get in trouble if I point out that "Take the Dread Wolf by the ear if he comes" is now kind of a dirty saying? Woof.

 

Nope I said this before release in the spoiler group thread and made DR slap her forehead, it was a proud moment for me

[nranola]

 

I didn't romance Thane because I felt compared to his wife; plus, I felt like he was still mourning her, and I didn't want to get in the way. But I swear when he died, and he had his son say that prayer:

 

“Kalahira, this one's heart is pure,
but beset by wickedness and contention.
Guide this one to where the traveler never tires,
the lover never leaves, the hungry never starve.
Guide this one, Kalahira,
and s/he will be a companion to you as s/he was to me.”

Kolyat? Why did the last verse say "she"?

[...] His wish was for you.

 

Oh God. I just...oh God. I dropped my controller, curled up into a ball and cried. The lines "guide this one to where the traveler never tires,

the lover never leaves, the hungry never starve" have become my own prayer, of sorts.

 

 

I didn't romance Thane, but dammit, that scene gets me every time. I teared up again just from reading that. 

 

 

Like several people have expressed already, I just want closure with Solas's romance. Right now, it doesn't matter to me what they have planned as long as there's something, dammit!

 

...I'm part of the problem, aren't I? Let me correct myself: GIVE US A HAPPY CONCLUSION TO THE SOLAS ROMANCE PLS WEEKES </3

[Cezelle]

WHERE are my likes!? So many good thoughts, arts, gifs and fanfictions but I can't like iiiit aargh! Curse you forum! I've always been on team optimism and I'll stay there until proven otherwise, remember that time when we thought Solas wasn't going to be a romance but then got it after all?.. 

[Gervaise]

For me there are two aspects to the whole Solas business; the affect on my Lavellan girl and the affect on me.    Now my character in game is upset and hurt but she still believes in him and that he had his reasons for going off.   After all it wasn't the first time; he went off after the death of his friend but then he came back.   So she can live in hope, even if she gets that cryptic message through Cole.    Then if she finally accepts he isn't coming back, well she can always console herself with that nice Dalish boy we recruited, perhaps have some elf babies and call one of them Solas in his memory.   He will always be her first and true love but sometimes you have to move on if you are going to cope with it all.  

 

For me though it is different because I've seen the epilogue.   I'm hoping that Solas will be simply a figure in the background in future, like Flemeth has been up to now, pulling the strings and offering help and guidance when needed but not getting directly involved.    If the option is there to kill him, it will also be one that you can avoid, and he will be able to come back from it anyway.   

 

I have never identified so strongly emotionally with a character before.    There is just something about him that has nothing to do with looks or voice (although they do help) but simply the way he is in the game.    The fact that the majority of my decisions seemed to please him just emphasised how much he seemed to embody my ideal hero in outlook.   I particularly liked how he approved when I helped the little people in the game, the refugees, the ordinary citizens struggling to cope.    I like how he wants to see slaves of all races freed.    I never got tired of talking with him and was really sad when the dialogue ran out.    I enjoyed hearing him talk with other people in the party and invariably saying all the things to them that I would have liked to.    I love the real passion in his voice when he is arguing against slavery or the outlook of the Qun.       We'd already had the codex that suggested that Fen'Harel was really a rebel not a trickster as they Dalish teach, so the final reveal whilst an interesting twist was not too much of a shock.    I'd always suspected that he was an ancient elf and the rebel god aspect explained a lot about him.   

 

It was just that final bit with Flemeth that was so disturbing and set all sorts of alarm bells ringing, particularly with his eyes and the dark tendrils.    I can accept him walking out on Lavellan (me), I can understand why he felt he couldn't reveal the truth about himself to her, I can appreciate that it may never be possible for him to be a companion in the future, but I couldn't cope with Solas becoming a big bad, of having to be in opposition to him, of all the things I loved about his character having changed for the worse.   That would just be too cruel.    

[drake2511]

I have no likes left and it's still early morning here. WHAT.

I agree that we should be vocal (but also respectful, of course) about wanting a happy ending, if we want Bioware to know how much we care. I un-lurked after years because of this thread and while I am not a really active poster, I still enjoy talking with you about our little baldy hobo apostate.

I don't even know how, but he has become so important to me. I care about a fictional character so much it hurts, I feel silly but I can't help it. I need help.

[kalasaurus]

Aww, this is the first time I heard Solas say this in Crestwood (when you pass through the Deep Roads)

 

Trevelyan: (laugh) The nugs seem to like it down here.

Solas: This must be the first time they've seen people like us.  I wonder what they make of the giants passing through their home.

 

YOU ARE TOO CUTE SOLAS WHY AM I PLAYING A HUMAN XD

[LliiraAnna]

I have no likes left and it's still early morning here. WHAT.

I agree that we should be vocal (but also respectful, of course) about wanting a happy ending, if we want Bioware to know how much we care. I un-lurked after years because of this thread and while I am not a really active poster, I still enjoy talking with you about our little baldy hobo apostate.

I don't even know how, but he has become so important to me. I care about a fictional character so much it hurts, I feel silly but I can't help it. I need help.

I tend to care about characters in games, books and films... so much that I can be a total crybaby if something bad happens to them. I like drama, but prefer it to be followed by a good ending - it makes it feel so much more worthwhile. 

[Cheerios789]

I have no likes left and it's still early morning here. WHAT.

I agree that we should be vocal (but also respectful, of course) about wanting a happy ending, if we want Bioware to know how much we care. I un-lurked after years because of this thread and while I am not a really active poster, I still enjoy talking with you about our little baldy hobo apostate.

I don't even know how, but he has become so important to me. I care about a fictional character so much it hurts, I feel silly but I can't help it. I need help.

 

I've never been more than a casual lurker ... Solas has ruined me.

 

Btw, this is going to sound weird, I love your avatar.  She is so pretty.  I'm really attached to the way my chars looks and usually I can't stand to see others, but yours is gorgeous. 

 

I'm not weird ... you're weird  ...  No, it's me I'm sorry

[AWTEW]

You find out that the reason he´s doing all of this is because Andruil is carrying his baby and they´re madly( ) in love?

 

Weeks would have to barricade his door from pitchforks and knives, if that happened. I mean pulling a jacob scenario in DA, would be very low, and slightly hilarious at the same time.

[nranola]

A bit off-topic, and I apologize if this derails the conversation, but I need it for fanfic reasons. 

 

Regarding that dialogue we get from Cole post-credits,

Spoiler

does it imply that Cole was made to forget everything about Solas? The way I understood it, Cole was only made to forget the aspects of Solas that could reveal his future plans - we know from that Solas has the ability to selectively "block" Cole's vision. But... I dunno. How much of himself does Solas think gives his plans away? Just a part of him? All of him?

 

Does Cole remember Solas at all post-credits?

 

I'd love to hear what you guys think about this!

 

Relevant screenshot (sorta) for top-of-page:

[wildannie]

I know, right.  I don't mean he's trying to be patronizing or didactic to players, more that he's trying to really demonstrate that aspect of life: things don't always get fixed.

Yeah,  I don't actually think that is PW's plan but would be v unhappy if it was, there are other ways of exploring the harsher aspects of life and relationships, such as Varric and Bianca,  as a player it is not something I want my characters to experience without resolution.

 

I'd like elves to not get screwed this time around. In Origins when my Dalish had to execute her childhood boo-lover-friend...I was devastated and heartbroken. It didn't even matter if she had moved on to Zev or Alistair, because that effing SUCKED. You never forget your first love. And that happened to her. And heaven forbid she be left as the mistress to Alistair. The only straight option she has that doesn't suck is Zev. Which is actually the best ending for them....O.o It would just suck a million times over for the Dalish females to get smacked down again.

 

But I do agree, it's not over until someone in it is over with the other. And in this case neither is over it. Until death or time passes for emotions to fade, they are both still bound to each other.

I have been very pro-elf from DAO (I never even completed a game with a human or dwarf)  I just can't think of any reason why either origin would fall for Alistair,  the city elf in particular, Zev was an excellent option for them.  

I find the elven situation to be very interesting, at present they are on what appears to be a terminal slide and it is hard to see how it could be turned around without a massive gamechanger - I hope that is what Solas is going to provide.

 

We should all write strongly politely worded letters about how women don't actually like it when their video game romances end like tragic Lifetime movies (especially when our male counterparts always 'get the girl'). I want an ending that would make the end of a Hallmark movie look like the ending of Old Yeller dammit.

 

 I actually did this in the aftermath of ME3 regarding Thane,  I can't remember exactly what I said but the emphasis was definitely on how genuinely upset it had made me, and explaining that this really was not an experience that I had found even remotely entertaining, it was also polite but I really had to say it.

I genuinely believe that the Thane content in the Citadel DLC was there in recognition of all the hard work of all the fans who created art and kept the pressure on, it was still too little to late though.

 

Travelling Thane went from Scotland around Europe, Australia, NZ and the US for the cause ...

Spoiler

heading off on his journey

 

 

 

 

Edited to add:  At least in ME3, after my beloved Thane dies, FemShep can mourn, then get it on with Kaidan! Rebounding is a way to cope, too. 

lol, that was one of the things that pissed me off the most!

 

I agree that the tragedy is not what made the romance.  I completely agree. 

 

However, I feel like the tragedy aspect swings around because of the "Solas is too real" part.  Many of the companions you can change and "fix" with a simple mission or a well said argument.  But how often is that actually the case in real-life? 

 

Morrigan is an example that gets thrown around alot and I agree with it.  You can't change Morrigan.  She is who she is and you can only breach the emotional barrier and not her ideals.  I like that a lot and I'm not even a big Morrigan fan.  Thane also gets thrown around, but I find that lacking a bit.  He seemed one-dimensional to me.  I mean I liked him, but not because he felt "real". 

 

I think the breakup was inevitable and it had to happen, but I do honestly believe there will be closure.  We just don't have it yet.  Solas is too dynamic and the only barrier we were able to slip into was his emotional one and I do think that will have consequences (for any "friendly" quizzy).

 

Now if I'm wrong and we don't get closure ... I will flip my sh*t.  I will seriously flip out.  Hell nor Void has no fury like my Lavellan scorned.  I will man the trebuchets right alongside you.  However, I'm giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt here.  Remember when everyone was all pissy about the DLCs coming out too early for DA2?  I think they already have a DLC raring to go and are simply biding their sweet money grubbing time.  I mean ... I hope so.  Because I have so many monies just waiting to be spent.

 

But good god almighty the writing ... ugh so delicious.  I cannot get over it... I'm dying again.

I'm very wary of giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt, they kind of 'forgot' Thane was a romance.  I say it is better to keep the pressure on, not in a complainy way but in a 'this is what we would really like to see' way

 

When Thane died... I sobbed.  I legit ugly-cried.  Fast-forward to the ending of ME3, I sat in stunned silence.  I couldn't move... the credits rolled, and that SONG, you know the one, began to play, and I just, sat there.  Once I got over the shock, my face started to leak, and didn't stop until my eyes were swollen shut and my face was raw.

 

I may be a little more emotionally-involved in video games than I'd like to admit.  *shrug* Tis what it is. 

I was prone to crying for days afterwards,  I was so angry, embarassed and ashamed that the developers had made me feel that way, so that would upset me too - twas messy,  my partner just looked at me bemused and gave me hugs       

[harinezumii]

I'm not sure if this have been discussed already but I have to ask...

 

Spoiler

That why is every elven god portrayed as bald? Even the godesses... Why is that? http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_pantheon

[javeart]

Well, after months avoiding spoilers and weeks playing DAI like crazy, my first post had to be here... I'm still trying to catch up, but I have to say now that I love Solas, he's such a great character: his personality, his part in the story, his dialogues... Really great 

 

And, of course, I'm so happy that he ended up being a romance option (sorry he's not avaliable to guys, though), specially since I didn't like much any of the other options for a straight female... Even if there's not much romance specific content, everything in his scenes fits really well for a romanced Inquisitor (the fade scene, the "world change" line, etc)... I even feel it's kind of wasted if he's not romanced   

 

Personally, I didn't mind the dramatic end, which it's very wierd because I'm also very oppossed to drama when it comes to romances... but the break-up scene was beaitful and I think it was wonderfuly written, with all those options for reactions (compaired, for instance, with Jacob's beak-up). Not so happy about most flirty lines, I have to say (the ones with the heart icon), most felt a little   ... but, doesn't matter, overall it was a great romance   and I'm so relieved because I thought I was going to miss badly not having one available (as a woman) written by David Gaider

 

Also, I'm not killing Solas, never, stop talking about that, that cannot happen. 

[drake2511]

I tend to care about characters in games, books and films... so much that I can be a total crybaby if something bad happens to them. I like drama, but prefer it to be followed by a good ending - it makes it feel so much more worthwhile. 

Yes, exactly. I want my Lavellan to be able to be with him, it's the only way I can handle sadness and tragedy in a romance - if it has a happy ending.
 

 

I've never been more than a casual lurker ... Solas has ruined me.

 

Btw, this is going to sound weird, I love your avatar.  She is so pretty.  I'm really attached to the way my chars looks and usually I can't stand to see others, but yours is gorgeous. 

 

I'm not weird ... you're weird  ...  No, it's me I'm sorry

He has ruined us all, I'm afraid. *hugs* At least we're not alone.

Thank you The lighting in that shot helps, but even if sometimes I can see some flaws I love the way she looks, it fits her personality. I'm sure your Lavellan is lovely too

[LliiraAnna]

Back then, a lot of fans wanted an opportunity to save Thane... well, we've got the Citadel DLC, which is better than nothing. What I was meaning to say is, no matter how optimistic I - or we - want to be, the devs are unlikely to do major changes to the game just because we want them to. They certainly knew what will happen after DAI even before DAI came out. Yes, they may change small things, add a scene or two, but that's all. 

And that's why I hate sitting here and waiting. I keep hoping for a good ending, but there's a part of me that is just "No, no happy end for you this time too!". It's... maddening.

[Rabbitonfire]

I'm not sure if this have been discussed already but I have to ask...

 

Spoiler

That why is every elven god portrayed as bald? Even the godesses... Why is that? http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_pantheon

Maybe baldness represents a cleared mind. Elves of power just seem to like a clean shave. Though this assumption only reaches towards Keeper Zathrian and Shartan.

[Ajna]

A bit off-topic, and I apologize if this derails the conversation, but I need it for fanfic reasons. 

 

Regarding that dialogue we get from Cole post-credits,

Spoiler

does it imply that Cole was made to forget everything about Solas? The way I understood it, Cole was only made to forget the aspects of Solas that could reveal his future plans - we know from that Solas has the ability to selectively "block" Cole's vision. But... I dunno. How much of himself does Solas think gives his plans away? Just a part of him? All of him?

 

Does Cole remember Solas at all post-credits?

 

I'd love to hear what you guys think about this!

 

Relevant screenshot (sorta) for top-of-page:

I took it to mean that he just blocked anything regarding who Solas actually is and his plans. But that's just how I saw it..