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[Birdy]

Abelas said something like "Fen'harel had nothing to do with Mythal's murder."  So yes, he definitely said she'd been murdered.

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[Tielis]

This is adorable! I like the idea that Solas is ticklish because he's normally so stuck up and unflappable. 

 

I'm also catching up with the thread, obviously haha.

 

More on topic, I also wonder why Solas wants to bring the pantheon back, supposedly. He locked them away for a reason, is he really just trying to reset the world to exactly the way it was? That doesn't seem like a very good plan and not an understandable one either for a possible god of rebellion.

 

Maybe he locked them away to protect them from the threat of red lyrium.  And now that red lyrium is everywhere, well, maybe now he wants to prevent them from being locked up *and* tainted.

[phaonica]

It's likely he knows that finding the Old Gods won't actually prevent future Blights - since the Blight isn't caused by the Old Gods, only given direction by it - since he has an idea of where the Blight actually comes from. Finding them could actually make things worse, if the Wardens end up tainting them (like the Architect did), or if destroying them upsets some delicate balance of magic, or if killing them just means you suddenly have millions of mad darkspawn (like the Mother) running around Blighting everything..

 

I was thinking this, too, that maybe if the Archdemons were preemptively killed, that the darkspawn wouldn't have a magnet (for lack of a better word) keeping them underground and they might just be unleashed upon the surface in a worse way than ever.

 

For all that Solas is keeping secrets, though, it seems like if he knows more he would react more emphatically against this Warden plan to preemptively kill the archdemons, and not just their willingness to destroy old, misunderstood magic.

[scintilla]

I may be hanging over Sandal's prophecy way too much but I really thinks he doesn't want to free the gods, it'll be.. Silly.

I think he wants to bring the veil down - return immortality to the elves and magic to dwarves, etc ("everyone will be just like they were").

Cory didn't bring down the veil, he didn't even try, so I think that when Sandal says "when he rises" he means Solas, not Cory.

 

There are two banters with Cole that do allude to Solas wanting to help some group that's trapped and he wronged. One says that he did it to save them and he can just let go (but he won't) the other is the post-break up banter about them "hiding, hurting." 

 

So there's evidence for whichever theory makes you happiest.

[Birdy]

They do know, it's mentioned in The Calling. They do not know how to reach them because there are Darkspawn all over the Deep Roads, but they know where they are.

 

I think the fact that the Wardens are trying to mess with forces they do not understand is reason enough for Solas to hate them. That they do so while willingly using Blight magic - which Solas views as inherently wrong in a big way - and that in turn leaves them open to control via Coryphefish...that's just gravy. 

 

It's likely he knows that finding the Old Gods won't actually prevent future Blights - since the Blight isn't caused by the Old Gods, only given direction by it - since he has an idea of where the Blight actually comes from. Finding them could actually make things worse, if the Wardens end up tainting them (like the Architect did), or if destroying them upsets some delicate balance of magic, or if killing them just means you suddenly have millions of mad darkspawn (like the Mother) running around Blighting everything.

 

Solas says "the Blight is not something one smugly outsmarts. Forgive me. The entire idea is...unnerving." I think his anger stems from the same place as his anger with the Dalish. His feelings towards the Wardens are amplified because nothing super-bad happens from the Dalish getting stuff wrong, but when the Wardens get something wrong, stuff goes south quickly (they are single-handedly responsible for the former extinction of the griffons).

*Not dismissing but, The books aren't 100% lore positive.  They'll change whatever is said to fix their game lore. Heck they changed game lore to fit some fantasy need. Zombie Leianna.  So I don't put a lot of stock in the book lore to what we know game lore wise.

With that said. Very interesting, I didn't know that.  The wardens keep their knowledge very close. I wonder how much more they know of the world than anyone else and how much blackmail they have on everyone.

**I had something much better written then I hit the back button.  DX

[Marieir]

Some new, longer fan fiction featuring a Solas-stricken Lavellan after the final battle.

 

http://lightsinthefade.tumblr.com/

[BubbleDncr]

I may be hanging over Sandal's prophecy way too much but I really thinks he doesn't want to free the gods, it'll be.. Silly.

I think he wants to bring the veil down - return immortality to the elves and magic to dwarves, etc ("everyone will be just like they were").

Cory didn't bring down the veil, he didn't even try, so I think that when Sandal says "when he rises" he means Solas, not Cory.

 

Yea I'm totally with you on Sandal's prophecy talking about Solas and what he's gonna do. I just figured maybe part of bringing down the veil would also free the elven gods? Maybe not?

 

Also his big rant about how the world was better before the veil existed made me think that's what he wanted to do right from the beginning of the game, really. 

[Birdy]

Yea I'm totally with you on Sandal's prophecy talking about Solas and what he's gonna do. I just figured maybe part of bringing down the veil would also free the elven gods? Maybe not?

 

Also his big rant about how the world was better before the veil existed made me think that's what he wanted to do right from the beginning of the game, really. 

His definition of "right" I think he stuck around just for the power in the anchor and the orb. Maybe he had plans on taking the anchor back from the Quizzy once he got the orb. I know Cory couldn't get it off Quizzy, but he's also not the owner of the orb.

[jellobell]

"You would think such understanding would stop me from making such terrible mistakes. You would be wrong."

 

Whoa, that hits... hard. 

No kidding. In the IHW timeline he's once again trapped in a future where the world has suffered because of his actions. Little wonder that he doesn't care if he lives or dies, so long as he can help set things right. Just the way he says, "You're alive" when he sees the Inquisitor. They're his last hope for freeing the world from his mistakes.

 

And I don't think he wants to bring down the veil. Just look at what happened when the Fade gets brought into the real world in the bad future. If you talk to him about it afterwards he is very much against anything like that happening.

[TheComfyCat]

I just love his face animations. His expressions are so good.

 

[Birdy]

Temple of Mythal as he watches Lavellan complete the Fen'Harel ritual.

There's a Fen'Harel ritual?

 

http://dragonage-kin...14648#t46914648

[Birdy]

http://sqbr.devianta...scles-502275259

[zambixi]

*Not dismissing but, The books aren't 100% lore positive.  They'll change whatever is said to fix their game lore. Heck they changed game lore to fit some fantasy need. Zombie Leianna.  So I don't put a lot of stock in the book lore to what we know game lore wise.

With that said. Very interesting, I didn't know that.  The wardens keep their knowledge very close. I wonder how much more they know of the world than anyone else and how much blackmail they have on everyone.

**I had something much better written then I hit the back button.  DX

 

Even if they don't know where they are, they know there are two they haven't killed in Blights. If Solas is one of the Old Gods and Mythal is the other, than he shouldn't have any problem with them trying to find them because they won't...they're not there, and they would never guess that Solas is one of them. Doesn't mean they're not linked, or that the OGs aren't the Forgotten Ones or some such, just don't think they are the elven Gods that we know of.

 

I hate back buttons! I wish it'd save my stuff in a cache or something when I do that TT.TT

 

 

No kidding. In the IHW timeline he's once again trapped in a future where the world has suffered because of his actions. Little wonder that he doesn't care if he lives or dies, so long as he can help set things right. Just the way he says, "You're alive" when he sees the Inquisitor. They're his last hope for freeing the world from his mistakes.

 

And I don't think he wants to bring down the veil. Just look at what happened when the Fade gets brought into the real world in the bad future. If you talk to him about it afterwards he is very much against anything like that happening.

 

Is that's what's going on in the future? A world without the Veil? I thought maybe Corypheus had just moved the Andraste place into the Fade, but hadn't torn down the Veil entirely.

[Abelas]

No kidding. In the IHW timeline he's once again trapped in a future where the world has suffered because of his actions. Little wonder that he doesn't care if he lives or dies, so long as he can help set things right. Just the way he says, "You're alive" when he sees the Inquisitor. They're his last hope for freeing the world from his mistakes.

 

And I don't think he wants to bring down the veil. Just look at what happened when the Fade gets brought into the real world in the bad future. If you talk to him about it afterwards he is very much against anything like that happening.

 

Even (and that's a big even) if he didn't want the veil, he certainly doesn't want it gone the way it was being done. He hated the breach. 

[Birdy]

Even if they don't know where they are, they know there are two they haven't killed in Blights. If Solas is one of the Old Gods and Mythal is the other, than he shouldn't have any problem with them trying to find them because they won't...they're not there, and they would never guess that Solas is one of them. Doesn't mean they're not linked, or that the OGs aren't the Forgotten Ones or some such, just don't think they are the elven Gods that we know of.

 

I hate back buttons! I wish it'd save my stuff in a cache or something when I do that TT.TT

 

 

 

I was so hoping, but I knew it was a useless hope. 

I don't think Mythal counts, because she's already "dead".  But if they are connected, could be like a spirit animal, kill that kill the others. (Doubtful, but an idea)

[jellobell]

Is that's what's going on in the future? A world without the Veil? I thought maybe Corypheus had just moved the Andraste place into the Fade, but hadn't torn down the Veil entirely.

Solas says that the Fade is bleeding into the real world when you're out in the Redcliffe Castle courtyard. You can see the chunks of floating rock in the sky that you see in the Fade.

 

Perhaps removing the veil the right way could get around the whole apocalypse thing. It seems that not even Cory liked the way things turned out, since he kept trying to get Alexius to go back in time to before the Inquisitor got the anchor.

[Shari'El]

There are two banters with Cole that do allude to Solas wanting to help some group that's trapped and he wronged. One says that he did it to save them and he can just let go (but he won't) the other is the post-break up banter about them "hiding, hurting." 

 

So there's evidence for whichever theory makes you happiest.

 

Yes indeed, I wanted to think he was speaking of spirits perhaps?

-sigh- It's so hard waiting for a DLC or whatever to come out and explain everything :<

[Birdy]

Solas says that the Fade is bleeding into the real world when you're out in the Redcliffe Castle courtyard. You can see the chunks of floating rock in the sky that you see in the Fade.

 

Perhaps removing the veil the right way could get around the whole apocalypse thing. It seems that not even Cory liked the way things turned out, since he kept trying to get Alexius to go back in time to before the Inquisitor got the anchor.

I thought that was just to get the anchor for himself not because he didn't want the breach, I thought he did. He just lost the control rod (Hehe).

[jellobell]

I thought that was just to get the anchor for himself not because he didn't want the breach, I thought he did. He just lost the control rod (Hehe).

Well Cory wants to rule over people as their new god. Kinda hard to do that when everyone's getting slaughtered by demons. I'll have to do the quest again to be sure, but I got the impression from Alexius's diary that Cory didn't like how things turned out.

 

And wasn't the breach an accident in the first place?

[scintilla]

Yes indeed, I wanted to think he was speaking of spirits perhaps?

-sigh- It's so hard waiting for a DLC or whatever to come out and explain everything :<

 

Only if those spirits are behind a mirror, somehow. The more straightforward theory (and that doesn't make it right) is somewhere in the Eluvian network.

 

It's like trying to put together a puzzle with only half the pieces.

[TheComfyCat]

I thought that was just to get the anchor for himself not because he didn't want the breach, I thought he did. He just lost the control rod (Hehe).

 

He definitely is unhappy with the breach. In that conversation you have with him in Haven, it's clear that he'd like to live in a world without the veil. But the breach forces spirits through, corrupting them into demons in the process. This is pretty much the opposite of what Solas wants.

 

ETA: then I reread what you guys were talking about and realized you meant Cory, not Solas. Oops. I'll just go back to making gifs.

[Birdy]

Well Cory wants to rule over people as their new god. Kinda hard to do that when everyone's getting slaughtered by demons. I'll have to do the quest again to be sure, but I got the impression from Alexius's diary that Cory didn't like how things turned out.

 

And wasn't the breach an accident in the first place?

Didn't he want to go into the black city again and sit on the throne?  Maybe you're right, I've only gone through the game once, lore sometimes gets mixed up.

[scintilla]

Didn't he want to go into the black city again and sit on the throne?  Maybe you're right, I've only gone through the game once, lore sometimes gets mixed up.

 

The Breach was an accident or maybe a side effect? It doesn't get Corypheus to the Black City, he needs to be able to go physically into the Fade and the Breach doesn't do that. The Anchor would. The Breach isn't necessary for the Anchor to work though since it gets closed pretty early on and the Anchor continues to do its thing.

[TheComfyCat]

I like the lighting in this part of his personal quest.

 

 

Poor distraught Solas ;(

 

[jellobell]

Uploaded the videos of the cutscene where you find Solas during In Hushed Whispers.

 

This is the one with the "you look bad" option. Featuring the Inquisitor making an utterly heartbreaking face.

 

 

And this is the one where Solas has that line about making mistakes.

 

 

This quest gets to me every time.