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[Jaison1986]

so basically elves: stop having your own religion, culture, identity and so on? Because the elves can't do anything and more importantly they just should not try to create a better life, they should not try to take over Arlathan from Tevinter and carve out a new kingdom

 

I'm not saying it's fair. I'm saying how it is. They can certanly try to start their own nation. I just don't see it ending well for them. I mean, if you make Gaspard Briala's pupet, she makes an lot of drastic changes that might risk civil war with the elves and the humans. If that alone causes a lot of outrage, what exactly would happen if elves everywere started making their own kingdom somewere?

[Cheerios789]

so basically elves: stop having your own religion, culture, identity and so on? Because the elves can't do anything and more importantly they just should not try to create a better life, they should not try to take over Arlathan from Tevinter and carve out a new kingdom

 

I think the point Jaison is trying to make is that it's easier for the Dwarves to maintain their heritage as they are separate from the humans.  Although we know from DAO that it is a problem for them as well.

 

The position the elves are in is a crap one.  The best they could hope for is a gift of land and mutual respect from the humans, but that is never going to happen.  I feel like there is not an equitable solution for them.  Yes, they should maintain their heritage and more importantly their identity and race, but that is going to ultimately fail.  Because they are not sustainable.  Their numbers are going to continue to diminish as they stay in contact with humans. 

 

There is no answer right now.  Even if they manage to take over some country or region and stake their claim ... eventually the other races are going to get antsy.  Then we'll have another Dales incident and their numbers might entirely extinguish this time.

 

Now all of this Elvhen had slaves and destroyed themselves talk I find completely moot.  Every single race has slaves and every single race has come to some extinction point in the past.  The past is important and it matters, but it should not be used as a shield.  What matters is the current state of things and that is grim. 

 

Something big needs to happen and that's what Solas is working on ... I think.

 

The best, and possibly worst, solution would have to start with elves regaining their sustainability.  They need to be able to accept new blood without forfeiting their identity.  There just really are not enough of them to rebuild an empire.  Especially considering how many clans and alienages we have seen purged in the past decade or so.

[Mims]

I would love to see all three bands of elves come together to try and salvage what is left of their empire. But it'll take some pretty huge moves forward for all of them- ancient elves will need to stop looking down on the Dalish, the Dalish will need to stop looking down upon the city elves. The city elves would need to be willing to learn how to live outside of the alienage. 

 

But there could be a future. I don't think it could happen without one of the groups though. The ancient elves have the power to back the 'new' empire in terms of magic, but lack numbers. And possibly don't have enough members to be genetically viable. The dalish are experienced fighters, but have failed repeatedly at diplomacy with the humans. City elves are the most impoverished and detached from their culture, but they are also the group most capable of dealing with the outside world. 

 

We just need some leadership. 

[Shari'El]

I'm keeping my firstborn on standby just in case an offering needs to be made. She's really good at cleaning so long as she can take a Pokemon break. She even patted me on the back and told me it would be okay when Solas left.

 

So.

Effing'.

Sweet.

 

Ugh!!!

[Commander of the Grey]

So.
Effing'.
Sweet.

Ugh!!!

Don't be fooled. It was a momentary lapse for her. She's really quite evil. Running around with Solas in the party after and she ran him straight into deep water.

Still sweet in a vindictive kind of way. As a mom thinking of her future boyfriends, I sort of approved. Mentally, of course, while telling her that wasn't nice and it's important to try and understand people's motivations, all while setting a pack of wolves on fire.

There are too many wolves on the Exalted Plains. >.>

[Roxy]

 
I dusted off my old neglected twitter just to tweet at him. I have attempted wit and failed. Senpai Weekes has not noticed me yet. :C
 
But I'll happily follow and tweet at any other Solas-smitten in the twitterverse. I'm @fullmetalkittn. And I am so very lonely there..
 
 
 

I don't go on twitter much but I think tweeting them about this needs to be done. I'm following you btw...that sounded so stalkish sorry bout that. 

[Shari'El]

Similar experience for me. I started with dwarf rogue, but after the fade dream "Wake up!" sequence, I re-rolled an elf mage for the Solas romance and never looked back. Um, it's slightly embarrassing to admit actually.   I wonder how many of us abandoned our original characters for the Fadewalker?

 

Regarding future DLC content, I'm torn. Like many of you, I'm somewhat hopefully because the break up scene seems to lock in the romance, so much so that attempting to start a new romance with another character afterward is gently rebuffed. Maybe that's a bug, but I find it oddly comforting.

 

However, I'm more concerned for practical reasons. The epilogue makes it obvious there are plans for Solas and adding any significant extra content for the small number of players who romanced him may be considered too expensive and time consuming. My worst fear for future content isn't being forced to fight Solas or even tragic consequences to their relationship. I dread a single heart dialog option that is answered with the Well of Sorrows response: "No. Do not ask me again."

 

I rolled a dwarf rogue as well in the beginning, and I played her through the end, but I took Solas EVERYWHERE.

His banters, the scene after Haven, the Fade dream.. All made me really want to make a female Dalish for him, but I decided to be patient and finish my first PT. It was really hard, at some point I gave him a theme music ("I'm bringing sexy back...") and sang it when I was with him, he drove me insane. Everytime he was in a cutscene I was like "WHY AM I A DWARF I WANT TO BE AN ELF".

When he left I was heartbroken (I seriously went to all my companions in the feast afterwards and wasn't interested in what they had to say, my LI was Blackwall [IMHO, super disappointing, my dwarf was with him but I was all over Solas >_>] and I wasn't interested at all in the cutscene with him), after the stringer I was confused, screamed "AHHHHHHHHHHHHH" (made my bf worried) and I rolled an elf IMMEDIATELY after Skyhold got reloaded.

[zambixi]

I think the point Jaison is trying to make is that it's easier for the Dwarves to maintain their heritage as they are separate from the humans.  Although we know from DAO that it is a problem for them as well.

 

The position the elves are in is a crap one.  The best they could hope for is a gift of land and mutual respect from the humans, but that is never going to happen.  I feel like there is not an equitable solution for them.  Yes, they should maintain their heritage and more importantly their identity and race, but that is going to ultimately fail.  Because they are not sustainable.  Their numbers are going to continue to diminish as they stay in contact with humans. 

 

There is no answer right now.  Even if they manage to take over some country or region and stake their claim ... eventually the other races are going to get antsy.  Then we'll have another Dales incident and their numbers might entirely extinguish this time.

 

Now all of this Elvhen had slaves and destroyed themselves talk I find completely moot.  Every single race has slaves and every single race has come to some extinction point in the past.  The past is important and it matters, but it should not be used as a shield.  What matters is the current state of things and that is grim. 

 

Something big needs to happen and that's what Solas is working on ... I think.

 

The best, and possibly worst, solution would have to start with elves regaining their sustainability.  They need to be able to accept new blood without forfeiting their identity.  There just really are not enough of them to rebuild an empire.  Especially considering how many clans and alienages we have seen purged in the past decade or so.

 

I don't think accepting new blood is really "regaining sustainability". That's just integration, which will necessarily lead to a loss of culture because elf-blooded humans are likely going to identify as humans. First, because they are actually human in almost every sense of the word; and second, because why would you identify with the more disadvantaged group? Why would you put yourself in the position to be discriminated against? Very few people would make that choice. Very few people would keep the elven traditions - such as they are - and the culture would die out. I think that's the trajectory that the elves are on and I think that's part of why Solas is so alarmed.

 

Now...I think they do have enough people to build an empire, they are just scattered. There are so many elven slaves in Tevinter that abolishing slavery would collapse the country's economy. In TME I think Briala mentions there are enough elves in the alienages across Orlais that a rebellion could easily succeed with the right leadership. We don't really have any idea how many Dalish exist, but presumably there are enough that they haven't died out despite the fact that they only meet up once every decade or so. The problem is more that they are not unified and lack leadership. A single, simultaneous uprising of the elves - were such a thing possible - would absolutely cripple humans. Since the major human organizations are weak at the moment, and even Tevinter seems to be having problems they could succeed. They won't, because the only way to organize such an uprising would be through use of the Eluvians (which no one but Briala knows about), several leaders working in tandem, and almost perfect coordination, PLUS nothing else major could happen (e.g. a Blight) to disrupt the plans, and the Qunari would have to stay out of things. But...if everything went perfectly, I think they have the numbers at least.

[Shari'El]

Yea if it were a real breakup, I'd be allowed to start another relationship. But I can't. So either there's more to it, or Solas somehow doomed her to be forever alone. 

 

/cough

 

[Commander of the Grey]

@Kittn: yes! The romance lock. For a long time I told myself it's because you get three chances to end things and by golly if you didn't take them then you must be committed. It is kind of cruel to do. Then again, if it hadn't locked us in and some of our Lavellan's went to romance someone else and they do plan to continue it in some way, well, those of us who moved on would be freaking out to have that playthrough ruined. I'm clinging to that being the reason with all of my being.

[Shari'El]

If they made the new kingdom like how we have Israel now (excluding a lot of details of how it went wrong/is going wrong) and had all elves automatically invited as a citizen, that could really help build it. And ALL Elvehn, not just Dalish. The sheer numbers along with the political backing of the inquisition could make them a power that could defend themselves eventually. And supposed you put Briala in a position of power in Orlais and the political reach would go even further.

 

-Secretly amused-

[Uirebhiril]

yeah i agree. like i understand that some people might be wanting a tragic ending or bittersweet ending because, yknow, "realism" or whatever (i honestly dont know why ppl demand realism in a game with DRAGONS, ANCIENT ELVES and MAGIC) but i love happy endings. i friggin love cheesy good romantic happy endings and i think that if we pay f*ck-knows-how-much money on a game and additional dlc then by god we deserve to get that cheesy good romantic happy endin with solas.

 

i think that if bioware can pull off lost societies, ancient magical lore, ****-tons of foreshadowing, and multiple wide expansive and diverse areas then they can pull off an unlikely romance ending.

 

I think people get this confused a lot. Yes, it's a fantasy setting with dragons and magic, but you still need to feel connected to the world and the characters. If there are not enough "real" and believable elements for people to relate to, they will swiftly lose interest or feel too lost to care about the setting, and are not likely to "bond" with the characters in a way that will make them care what happens to them. At that point the story fails.

 

It's going to be the same with a story-driven video game. We need to relate to our companions and have enough basis of reality in place for it to make sense to our player's mind. Having a story go along with no tension and drama is going to be boring. If there is no chance to experience heartbreak, trauma, happiness, satisfaction, or anger through the game, then what's the point? The story SHOULD make us feel all these things and more. What it shouldn't do is leave the player feeling frustrated. Or, in some cases, anxious over how things will resolve. My anxiety is over the possibility of things not resolving at all, which is fair for any story that one expects a followup to. Anything can happen. We just need to wait and see.

[Mims]

I do find it hilarious you can't break up with him once he breaks up with you. I feel fairly assured it is because of DLC or to make references to the relationship easier in the future, rather than having to deal with a Lavellan who potentially moved on.

 

But from a narrative perspective, perhaps the other romance characters assume Lavellan/Solas are just arguing rather than really broken up? I doubt he'd try to sabotage her from going off with someone else. Unless maybe he's unconsciously glaring at [insert romantic rival]. 

[Cheerios789]

I don't think accepting new blood is really "regaining sustainability". That's just integration, which will necessarily lead to a loss of culture because elf-blooded humans are likely going to identify as humans. First, because they are actually human in almost every sense of the word; and second, because why would you identify with the more disadvantaged group? Why would you put yourself in the position to be discriminated against? Very few people would make that choice. Very few people would keep the elven traditions - such as they are - and the culture would die out. I think that's the trajectory that the elves are on and I think that's part of why Solas is so alarmed.

 

Now...I think they do have enough people to build an empire, they are just scattered. There are so many elven slaves in Tevinter that abolishing slavery would collapse the country's economy. In TME I think Briala mentions there are enough elves in the alienages across Orlais that a rebellion could easily succeed with the right leadership. We don't really have any idea how many Dalish exist, but presumably there are enough that they haven't died out despite the fact that they only meet up once every decade or so. The problem is more that they are not unified and lack leadership. A single, simultaneous uprising of the elves - were such a thing possible - would absolutely cripple humans. Since the major human organizations are weak at the moment, and even Tevinter seems to be having problems they could succeed. They won't, because the only way to organize such an uprising would be through use of the Eluvians (which no one but Briala knows about), several leaders working in tandem, and almost perfect coordination, PLUS nothing else major could happen (e.g. a Blight) to disrupt the plans, and the Qunari would have to stay out of things. But...if everything went perfectly, I think they have the numbers at least.

 

I wasn't suggesting that they need to integrate.  I was saying that there is a problem that elf+human = human.

 

Anyways, sheer numbers is not an empire.  You need nobles and academics and thinkers to build an empire.  You also need craftsmen and artisans and specialists.  Slaves are not going to help with that.  I know this sounds mean, but they are dead weight.  They will have no idea how to govern themselves and end up making the same mistakes as the Dales.  We can't look to the Dalish for leaders either, because the largest clans are only a few hundred strong.  That's like asking the loval district representative to be the President.  They might be a wise leader, but they'll have no experience.  This is not even talking about a military.  Which they would absolutely have to have.  I guess we could make Fenris do it, but damn they have little to no soldiers.  (lol the mental image of a grumpy Fenris trying to teach elves is hilarious)

 

I guess what I'm saying is that leadership alone is not going to save them.  They will absolutely need to heavily lean on human aid, at least in the beginning.  And then where is their autonomy? 

 

Which cycles me back to the previous argument that they need to fix the elf+human=human issue.  Because if they are relying on humans, then they are going to boink them too.  It's inevitable and that will only further the entropy of their identity.

[Sashimi_taco]

-Secretly amused-

 

I am purposely ignoring the major flaw in comparing it to Israel in this current time.

[AryBoBary]

I find the romance lock to be a bit of a "sign" as well.  I replayed the final romance scene with Solas SEVERAL times (mostly because I was grasping at there being a less gut-wrenching ending), but I found if I "broke it off" with him, he says something like "You continue to surprise me..." and then walks off, and my Levellan is free to pursue other romance options.  (For kicks and giggles I went and face-smashed with Cullen, then when I felt satisfied, reloaded my previous save so I could have my heart stomped on.)

 

There has to be more, no... there WILL be more regarding our beloved Dread Wolf.  I believe he's integral to the story.  Plus... I love him.  Like a lot... *twitch*

 

Time to make some badly written fanfic and fanart. 

[NightSymphony]

Soo....I'm watching the Iron Bull romance on YouTube with a female Lavellan...  How she doesn't end up with broken bones is beyond me. She's a friggin' twig compared to him.  Anyway..I was just thinking how nice he looks in that uniform when you take him to the Ball. He looks a lot better with clothes on..IMO.  I will never romance him.... I was just curious. Solas has my heart.

[Jaderail]

What do you guys think might happen if Solas is the antagonist or a key player in DA4? Do you think they'd still continue his romance in a DLC, a bit like Morrigan's witch hunt, only for him to leave in the end anyway? 

[Rabbitonfire]

My "Softer Solas" texture replacement mod is up with anyone is interested. They're small changes to Solas' face. 

 

[AryBoBary]

Soo....I'm watching the Iron Bull romance on YouTube with a female Lavellan...  How she doesn't end up with broken bones is beyond me. She's a friggin' twig compared to him.  Anyway..I was just thinking how nice he looks in that uniform when you take him to the Ball. He looks a lot better with clothes on..IMO.  I will never romance him.... I was just curious. Solas has my heart.

 

I would imagine there is an art form involved.  A fine balance of gentle maneuvering and the inevitable (and wanted) rough handling.    Besides, I'm sure Levellan is left to limp away to place her elfy bottom on a bag of ice for a few days.  Oh god.... Sera would have a field day if she walked in on a bruised and battered, very satisfied,  Inquisitor.

[scintilla]

What do you guys think might happen if Solas is the antagonist or a key player in DA4? Do you think they'd still continue his romance in a DLC, a bit like Morrigan's witch hunt, only for him to leave in the end anyway? 

 

If he's an antagonist in DA4 (or even DA5), no. There might be some closure to the relationship but I don't think they'd give the option to continue the romance if he's going to be an enemy. If he's going to be more like Morrigan or Flemeth, it's more likely. Morrigan, Alistair, and Leliana all mention the HoF even though they're separated, so I could see that happening if he isn't an antagonist. 

[Sashimi_taco]

If he's an antagonist in DA4 (or even DA5), no. There might be some closure to the relationship but I don't think they'd give the option to continue the romance if he's going to be an enemy. If he's going to be more like Morrigan or Flemeth, it's more likely. Morrigan, Alistair, and Leliana all mention the HoF even though they're separated, so I could see that happening if he isn't an antagonist. 

 

Give me the option to be his evil god queen. I'll take it. 

 

Evil god or powerless mortal. I'll take it. Just give me back Solas. 

 

I'll live our days in some hut dreaming away and exploring. Whatever. 

[Cheerios789]

Give me the option to be his evil god queen. I'll take it. 

 

Evil god or powerless mortal. I'll take it. Just give me back Solas. 

 

I'll live our days in some hut dreaming away and exploring. Whatever. 

 

I've said it before.  I will hold his hand and become Queen of the ashes for him.  If it makes me a horrible person ... so be it.

 

I mean probably not all my PTs, but my canon one would do it. 

[Abyss108]

I'm sure we'll get some extra romance content in DLC. He definitely implies she'll find out more in the future about him or what he's going to do. I'm just worried it's going to be the end of the relationship when she finds out. Either because they don't give us a choice to reconcile, or because Solas will die. I can't imagine the released Gods are going to be happy with him...

 

My current prediction is that the last DLC will be tracking down Solas. You'll get the choice to try and stop him or possibly to agree with him (wouldn't a Dalish WANT their Gods to be free?). If you agree with him, he'll still leave, because the other Gods are going to want him dead and he doesn't want you in danger. Either way, you'll track him down as he's about to release them, but arrive too late. The Gods turn on all of you, cue epic battle. You have the choice of defending Solas or not. In the end, you somehow escape (with or without Solas). The Gods now know about you, and they don't like you because you have their power (the anchor), so you have to go into hiding, and Solas will give you option to leave with him. Or possibly to somehow remove the anchor so the Gods can't track you. Then, with the inquisitor having lost their power/out of the way, we get a new protagonist for DA4.

 

Or possibly Solas will just die at the hand of the other Gods, and we'll get nothing...

[zambixi]

What do you guys think might happen if Solas is the antagonist or a key player in DA4? Do you think they'd still continue his romance in a DLC, a bit like Morrigan's witch hunt, only for him to leave in the end anyway? 

 

Are you talking about being an antagonist/key player in DA4 to the same extent as Morrigan is in DAI? Or Hawke? If he's a straight antagonist, then I think we will see a very definite end to the romance in future DLC, either because the Inquisitor dies or because Solas makes it more clear that the relationship is 100% finished. Unless by some fluke the Inquisitor is going to be the protagonist for DA4, I can't imagine why they would continue the romance while we don't have any agency over it if Solas is going to do Bad things. It would just be frustrating to have to believe that the Inquisitor is either OK with what he is doing or unaware of it, when neither would really be likely for the majority of players. Unless you're 100% aware of his plans and actions before relinquishing Quizzie control which is not going to happen.

 

Now if he's just a key player, or in the land of Flemythal moral ambiguity, then I can see the romance continuing in the same way it's continued for Hawke and Morrigan - through a mention in some dialogue. Again, unless by some fluke the Inquisitor is going to be the PC in DA4, but I think BW will come up with some way for them to be temporarily out of the picture. I'd sort of prefer it if Solas' arc is mostly wrapped up in DLC, and then he re-appears in DA5 after getting to spend a little time with Quizzie (like Morrigan does).