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[Renmiri1]

 

So surfing the Kind Meme for Solas I found this

"I sympathize with the folks who are uncomfortable or upset by prompts and fills where Dorian is portrayed as straight.

And I agree that it isn't the same thing as prompts/fills where Cullen or Blackwall are portrayed as gay. "

 

How the heck isn't it the same?  O.o Because he has a little back story about being gay?     My brain is just scrambling trying to process turning males gay is okay but a male straight isn't.

  

 

 

 

Because there are thousands of straight game npc and only a handful of gay characters and you making him not gay cuts that number to even less than the gays "have" right now

[MaidenM]

Yay for Terry Pratchett! He has some must reads in his large collection of books! Also lots of great quotes

 

Great quotes indeed! *coughmysigcough* Philosophy and humor in one!

[Marieir]

So i was wondering.. If Solas is an old elven god, Fen'Harel, isn't he immortal? I know that he says that the elven gods weren't really gods, but anyhow, the ancient elves were immortal, no? So how come Solas' biggest fear is dying alone?'

[Sashimi_taco]

I went through my parents hating me and in denial for being attracted to the same sex, and I still find it strange that it's okay to portray straight characters as gay but not Dorian as bisexual.  And I'm trying to understand, but it's prompts like "they have drunken sex" and  "they fell in love" not "Dorian's being brainwashed." Completely innocent and realistic prompts.

 

Other people might have different reactions than you to the same experiences. It doesn't make your reaction, nor their reaction, less valid. It's okay to "not get it". But that doesn't mean you wouldn't understand why someone else would have different feelings about it. 

 

Personally if I'm in a situation where I know someone could feel bad if I say something, I just don't. 

[Eomie]

Okay, I know this is a crackpot theory and all, buuuuut  I wanted to share it anyways.

 

• Andraste was elven not human
• Andraste gave birth to two daughter, only they were elven, because their father was Shartan not Mafarath, and that is why they were kept from sight.
• "The Maker" was likely a dreamer, visiting her in dreams.
• I understand that Vivial ran off with a tevinter mage, who very well could have been elven, but even if she was elven and him a human, I think if one of her children procreated with another elf it might be possible for the elven features to reappear.
• Now then Our quizzy's blood is old, because maybe she is descendent of Andraste. (However, if something similar is sad to male quzzy, then that could blow this out of the water. Unless of course the speculation that her family only births daughters is incorrect.)
• Any thoughts?

[Birdy]

Because there are thousands of straight game npc and only a handful of gay characters and you making him not gay cuts that number to even less than the gays "have" right now

Is it bad I laughed at that a little?  But put like that, that actually makes some sense. And I ran out of likes. 

[Sashimi_taco]

So i was wondering.. If Solas is an old elven god, Fen'Harel, isn't he immortal? I know that he says that the elven gods weren't really gods, but anyhow, the ancient elves were immortal, no? So how come Solas' biggest fear is dying alone?'

 

Because he's not immune to injury. He can still be murdered. 

[Kittn]

Okay, I know this is a crackpot theory and all, buuuuut  I wanted to share it anyways.

• Andraste was elven not human
• Andraste gave birth to two daughter, only they were elven, because their father was Shartan not Mafarath, and that is why they were kept from sight.
• "The Maker" was likely a dreamer, visiting her in dreams.
• I understand that Vivial ran off with a tevinter mage, who very well could have been elven, but even if she was elven and him a human, I think if one of her children procreated with another elf it might be possible for the elven features to reappear.
• Now then Our quizzy's blood is old, because maybe she is descendent of Andraste. (However, if something similar is sad to male quzzy, then that could blow this out of the water. Unless of course the speculation that her family only births daughters is incorrect.)
• Any thoughts?

Unfortunately, Human + Elf = Human always in Thedas. That's why its a big deal for elf + elf. Sera wasn't wrong about that at least.

Edit: Somehow missed the first point. 9.9 Still. I don't think something that major would have been swept under the rugs. Wouldn't it have made a lot of the other things that we know to be true untrue?

[Eomie]

So i was wondering.. If Solas is an old elven god, Fen'Harel, isn't he immortal? I know that he says that the elven gods weren't really gods, but anyhow, the ancient elves were immortal, no? So how come Solas' biggest fear is dying alone?'

I am not sure immortal is really the right way to describe it. I would say that the ancient elves were more likely ageless, but from what I can tell, and I may be wrong here, but they could die from disease and inflicted wounds.

[Renmiri1]

I am not sure immortal is really the right way to describe it. I would say that the ancient elves were more likely ageless, but from what I can tell, and I may be wrong here, but they could die from disease and inflicted wounds.

Unless you are Captain Jack, there is always a way for Immortals to die, it is just a lot harder to kill an Immortal

[Birdy]

Other people might have different reactions than you to the same experiences. It doesn't make your reaction, nor their reaction, less valid. It's okay to "not get it". But that doesn't mean you wouldn't understand why someone else would have different feelings about it. 

 

Personally if I'm in a situation where I know someone could feel bad if I say something, I just don't. 

That's the thing, I don't understand it and I'm usually pretty good at seeing both sides.

[Eomie]

Unfortunately, Human + Elf = Human always in Thedas. That's why its a big deal for elf + elf. Sera wasn't wrong about that at least

 

So genetics does not work in Thedas? Could it be that they do not understand recessive genes?

Just because and elf and human baby appears human, it does not mean that if they had children that elven features could not reappear in later generations.

Then again it is a crackpot theory with many holes.

<---Is a nerdy biology major

[Sashimi_taco]

That's the thing, I don't understand it and I'm usually pretty good at seeing both sides.

 

Then I suggest we get back the topic at hand.

 

Smut.

[Renmiri1]

I dunno, I'm straight but one of my kids is not. So I usually get pretty sensitive at this stuff. I's just a bit annoying that the gays have so little representation and the little they have gets taken away so easily

[Sashimi_taco]

So genetics does not work in Thedas? Could it be that they do not understand recessive genes?

Just because and elf and human baby appears human, it does not mean that if they had children that elven features could not reappear.

Then again it is a crackpot theory with many holes.

<---Is a nerdy biology major

 

There is a half elf in Kirkwall who has pointy ears and some elvehn features. The dalish accept him if you work with them. So no, you get half elves. The traits of elf are more or less intense depending. Alistair is a half elf and shows no features at all. 

[Eomie]

Unless you are Captain Jack, there is always a way for Immortals to die, it is just a lot harder to kill an Immortal

Captain Jack   He is a special kind of immortal ::Swoons::

[Uirebhiril]

So genetics does not work in Thedas? Could it be that they do not understand recessive genes?

Just because and elf and human baby appears human, it does not mean that if they had children that elven features could not reappear in later generations.

Then again it is a crackpot theory with many holes.

<---Is a nerdy biology major

 

Apparently that is not true, as there's something more - and magical - when it comes to elves and their babies. Thus elf x anything will always be whatever the non-elven parent was, and will remain so no matter how many generations breed back. Or so it's said. They could change that later, but as it stands, elf x elf only will ever result in an elf.

[Birdy]

@ Immortality

Rewatching the scene with Abelas, he said, "When they come to the end of their time"

I was thinking about that. I wonder if the elves were really truly immortal or just so long lived the seemed immortal.
Perhaps the way Solas/Mythal/and the rest were considered gods was because they slept for a time and reawoken to rule over the people. So that's why they lived longer than the rest.

So, the story of the Dread Wolf "locking" away the gods was just their rest period and he was suppose to use his orb to reawaken the rest, but realized just how changed and fucked up the world was.

My word, it's turning into a crackpot theory.

[SamanthaJ]

He's smiling when he pulls away from the kiss, content to stay with her forever.

 

It hits him like a wave of freezing water that he needs to walk away.

[arelenriel]

So i was wondering.. If Solas is an old elven god, Fen'Harel, isn't he immortal? I know that he says that the elven gods weren't really gods, but anyhow, the ancient elves were immortal, no? So how come Solas' biggest fear is dying alone?'

I suspect they were immortal much like Tolkien's elves were immortal- they could not die of disease, or illness but they could die of mortal injuries (you note Mythal was murdered), or possibly if their spirit/heart broke (Solas being a perfect example of this- he is afraid to die alone but doesn't really feel he deserves to live either because of his mistakes- mistakes which have literally broken him in the emotional sense). Uthenera probably also had a fair bit to do with it as well. If you read Tolkien you will also note that the Elves of Middle Earth had to sail West eventually and travel to Valinor/The Undying Lands (home of the Valar aka Gods, and where all "immortal elves" dwelled) or they would diminish and become mortal .. sounds kind of like what happened with the Elves of Thedas after spending years around humans doesn't it ?

[electricfish]

Bringing up my shower thought/question as an out for anyone who doesn't want to get involved in the sexuality discussion.

 

Why does Flemeth need someone to perform a Dalish funeral rite before her soul piece is released from the amulet? Is it because it's a failsafe in case another body of hers is killed (in this case via The Warden)? Or..could it have larger implications regarding how the elven gods could be immortal, and difficult to kill completely? Would ancient elves have a phylactery like that where they store some of their soul/essense in case they die through injury?

[Eomie]

There is a half elf in Kirkwall who has pointy ears and some elvehn features. The dalish accept him if you work with them. So no, you get half elves. The traits of elf are more or less intense depending. Alistair is a half elf and shows no features at all. 

Okay, so I just read were someone point out that it was something magical. I think there is a codex on it as well. I really need to look into it. I am still holding out that Ragulan was elven mage of tevinter, if that was possible at the time, because I know that Elves who displayed magical abilities were set free. I am just not sure on the time line for that.

[Gervaise]

I've been playing the Winter Palace again, this time with Solas in tow and I have to admit his comments about the Game were a bit of an eye opener.   Seems the wolf is showing a bit more of himself there.   The thing is I am still a bit puzzled about his reaction to the choices you can make, so I wondered if you have any ideas about this.   My approval rating with Solas is so high by this point that I don't see any positive reactions (I had to check them out elsewhere) but I do get the negatives which is where I'm a tad bemused.

 

Solas disapproves if you execute Florianne yourself:   Now this time round he heard what she had to say about her motivations and really her contempt for the grief it could cause everyone but herself.   Does he feel you should be forgiving because she did think it was all part of the Game and was also too stupid to see how Cory was using her?

 

Judging Florianne:   Up to now the only choice that doesn't seem to merit his disapproval is to recruit her as an agent.   (I haven't tried the banish option yet but there's no way I'm letting her lose to cause trouble elsewhere).   Well I really don't want the politics of the Game in my Inquisition and in any case I don't think I could ever really trust her.   So is it because he finds the Game a bit of a turn on the reason he wants you to recruit her?

 

My preferred option is to either make her a court jester or better still put to manual labour - neither of which meets with his approval - does he think this is too much like making her a slave?    I must admit that the fate of Florianne is one of the few times when Solas and I did not see eye to eye on an issue and the only time that I find it hard to fathom out why.

[Birdy]

I dunno, I'm straight but one of my kids is not. So I usually get pretty sensitive at this stuff. I's just a bit annoying that the gays have so little representation and the little they have gets taken away so easily

But fanfiction wise.  There is so much more male on male action going on than male/female it's strange seeing it flamed to heaven when it's the opposite. It's oc either way, but it's wrong to change this certain one, don't dare touch it.

Bah, thanks for the opinions guys, a bit more understanding even if it's so wrong.  

 

Now what were we talking about, smut?
I don't' have smut I'm ready to share but I can find some fanart.

Look at it. Look at this amazing piece. . . 

Spoiler

 

http://mabiruna.tumb...ell-yes-here-it

[Sashimi_taco]

@ Immortality

Rewatching the scene with Abelas, he said, "When they come to the end of their time"

I was thinking about that. I wonder if the elves were really truly immortal or just so long lived the seemed immortal.
Perhaps the way Solas/Mythal/and the rest were considered gods was because they slept for a time and reawoken to rule over the people. So that's why they lived longer than the rest.

So, the story of the Dread Wolf "locking" away the gods was just their rest period and he was suppose to use his orb to reawaken the rest, but realized just how changed and fucked up the world was.

My word, it's turning into a crackpot theory.

 

Well from my research the Elvehn just chose when they wanted to die. Because they got bored and stuff. So you could either go into Uthenera and dream until you die for real. ORRRRR you become awesome and your body feeds off the fade. Essentially letting you sleep, alive, forever. 

 

Solas is able to feed off the fade. Maybe that is why you never see him eat. And why he hates tea (stimulants) so much. Because if he can't sleep, he can't eat.