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[Roxy]

Since it's a tweet and doesn't have any context/tone I think it could come off as a bit confrontational...? It's the second part: "we're not taking this brk up happily" like "we aren't going to take this lying down" kind of deal. The writers/editors/devs get a lot of crap from angry fans and they might default to thinking you're acting entitled even if that's not your intention (and I don't think it is). Maybe change the second half to something you want to see? Or talk about hearts breaking or something?  "Solas fans need a Happy ending, our hearts can't take any more sadness" or "[...], hope it happens so we can rejoice!"

 

Really you can say whatever you want, but that's my two cents >.>

 

 

 

 

 

It's the worst kind of break-up though, since he was so cryptic about it! Arlaise "true-love" Lavellan is going to join whatever club Varric is in, I think. Just have bromances for the rest of her life.

 

No I like that part and will add it. I wasn't exactly trying to come off as rude or anything. 

[Patchwork]

I'm struggling to find a good change Fen'Harel could bring, suddenly tearing down the Veil and forcing people to live alongside Fade creatures has disaster written all over it. Even if they're weak power wise the Creators are not going to react well to world that treats them like...well elves. Creating an elven kingdom is better than the other two choices but he's so definite in his ideas that he'd be a terrible leader for modern elves.

 

After DAI I really want Wolf Hunt to give something good to the elves but I half convinced guilt is going to drive Solas to do something world ending and as the hero we have to stop him. 

[SamanthaJ]

No I like that part and will add it. I wasn't exactly trying to come off as rude or anything. 

 

You could always point out how rough the romances aimed towards straight women often are compared to men are and ask them to consider what the people in this thread are saying about the matter: http://forum.bioware...sible-spoilers/

[Cheerios789]

If I'm remembering correctly didn't Eros get a happily ever after type situation with his mortal lover?

 

Yes, yes he did.  Psyche and Eros/Cupid.  Pretty much the only happily ever after in Greek mythology.  *sigh*  I would kill for a story like that for Lavellan.  I mean we've already gone into the Fade twice ... what's another trip to the underworld for her if it's for true love? 

 

All I'm saying is that there are some freaking parallels between them and I want a happy ending ... dammit.

 

I would write up all of the similarities, but then you guys would know that I've given this considerable thought. ... I'm not crazy.

 

 

[herkles]

Oh gods, oh gods no. This looks lovely, but unfortunately I am a mythology nerd and know what happens to Hercules and Megara after the end of the movie.

DO NOT ASK FOR THAT!!!!!!!!!

As someone who does worship the Greek Deities, I kind of agree. I don't care much for the Disney Hercules movie. Of course Pop-culture view of my gods and goddesses I dislike as well, as they tend to have different view of them then I do, but to each his/her own.

 

I don't think that will ever work. From what I saw, the elves turn out to be as power hungry, if not more then humans when they are placed in positions of power. Arlathan was destroyed by infighting, while the Dales was destroyed when they started an war with Orlais. I'm not sure if an elven empire will ever work. At best, people in the DA series should try to improve human and elf relations to allow more equality between races. It would certanly takes years. But I think it would work better on the long run. If you make Leliana divine, she already takes an step in that direction by allowing elves to become priests.

The dwarves have their own kingdom and are able to work with humanity. Should the dwarves give up their kingdom, culture, religion, and identity and become fully integrated into human society? Why can't the elves do the same as the dwarves, have their own kingdom but also have relations with the human kingdom? also people in power tend to be jerks, it is just the nature of being in power.

 

 

I know this it out of left field but I just really want Lavellan to carve her own history and Fen'Harel is just a side detail of that. I want a "new" Elvehn empire to be made, learning from past mistakes. 

 

The whole problem with what Solas was doing was trying to recover the past, a past that was filled with problems. 

 

agreed, that is kind of what my Lavellan would like to do, not really as a leader, but more as a teacher and guide. The haren of a new elven kingdom. I also think that Arlathan is the best choice of a location as it is more defensible then the dales, more important to the elves, plus we are going north so more of a chance to encounter it.

[Roxy]

You could always point out how rough the romances aimed towards straight women often are compared to men are and ask them to consider what the people in this thread are saying about the matter: http://forum.bioware...sible-spoilers/

 

I think I will tweet that link to them...I didn't know Brass_Buckles made a thread on that subject thank you.  

[Commander of the Grey]

Maybe it's my own undying optimism but I refuse to believe that they simply added his romance as an extra just because "Let's give them a thousand year old ancient elf 'god', they'll get a kick out of it." (Bless them if that was the only reason though. That was sweet in a heartbreaking way.) all those extra animations and VO work just to slide a bittersweet knife into our hearts? Plus the rumor of story reasons for him only being available to female Lavellan's.

My hope is that they had extra time and resources and saw the potential to carry it on. Us ladies were already with a higher number of romance options (unless I'm mistaken). It just screams purpose to me. But I'm also a hopeless romantic and all of my past romances have had amazing endings that I'm more than happy with. Maybe it's the lack of heartbreak blinding me. Maybe I'll be crushed in the future and forced to lock myself in a candlelit room to write happy ending fanfics and gorge on chocolate for the rest of my days.

I won't give up hope until the bad news is staring me in the face though. That said I don't regret one moment of the romance, even if I cried like a baby when he walked away. It's the most beautiful, heartfelt thing I've ever seen.

I'm keeping my firstborn on standby just in case an offering needs to be made. She's really good at cleaning so long as she can take a Pokemon break. She even patted me on the back and told me it would be okay when Solas left.

[Patchwork]

Yes, yes he did.  Psyche and Eros/Cupid.  Pretty much the only happily ever after in Greek mythology.  *sigh*  I would kill for a story like that for Lavellan.  I mean we've already gone into the Fade twice ... what's another trip to the underworld for her if it's for true love? 

 

All I'm saying is that there are some freaking parallels between them and I want a happy ending ... dammit.

 

I would write up all of the similarities, but then you guys would know that I've given this considerable thought. ... I'm not crazy.

 

Kidnapping aside Hades/Persephone are my favourite Greek god couple, I love that in the end she becomes a goddess of life and death.

[Jaison1986]

 

The dwarves have their own kingdom and are able to work with humanity. Should the dwarves give up their kingdom, culture, religion, and identity and become fully integrated into human society? Why can't the elves do the same as the dwarves, have their own kingdom but also have relations with the human kingdom? also people in power tend to be jerks, it is just the nature of being in power.

 

 

Well, you also have to consider history. The dwarfs and humans aways held decent relations since both races met each other. While humans and elves in the other hands have been marked with slavery, war and segregation from day one. It's more about the fact that the humans likely wouldn't tolerate elves starting their own empire. Not to mention the dwarven empires are underground. So the fact each race lives in completely different places helps when it comes to two different cultures coexisting.

[Yaslana]

Yes, yes he did.  Psyche and Eros/Cupid.  Pretty much the only happily ever after in Greek mythology.  *sigh*  I would kill for a story like that for Lavellan.  I mean we've already gone into the Fade twice ... what's another trip to the underworld for her if it's for true love? 
 
All I'm saying is that there are some freaking parallels between them and I want a happy ending ... dammit.
 
I would write up all of the similarities, but then you guys would know that I've given this considerable thought. ... I'm not crazy.

I think we all would love to hear your thoughts!

And now I can totally imagine it. A trip into the fade to safe Solas from something (Aspect of nightmare?). Because Quizzi is so bamf, she would kick everybody's ass (including Solas) to keep her friend/LI safe.

And a Quizzi who doesn't like Solas can choose to leave him there. But how one can not like this nerd is beyond me.

[DarthEmpress]

There has to be more to the Solas/Lavellan relationship.  I agree with others that they wouldn't just decide to throw the romance in at the last minute for giggles.

 

Well...hopefully not

 

Regardless, theirs has to be the most unique, interesting, and emotionally impactful relationship I've witnessed in a Bioware game, especially for female characters.

[Sashimi_taco]

I think I will tweet that link to them...I didn't know Brass_Buckles made a thread on that subject thank you.  

 

Men usually respond to rejection very poorly. I think that might be why. 

[Cheerios789]

I think we all would love to hear your thoughts!

And now I can totally imagine it. A trip into the fade to safe Solas from something (Aspect of nightmare?). Because Quizzi is so bamf, she would kick everybody's ass (including Solas) to keep her friend/LI safe.

And a Quizzi who doesn't like Solas can choose to leave him there. But how one can not like this nerd is beyond me.

 

Alright I'll try to make this as short as possible. 

 

1.  Psyche drew Cupid's attention away from his business even before she met him.  Venus had sent him to kill her, but he couldn't.

     -- Kind of like Lavellan drawing Solas' attention from the Fade.

 

2.  Psyche did not know who Cupid was, but she fell in love with him anyways.  *They did it in the dark*

 

3.  Psyche was convinced that Cupid was actually a terrifying monster.

     -- cough Fen'harel cough

 

4.  When pressed she decided to take matters into her own hands and see if he really was a monster.  If so she was prepared to kill him.

     -- Again I feel like Lavellan would do similiarly.  She's a brazen lady and isn't going to take any sh*t from Fen'harel.

 

After this we deviate slighty, but it's important to note that the story of Cupid and Psyche have heavy heavy overtones of marriage and death.  She is put through many trials and she gets through them by being damnably likable.  She does make a trip to the underworld and travels the world searching for answers.  Btw that underworld feat is no joke considering all of the hype the other heroes go through when they do it. 

 

Her greatest flaw is curiosity.  And I would argue that any Lavellan who romances Solas would have the same flaw, since that's what he loves most.  There is much more I could say and I would love to write up a paper on this.  Oh dear my Classical Studies are showing.  Anyways, I find Psyche to be a very interesting figure.  I mean she's no Antigone, but she's pretty cool.

[LliiraAnna]

There has to be more to the Solas/Lavellan relationship.  I agree with others that they wouldn't just decide to throw the romance in at the last minute for giggles.

 

Well...hopefully not

 

Regardless, theirs has to be the most unique, interesting, and emotionally impactful relationship I've witnessed in a Bioware game, especially for female characters.

That. I don't want to think that the devs will waste time and effort and resources on a pointless romance that does not even have a proper closure. I mean, come on, both Solas and Lav are still alive and still have feelings for each other. They cannot just leave it hanging in the air. I also hope they do understand that we would welcome a happy - or at least not completely doom and gloom - ending at least once in a while. 

[Shari'El]

In The Masked Empire Felassan tells Briala a story called Fen'Harel and the Tree. He was hunting halla, Andruil got mad, she tied him up and decided to make him her sex slave for a year and a day. He got out of it when he tricked her and Anaris into battle and chewed his way free.

 

Ahhhhhh... I see... Haven't read that book yet, ordered it yesterday.

 

Hawkward.

 

And wonderful.

 

And a bit disturbing.

 

Edit:

 

 

 

No that really "happened". It's a part of the fen'harel lore. He was hunting her Halla and she got mad and tied him to a tree and said he had to make love to her for a year and a day. I'm not a supporter of that kind of thing so my automatic reaction was I hated Andruil. 

 

Fen'Harel and the tree 

 

 

"In the story, Fen'Harel was captured by the hunting goddess, Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the halla without her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back. But as she made camp that night, the dark god Anaris found them, and Anaris swore that he would kill Fen'Harel for crimes against the Forgotten Ones. Andruil and Anaris decided that they would duel for the right to claim Fen'Harel.

 

He called out to Anaris during the fight and told him of a flaw in Andruil's armor just above the hip, and Anaris stabbed Andruil in the side, and she fell. Then Fen'Harel told Anaris that he owed the Dread Wolf for the victory and ought to get his freedom. Anaris was so affronted by Fen'Harel's audacity that he turned and shouted insults at the prisoner, and so he did not see Andruil, injured but alive, rise behind him and attack with her great bow. Anaris fell with a golden arrow in his back, badly injured, and while both gods slumbered to heal their wounds, Fen'Harel chewed through his ropes and escaped."

 

 

http://dragonage.wik.../wiki/Fen'Harel

 

 

/Cough

 

Well.

Ahem.

 

That makes me sort of hate her.

[Sashimi_taco]

Ahhhhhh... I see... Haven't read that book yet, ordered it yesterday.

 

Hawkward.

 

And wonderful.

 

And a bit disturbing.

 

That story made me really hate Andruil. Not because I was jealous or anything. It just was a really messed up thing to demand and the story itself kinda blows over that she's an attempted rapist. It's one of the many reasons that I think the old gods should never come back. 

[Missy_MI]

Okay, let me think. I had originally rolled a human, but only made it an hour or so in before rerolling as an elf. I think I had planned on romancing Ironbull, but didn't end up finding him very appealing after getting to know him. Solas snuck up on me with his charming lilt and wisdom. And then it just kept building and building, and now here I am a month later still obsessed.

 

Similar experience for me. I started with dwarf rogue, but after the fade dream "Wake up!" sequence, I re-rolled an elf mage for the Solas romance and never looked back. Um, it's slightly embarrassing to admit actually.   I wonder how many of us abandoned our original characters for the Fadewalker?

 

Regarding future DLC content, I'm torn. Like many of you, I'm somewhat hopefully because the break up scene seems to lock in the romance, so much so that attempting to start a new romance with another character afterward is gently rebuffed. Maybe that's a bug, but I find it oddly comforting.

 

However, I'm more concerned for practical reasons. The epilogue makes it obvious there are plans for Solas and adding any significant extra content for the small number of players who romanced him may be considered too expensive and time consuming. My worst fear for future content isn't being forced to fight Solas or even tragic consequences to their relationship. I dread a single heart dialog option that is answered with the Well of Sorrows response: "No. Do not ask me again."

[BubbleDncr]

Tweet anything you like. It's your voice, if you want to make it heard. 

 

I myself don't think I agree there was a breakup, in my understanding of the word. A breakup is when one of the pair decides they don't want to be together, falls out of love, leaves, then finds someone else. In my game, neither seemed to stop caring, and neither is going to find someone else(at least, I can't imagine Solas making out with some Tevinter girl in Dragon Age 5). They're just in different places. So, not a breakup.

 

Yea if it were a real breakup, I'd be allowed to start another relationship. But I can't. So either there's more to it, or Solas somehow doomed her to be forever alone. 

[Sashimi_taco]

Yea if it were a real breakup, I'd be allowed to start another relationship. But I can't. So either there's more to it, or Solas somehow doomed her to be forever alone. 

 

Once you go wolf, you never go stop going woof. 

 

 

[that was the best i could do i'm sorry]

[herkles]

Well, you also have to consider history. The dwarfs and humans aways held decent relations since both races met each other. While humans and elves in the other hands have been marked with slavery, war and segregation from day one. It's more about the fact that the humans likely wouldn't tolerate elves starting their own empire. Not to mention the dwarven empires are underground. So the fact each race lives in completely different places helps when it comes to two different cultures coexisting.

so basically elves: stop having your own religion, culture, identity and so on? Because the elves can't do anything and more importantly they just should not try to create a better life, they should not try to take over Arlathan from Tevinter and carve out a new kingdom

[vierrae]

I'm fixing to tweet to a few people(Mark Darrah,Patrick weekes and Aaryn Flynn) at BW about the break up.

 

"Solas fans need a Happy ending/closure,hope it happens we're not taking this brk up happily."

 

Think that's a little too much? XD

 

If ya'll got something better to tweet to them tell me. Our voice needs to be heard. 

As much as I want to think, that devs and writers do mind fandom's opinion, I cannot help but remember the whole fuss about ME3 ending and cries about Thane's fate even before that. So much for our desires...

[Shari'El]

I'm struggling to find a good change Fen'Harel could bring, suddenly tearing down the Veil and forcing people to live alongside Fade creatures has disaster written all over it. Even if they're weak power wise the Creators are not going to react well to world that treats them like...well elves. Creating an elven kingdom is better than the other two choices but he's so definite in his ideas that he'd be a terrible leader for modern elves.

 

After DAI I really want Wolf Hunt to give something good to the elves but I half convinced guilt is going to drive Solas to do something world ending and as the hero we have to stop him. 

 

I don't think we can stop him.

Sandal's prophecy seems to say to me that it will happen, not matter what.

I think Quizzy will be left to deal with the consequences more than stop Solas from doing what he plans to do.

[LliiraAnna]

Similar experience for me. I started with dwarf rogue, but after the fade dream "Wake up!" sequence, I re-rolled an elf mage for the Solas romance and never looked back. Um, it's slightly embarrassing to admit actually.   I wonder how many of us abandoned our original characters for the Fadewalker?

 

Regarding future DLC content, I'm torn. Like many of you, I'm somewhat hopefully because the break up scene seems to lock in the romance, so much so that attempting to start a new romance with another character afterward is gently rebuffed. Maybe that's a bug, but I find it oddly comforting.

 

However, I'm more concerned for practical reasons. The epilogue makes it obvious there are plans for Solas and adding any significant extra content for the small number of players who romanced him may be considered too expensive and time consuming. My worst fear for future content isn't being forced to fight Solas or even tragic consequences to their relationship. I dread a single heart dialog option that is answered with the Well of Sorrows response: "No. Do not ask me again."

Yeah, I've written about it in an earlier post. However, if we look at it in the context of DAI - we get the achievement only after the break-up, we cannot start a new romance afterwards, etc. - it seems to me that there is going to be at least SOME content for ppl who romanced Solas, even if it's just a bunch of dialogue options or a small scene. Otherwise, why not let us move on and romance someone else? 

...well, that's what I'm hoping for, anyway. After all, it has already happened before with Morrigan. 

[Sashimi_taco]

I kinda hope the elves eventually do start a new kingdom. If I recall correctly, the Dales still do belong to the Dalish. They don't build a new city out of fear of being massacred again. The inquisition could give the elves the political weight to stop others from attacking them. Unlike in the past where they were secretive, the Inquisition could give them political power and start trade routes. People feared the last major Elvehn city because they didn't want to communicate, that can be something they can avoid this time.

 

 

If they made the new kingdom like how we have Israel now (excluding a lot of details of how it went wrong/is going wrong) and had all elves automatically invited as a citizen, that could really help build it. And ALL Elvehn, not just Dalish. The sheer numbers along with the political backing of the inquisition could make them a power that could defend themselves eventually. And supposed you put Briala in a position of power in Orlais and the political reach would go even further.

 

I can see a budding elvehn city state working quite well if all those things happened. With the addition of Solas aiding in recovering old magics (without being weird about it trying to weaponize the place or something). 

[Kittn]

I'm fixing to tweet to a few people(Mark Darrah,Patrick weekes and Aaryn Flynn) at BW about the break up.
 
"Solas fans need a Happy ending/closure,hope it happens we're not taking this brk up happily."
 
Think that's a little too much? XD
 
If ya'll got something better to tweet to them tell me. Our voice needs to be heard. 

 
I dusted off my old neglected twitter just to tweet at him. I have attempted wit and failed. Senpai Weekes has not noticed me yet. :C
 
But I'll happily follow and tweet at any other Solas-smitten in the twitterverse. I'm @fullmetalkittn. And I am so very lonely there..
 
 

Maybe it's my own undying optimism but I refuse to believe that they simply added his romance as an extra just because "Let's give them a thousand year old ancient elf 'god', they'll get a kick out of it." (Bless them if that was the only reason though. That was sweet in a heartbreaking way.) all those extra animations and VO work just to slide a bittersweet knife into our hearts? Plus the rumor of story reasons for him only being available to female Lavellan's...

As has been pointed out before, there is the fact that we only get locked in to the Romance after Solas leaves us and that's also when his card changes. That does give me some hope that its a sign of greater things to come for our heartsick Lavellan, who were left standing on their victory balconies all by their cold and lonesomes.

That hope is very tiny however. Microscopic, even. Bioware absolutely should not pay it any mind.

(It is in their job description to crush such hopes, yes? Like puny little birds venturing too close to Shale.)