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[BoscoBread]

Are you talking about being an antagonist/key player in DA4 to the same extent as Morrigan is in DAI? Or Hawke? If he's a straight antagonist, then I think we will see a very definite end to the romance in future DLC, either because the Inquisitor dies or because Solas makes it more clear that the relationship is 100% finished. Unless by some fluke the Inquisitor is going to be the protagonist for DA4, I can't imagine why they would continue the romance while we don't have any agency over it if Solas is going to do Bad things. It would just be frustrating to have to believe that the Inquisitor is either OK with what he is doing or unaware of it, when neither would really be likely for the majority of players. Unless you're 100% aware of his plans and actions before relinquishing Quizzie control which is not going to happen.
 
Now if he's just a key player, or in the land of Flemythal moral ambiguity, then I can see the romance continuing in the same way it's continued for Hawke and Morrigan - through a mention in some dialogue. Again, unless by some fluke the Inquisitor is going to be the PC in DA4, but I think BW will come up with some way for them to be temporarily out of the picture. I'd sort of prefer it if Solas' arc is mostly wrapped up in DLC, and then he re-appears in DA5 after getting to spend a little time with Quizzie (like Morrigan does).

I'd have to agree on the dlc. Dragon age stories have always been pretty self contained in the main game or dlc. I anticipate it being wrapped similarly. The outcome will shape the politics and world of Thedas that the new protagonist in da4 would deal with.

[herkles]

What do you guys think might happen if Solas is the antagonist or a key player in DA4? Do you think they'd still continue his romance in a DLC, a bit like Morrigan's witch hunt, only for him to leave in the end anyway? 

well if lavellan becomes an antagonist as well, that is fine. But I don't picture him being the Big Bad, more like Flemeth then anything else.

 

As for the elven kingdom, which I support. Just because it isn't likely doesn't mean they couldn't try and strive for it. Plus it would open up for lots of new stories as you have city and dalish elves living together, different clans, andrastism and the elven religion, plus how they might regard magic and governemnt. Plenty of interesting stories can come out of a reborn elven kingdom.

 

I just find it annoying that the only opition for the elves that people say is "give up and stop trying to have your own culture and faith"

[zambixi]

So, not directly Solas related but I thought ya'll would find this interesting:

 

Spoiler

Because you needed more evidence that everything is connected.... The quest names come from the Chant of Light:

 

        Those who oppose thee
        Shall know the wrath of heaven.

    - Andraste 7:19

        And in return were given, in hushed whispers,
        The secrets of darkest magic.

    - Threnodies 5:11

        Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just.

    - Benedictions 4:10

        Then the Maker said:
        To you, my second-born, I grant this gift:
        In your heart shall burn

    - Threnodies 5:1-5:8

        Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls.
        From these emerald waters doth life begin anew.

    - Andraste 14:11

        Dragons with wicked eyes and wicked hearts,
        On blacken’d wings does deceit take flight

    - Silence 3:6, Dissonant Verse

        And as the black clouds came upon them,
        They looked on what pride had wrought,
        And despaired.

    - Threnodies 7:10

        You have brought Sin to Heaven
        And doom upon all the world.

    - Threnodies 8:13

 

source: http://inquisitortre...st/106338955458

 

Edit: "The Threat Remains," "From the Ashes," "The Final Piece" are not included in the known Chant (known as in what we know. In game the Chant takes weeks to recite and we haven't heard all of it).

 

Modifié par zambixi, 27 décembre 2014 - 07:42 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

So.... did Solas absorb Flemeth or did Flemeth possess Solas. I can't decide. Also what the hell did he mean when he said "the people still need him"?

 

Edit: Also I called it months ago, when his romance was female elf exclusive, that his probably responsible for everything going wrong and his an ancient elf. It feels nice to be right about the story for a change!

[scintilla]

So.... did Solas absorb Flemeth or did Flemeth possess Solas. I can't decide. Also what the hell did he mean when he said "the people still need him"?

 

Edit: Also I called it months ago, when his romance was female elf exclusive, that his probably responsible for everything going wrong and his an ancient elf. It feels nice to be right about the story for a change!

 

Solas took Flemythal's power. We're not sure. Presumably elves of some variety but if he means ancient elves or current elves is a matter of debate.

 

Well done!

[Ajna]

So.... did Solas absorb Flemeth or did Flemeth possess Solas. I can't decide. Also what the hell did he mean when he said "the people still need him"?

 

Edit: Also I called it months ago, when his romance was female elf exclusive, that his probably responsible for everything going wrong and his an ancient elf. It feels nice to be right about the story for a change!

 

It looks like he absorbed her power, according to some dev notes that were datamined.

[Ajna]

I almost didn't bother replying because I just knew I'd get 'd..and I did..

[arelenriel]

I wasn't suggesting that they need to integrate.  I was saying that there is a problem that elf+human = human.

 

Anyways, sheer numbers is not an empire.  You need nobles and academics and thinkers to build an empire.  You also need craftsmen and artisans and specialists.  Slaves are not going to help with that.  I know this sounds mean, but they are dead weight.  They will have no idea how to govern themselves and end up making the same mistakes as the Dales.  We can't look to the Dalish for leaders either, because the largest clans are only a few hundred strong.  That's like asking the loval district representative to be the President.  They might be a wise leader, but they'll have no experience.  This is not even talking about a military.  Which they would absolutely have to have.  I guess we could make Fenris do it, but damn they have little to no soldiers.  (lol the mental image of a grumpy Fenris trying to teach elves is hilarious)

 

I guess what I'm saying is that leadership alone is not going to save them.  They will absolutely need to heavily lean on human aid, at least in the beginning.  And then where is their autonomy? 

 

Which cycles me back to the previous argument that they need to fix the elf+human=human issue.  Because if they are relying on humans, then they are going to boink them too.  It's inevitable and that will only further the entropy of their identity.

They have nobles and academics- that would be the ancient elves still lying in uthenera and the Keepers of the clans and the Alienage Hahrens who if the lore has not been retconned are the descendants of the nobility of the Dales and Arlathan.. after all it would have been more likely they would have survived since the were not slaves or working class and would have had the means to escape... and needless to say most of them are academics because they are responsible for maintaining the lore of the Elvhen even if it is fragmented and misinterpreted.

 

Not to mention a huge chunk of former Circle mages like HOF Surana and Grand Enchanter Fiona-- are elves and they certainly qualify as scholars specialists, and craftspeople. The also have craftsman and artisans and specialists- this is what many of the elves in cities do-there aren't enough human nobles for all of them to be maids, and housekeepers.. and not enough general labor jobs for them to all be day laborers.. the Dalish also have craftsman and artisans.

 

We also know very little about what types of academics, craftspeople etc are amongst the Ancient Elves since they have only begun emerging from uthenera since the 5th Blight ended.

 

If you are playing an Elvhen Inquisitor they certainly have the leadership skills by the end of DAI to be the leader the elves need, as does an Elven HOF.. not to menion Bann Shianni if you played City Elf Origin and made her Bann of Fereldan's Alienages, and Ambassador Briala who has been leading a guerilla war against the humans supported by most of the Orlesian city elves.

 

What they lack is a unifying goal or purpose and a homeland could give them that. There are many unoccupied unsettled lands that are not used for anything - aka Arbor Wilds, most of the Free Marches, the Brecilian Forest (which has already been deeded to elves if you had an Elven HOF) and the Korcari Wilds which are inhabited by Avaar and Chasind who get along well with elves that they could conceivably have their own homeland.

 

Maybe they don't need a single leader. For one thing that could be self serving in that Briala or Shianni alone would only pay attention to City Elves needs and HOF Mahariel and Quizzy Lavellan would only pay attention to Dalish Needs and Abelas/Solas would only pay attention to Ancient Elven needs but they could surely succeed with a council similar to the  Landsmeet.

 

Living among humans is not the solution. Being able to get along with them, trade with them, and negotiate with them is necessary but one does not need to live with them  to do that.

 

This is not saying things would be easy-- they can't shut out humans and they cannot shut out city elves who want to continue practicing Andrastianism.. they cannot refuse to help during times of international disasters or emergencies like the Breach or a Blight. This is what lost them their first two homelands.. Focusing so much on their own problems that they ignored the very real threat humans posed (Arlathan) and shutting out humans, refusing to allow people to choose what religion they would practice (refusing to allow Andrastian missionaries into the Dales) and refusing to assist with international emergencies that they say was human problems (the Dales). They could not do this again. Also a lot of humans would be against it .. after all, all of their low paid near slave labor would be gone and they would actually have to pay other humans fair wages  to do the work once done by the elves .. But if things are set up properly and people worked together it could work

[scintilla]

I almost didn't bother replying because I just knew I'd get 'd..and I did..

 

S-sorry

[Ajna]

S-sorry

 

I'm just not gonna reply anymore to easy things

[Hattress]

Here, one of my friend draw it for me~~Just got it and can't wait to share!

[Bliss]

Taco...I need the next chapter? I logged in for a nice treat.

 

On a side note about Andruil...if he does bring dem peeps back...she better have gotten over the wanting of using him as a sex slave. Lavellan throws a mean punch and isn't afraid of much at this point. Knock her back into Arlathan.

[Avejajed]

I am about to go home and finish my canon human playthrough which isng completionist after all because Ive already got like 102 hours into it and im nowhere near done.

But then its all elf all the time. I may even start her tonight but im not sold on her cc yet. I wish I could make a Lavellan im happy with looking at for 100 plus hours. Its a serious problem.

[Bliss]

I am about to go home and finish my canon human playthrough which isng completionist after all because Ive already got like 102 hours into it and im nowhere near done.

But then its all elf all the time. I may even start her tonight but im not sold on her cc yet. I wish I could make a Lavellan im happy with looking at for 100 plus hours. Its a serious problem.

 

I know your pain. Sort of. I'm still at odds which one I like more......which looks to rule them aaaaaalllll

[BoscoBread]

Here's my issue with the whole 'elven empire' thing - and I would have the same thing with dwarven, human, and qunari.  That nationalistic jingoistic crap NEVER works and only does more to foster hatred among others than actually create peace.  I am 100% for elves NOT being 2nd class citizens and reclaiming their religion and culture but how that happens and what that means is going to be different for every elf(much like the mage/templar war was).  So in the end I could never side with Solas if his plans are to raze everything to the ground just to reclaim the empire.  It's so contradictory to what he spouts - firstly(though it's been established that he's kind of a ball of contradictions).  Secondly, they always go down in flames in the long run so noone will win.  Even on a small scale - the circle of magi did nothing but foster fear and hate in the masses about magic.  They were corralled and kept apart so people didn't encounter them daily and didn't deal with them daily.   It may sound hippy-dippy but everyone needs to learn to live together.  Like for dwarves, as much as Bhelen is a tool, I always sided with him.  He needs to drag that empire out of the mountain. 

[Cheerios789]

/snip

 

I agree with you that they shouldn't live among humans and that integration is not going to help them.  I completely agree. 

 

I think we are arguing the same point. 

 

I think that as it stands they can't feasibly build a sustainable empire and I think you do?

 

However, I want them to.  I really really do.  I just feel like a lot of very fortuitous events would have to line up perfectly for that to come to pass.  They would need land (Brecilian Forest or that parcel we can steal from that Lord in Orlais or the Dales ... or whatever).  They need a leader (Lavellan or Shianni or Briala).  Though there are strong points to be made against any of them.  More importantly, like you said, they need a goal and purpose.  They need something to pull them all together.  They also need to be given some time to work through their issues before Orlais or Ferelden or Nevarra or The Free Marches comes knocking on their door. 

 

I just don't see it happening ...  unless Solas, or maybe Abelas, comes along with a massive gamechanging solution.  Like tearing down the Veil and placing everyone on semi-equal footing.  It would be bloody and horrible and terrible, but it might work out in the long run. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Solas took Flemythal's power. We're not sure. Presumably elves of some variety but if he means ancient elves or current elves is a matter of debate.

 

Well done!

 

 

It looks like he absorbed her power, according to some dev notes that were datamined.

 

 

Oh, that's nice.

 

Does the data say whether he tricked her into giving her power to him (You know because his Fen'Harel and all) or did she voluntarily give it to him.

 

 

Also since his the dread wolf it probably means he (Masked Empire spoilers)

Spoiler

killed  Felassan.

[Sashimi_taco]

Taco...I need the next chapter? I logged in for a nice treat.

 

On a side note about Andruil...if he does bring dem peeps back...she better have gotten over the wanting of using him as a sex slave. Lavellan throws a mean punch and isn't afraid of much at this point. Knock her back into Arlathan.

 

I'm working on it :3 I just have to put a daily video out today or people get upset with me. I didn't put one out on christmas eve and i got a lot disappointed PMs. Disappointing people is the worst.

[Ajna]

Oh, that's nice.

 

Does the data say whether he tricked her into giving her power to him (You know because his Fen'Harel and all) or did she voluntarily give it to him.

 

 

Also since his the dread wolf it probably means he (Masked Empire spoilers)

Spoiler

killed  Felassan.

 

She let him have it.  I'll go search for the notes...unless scint gets there before me

[BubbleDncr]

What do you guys think might happen if Solas is the antagonist or a key player in DA4? Do you think they'd still continue his romance in a DLC, a bit like Morrigan's witch hunt, only for him to leave in the end anyway? 

 

I'm convinced that Solas is going to achieve whatever he needs to achieve before DA4, thus letting his and Lavellan's story mostly resolved. I think DA4 will be a new protagonist dealing with all the **** Solas caused (elven gods free, veil torn, whatever) - and thus Solas won't specifically be the antagonist, but the guy to blame for the real "villain" being able to be a villain.  

[Bliss]

Want me to wack them with a stick? Because I'm Solas is more important?

[Cheerios789]

Taco...I need the next chapter? I logged in for a nice treat.

 

On a side note about Andruil...if he does bring dem peeps back...she better have gotten over the wanting of using him as a sex slave. Lavellan throws a mean punch and isn't afraid of much at this point. Knock her back into Arlathan.

 

I second the cry for another chapter.  But I mean take your time ... I'll just be here ... waiting. 

 

Also, lol Andruil.  Can you imagine Lavellan getting up in her face while Fen'harel attempts to placate them? 

 

"Ladies, please.  Lavellan it was only for a year and Andruil put away the bow.  Let's not fight ... come on."

[Tielis]

I'm not sure if this have been discussed already but I have to ask...

 

Spoiler

That why is every elven god portrayed as bald? Even the godesses... Why is that? http://dragonage.wik.../Elven_pantheon

 

Because apparently ancient elves are the aliens/vampires of the DA universe.  

 

I think it has something to do with uthenera being a sort of death and that's just another way for the artists to drive that home.

 

(Sorry for the retread, just catching up today.)

[Ajna]

Oh, that's nice.

 

Does the data say whether he tricked her into giving her power to him (You know because his Fen'Harel and all) or did she voluntarily give it to him.

 

 

Also since his the dread wolf it probably means he (Masked Empire spoilers)

Spoiler

killed  Felassan.

 

Spoiler

"Designer's Notes: This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this game, Flemeth's story comes to a head -- she knew that Solas would summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods...yet Solas has slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it. He was once her oldest friend, but she knows in his drive to save the elven people he will kill anyone -- even her. She intends to let him have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession."

[Sashimi_taco]

Want me to wack them with a stick? Because I'm Solas is more important?

 

If it makes you feel any better, my next video project is about solas.