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[Shari'El]

Could we have handled this armor if it was actually in the game.

 

 

I probably would've lost a lot of battles :|

[Ajna]

Disclaimer:

I used to be into tarots ages ago (10-11 years ago? I wasn't even in high school) and I always liked to look at the drawings, but min you I'm not an expert

 

I did notice that at some point, I thoguht the Fool really fits Solas. The Fool's doesn't have a proper place in the Tarot card sequence (it's number 0, infinite possibilites). The Major Arcana is sometimes considered the Fool's journey through life. Meaningwise, it speaks of beginning and potential. It indicates anything can happen, and asks you to take a leap of faith. It's a really positive card in my opinion.

 

I just shoved it out of my brain, I tried to figure out where it says his card is the Heirophant, is it in the deck they released?

 

If his card is the Fool then it does fit lovely with the Dalish elf card (like said in the tumblr you linked), if it is the Heirophant it's cute if we view fem!Dalish as High Priestess (and as said, her card in the game is very much like Vivienne's card, which is the official High Priestess).

 

I personally feel that they used tarot to express the inner turmoils & feelings of the characters, and that they've done so quite nicely.

 

The Tower speaks of sudden change, revelations, and sometimes of disaster, the Fool speaks of beginnings, innocence.

They can speak of the same thing, it's just a matter of angle, perhaps?

 

I think we need some expert here!

This could hide hints :<

 

I love the story of the tarot. http://www.shalinimu...rot-card-story/

[Birdy]

You can't post things unfinished dammit.  I'm pretty sure that one is dead anyways .... uh, not that I have set up a camp there or ... I'm going to walk away.

Lol. Worry not, it's only been a few days.  XD  And that last fill was just before christmas.

[Vhenan In Fen'Harel]

I never read any fan fiction for anything until Solas happened.  I'm totally clueless what's good or bad.  

This one isn't very long.  But it's been my favorite of what I have read.  http://archiveofouro...g/works/2781509 Something about the way it's written, how the thoughts/emotions are conveyed that really struck a nerve for me.  Surprised by how weepy the end had me.  Our lovely Cheerios789 is the author.

OMG me either. I'm also, actually, working on one of my own. Sigh. I write in my own time, but this will be my first fanfic I have written. I'll post it up when I finish it. Until then, let's all console one another with good fan fiction links?

http://obsidianmichi...ring-in-the-sun

I enjoyed this one ^

[Yaslana]

Next up: conspiracy thoughts. 
So, here I am playing DA2 and I just finished the bit where we talk to Flemeth 2.0 after the funeral rite. She tells Hawke that the world will fear the inevitable plummet into the abyss, and in that moment s/he must not hesitate to leap. That made me immediately think of Here Lies the Abyss quest where Hawke jumps at the chance to kill googly-eyed spider demon.
What if Flemeth wasn't referring to the later events of DA2 when she predicts terrible things happening, but rather DA:I where Hawke has the choice of (presumably) dying by demon, or just exiting the rift. "It is only when you fall that you truly learn whether you can fly." That is the last thing Flemeth says to Hawke on Sundermount. So is Hawke falling to googly spider demon a true death (and closure to their story), or would it be too weird to see abomination Hawke having something to do with the internal war the Grey Wardens are facing at the end of DA:I?

I have the feeling that Bioware is mean again.
If you safe Hawke then Hawke goes to Weishaupt and dissappears, so my Epilogue says.

I have the feeling the one you leave in the fade survives (it is never said that the one you leave dies for sure, only they most likely die if I remember right)

And the one who goes to Weishaupt dies becaus some weird Warden **** (my Epilogue says that there is some Warden civil war)

[scintilla]

Arghhh!  Why did I never see this! It even has the white dog... The Fool becomes the hero, so I always associated it with the Inquisitor..but this? Please make it so

 

Disclaimer:

I used to be into tarots ages ago (10-11 years ago? I wasn't even in high school) and I always liked to look at the drawings, but min you I'm not an expert

Spoiler

 

I did notice that at some point, I thoguht the Fool really fits Solas. The Fool's doesn't have a proper place in the Tarot card sequence (it's number 0, infinite possibilites). The Major Arcana is sometimes considered the Fool's journey through life. Meaningwise, it speaks of beginning and potential. It indicates anything can happen, and asks you to take a leap of faith. It's a really positive card in my opinion.

 

I just shoved it out of my brain, I tried to figure out where it says his card is the Heirophant, is it in the deck they released?

 

If his card is the Fool then it does fit lovely with the Dalish elf card (like said in the tumblr you linked), if it is the Heirophant it's cute if we view fem!Dalish as High Priestess (and as said, her card in the game is very much like Vivienne's card, which is the official High Priestess).

 

I personally feel that they used tarot to express the inner turmoils & feelings of the characters, and that they've done so quite nicely.

 

The Tower speaks of sudden change, revelations, and sometimes of disaster, the Fool speaks of beginnings, innocence.

They can speak of the same thing, it's just a matter of angle, perhaps?

 

I think we need some expert here!

This could hide hints :<

 

Scans of the tarot that came with the super special edition say that Sera's first card is the The Fool and Solas's romance is The Hierophant.

http://everythingdra...las-tarot-cards

 

http://brunetteautho...arcana-1-3-part

http://brunetteautho...arcana-2-3-part

http://brunetteautho...arcana-3-3-part

 

The artists didn't stick strictly to the visual elements of the cards. Cassandra's first card is Strength and there's just one visual element of the Strength card on it (Cassandra herself, Strength is almost always represented by a girl/woman). Dorian's romance is the Chariot, again it lacks a lot of what traditionally defines the Chariot (and to correct myself here, it does have the black/white motif).

 

 

[Cheerios789]

*gasps*

 

Someone reposted my story?  I just ... awww I'm so happy.  This is a much better Chanukah present than I actually got. 

 

Thank you.

 

[Vhenan In Fen'Harel]

Gaider once said somewhere (can't find it atm; old post) that the "elves + other races = other race" has more to do with magic than science or genetics.

 

Also, I don't know why you're so against Alistair being elf-blooded, but it was striaght up confirmed during the Raptr Q&A. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

Also if you read his parent's origin story ;} which is good.

[Cheerios789]

Also if you read his parent's origin story ;} which is good.

 

By "good" do you mean heartwrenching?  If so, then you are correct it is really really good.  I never felt so many things at seeing Duncan's death then after I read that.  It's also the reason I have to save the mages in Inquisition.

 

Spoiler

What if Maric isn't actually dead?  That was never confirmed, right?

 

Alright I forgot how to do spoilers... craptastic

 

*edit figured it out

[scintilla]

By "good" do you mean heartwrenching?  If so, then you are correct it is really really good.  I never felt so many things at seeing Duncan's death then after I read that.  It's also the reason I have to save the mages in Inquisition.

 

[/spoiler] What if Maric isn't actually dead?  That was never confirmed, right? [spoiler]

 

Alright I forgot how to do spoilers... craptastic

 

Switch the positions, one with the slash goes at the end. 

[Ajna]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I knew he was The Hierophant, I don't feel that the The Fool fits Sera, maybe at the beginning of the story, on the surface, and the fact that it's called The Fool.  I just see the tarot as a story now, a beautiful story..The Hero's Journey.  They had to realise the artwork on his romanced card was very similar, like VERY similar. *sigh* oh well.

[Shari'El]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know Sera's the fool, but it's not impossible they intended to hint at something with how similar Solas' card to the Fool is. Solas' card is more visually similar to the Fool's card than Sera's card is.

It's like the game card for your race/gender looks entirely different from the cards in the deck.

[Ajna]

I love what they've done with his facial expression here. The changes are so small but you can still tell exactly the moment when it hits him that he can't stay, even if you just look at his eyes. It's amazing.

This entire scene (with the removal of the Vallasslin) is one of the best scenes in the game, imo. 

 

 

You see it in his eyebrows, it's so sad

 

PT no.2 has just got the Temple point in the story.  So, much avoidance from me for a while..

[Shari'El]

I knew he was The Hierophant, I don't feel that the The Fool fits Sera, maybe at the beginning of the story, on the surface, and the fact that it's called The Fool.  I just see the tarot as a story now, a beautiful story..The Hero's Journey.  They had to realise the artwork on his romanced card was very similar, like VERY similar. *sigh* oh well.

 

I also agree that the Fool's meaning doesn't really fit Sera (Sera's not beginning anything, she doesn't develop in the slightest throughout the game), it fits her by name only. The coloring, the general pose, the staff, the white wolf, I feel it's hecka coincidence if it all happened by accident, and I'm pretty sure they had experts who helped them design the cards, it's plausible they used this opportunity to both reflect the character's personality & their goals.

 

But I can be really wrong.

 

I really think we need some one who can read tarots over here XD

[scintilla]

I knew he was The Hierophant, I don't feel that the The Fool fits Sera, maybe at the beginning of the story, on the surface, and the fact that it's called The Fool.  I just see the tarot as a story now, a beautiful story..The Hero's Journey.  They had to realise the artwork on his romanced card was very similar, like VERY similar. *sigh* oh well.

 

I know Sera's the fool, but it's not impossible they intended to hint at something with how similar Solas' card to the Fool is. Solas' card is more visually similar to the Fool's card then Sera's card is.

It's like the game card for your race/gender looks entirely different from the cards in the deck.

 

I actually don't think The Fool is a good card for Solas. There are... childlike qualities to The Fool that Solas doesn't have. Solas isn't at the beginning of his journey either and he hasn't quite hit The World so he can start over.

 

His isn't the only card that doesn't have the traditional visual elements of the card. They may be incorporating elements of other cards that work. Or maybe they're just doing their personal take on it. But Sera has just as many features of The Fool as Solas does. She has the cliff/precipice that Solas doesn't have. She has the pouch/worldly belongings that Solas doesn't have. She has distinct mountains in the distance. Solas has the white dog and you could probably interpret the leaves in his hand as the flower. The staff is an element of both the Hierophant and the Fool.

 

I would have made Cole The Fool.

 

Shari'Hel: You may appreciate that Sera's card changes to The Hanged Man when she's romanced.

[Ajna]

I actually don't think The Fool is a good card for Solas. There are... childlike qualities to The Fool that Solas doesn't have. Solas isn't at the beginning of his journey either and he hasn't quite hit The World so he can start over.

 

His isn't the only card that doesn't have the traditional visual elements of the card. They may be incorporating elements of other cards that work. Or maybe they're just doing their personal take on it. But Sera has just as many features of The Fool as Solas does. She has the cliff/precipice that Solas doesn't have. She has the pouch/worldly belongings that Solas doesn't have. She has distinct mountains in the distance. Solas has the white dog and you could probably interpret the leaves in his hand as the flower. The staff is an element of both the Hierophant and the Fool.

 

I would have made Cole The Fool.

 

Shari'Hel: You may appreciate that Sera's card changes to The Hanged Man when she's romanced.

 

If we think about it in the context of the story, (the tarot story that is), The Fool also made many **** ups in his younger days, I'm not thinking about The Fool at the beginning of his journey.

 

Edit: I don't dislike The Hierophant for him, I'm just blown away by the similarites in the artwork. 

[scintilla]

If we think about it in the context of the story, (the tarot story that is), The Fool also made many **** ups in his younger days, I'm not thinking about The Fool at the beginning of his journey.

 

Why would he be assigned a tarot for his past rather than something that is relevant to the events of the game/the person he was during the game? And in that context, everyone could be The Fool.

[Shari'El]

I actually don't think The Fool is a good card for Solas. There are... childlike qualities to The Fool that Solas doesn't have. Solas isn't at the beginning of his journey either and he hasn't quite hit The World so he can start over.

 

His isn't the only card that doesn't have the traditional visual elements of the card. They may be incorporating elements of other cards that work. Or maybe they're just doing their personal take on it. But Sera has just as many features of The Fool as Solas does. She has the cliff/precipice that Solas doesn't have. She has the pouch/worldly belongings that Solas doesn't have. She has distinct mountains in the distance. Solas has the white dog and you could probably interpret the leaves in his hand as the flower. The staff is an element of both the Hierophant and the Fool.

 

I would have made Cole The Fool.

 

Shari'Hel: You may appreciate that Sera's card changes to The Hanged Man when she's romanced.

 

Is does? Classic -snickers-

 

It's true the fool has childlike qualities, but what if we try to be more flexible in our thoughts? Maybe it's not as simple at that.

Seeing the card visually looks like the Fool how about approaching it in another way? Solas is wise, he has gathered wisdom and experience through the course of many many years, he is definitely not fitting to be a Fool, so lets pretend for a second that since the Fool is about a journey, then the Fool has now approached the Heirophant.

 

This is taken from http://www.shalinimu...rot-card-story/

 

 

Having created a solid foundation on which to build his future, the Fool is struck with a sudden fear. What if everything he's worked for is taken away? Is stolen, or lost, or destroyed or vanishes? Or what if it is just not good enough? In a panic, he heads into a holy place where he finds the Hierophant, a wise teacher and holy man. Acolytes kneel before the man, ready to hear and pass on his teachings. The Fool tells the Hierophant his fears, and asks how he can be free of them.

 

"There are only two ways," says the Hierophant sagely, "Either give up that which you fear to lose so it no longer holds any power over you, or consider what you will still have if your fear comes to pass. After all," the Hierophant continues, "if you did lose all you'd built, you would still keep the experience and knowledge that you've gained up to this point, wouldn't you?"

 

This surprisingly pragmatic advice releases the Fool from his fear, and he is able exit out of the sanctuary and face the world's challenges once again.

 

At the end of DAI he seems to battling with fears that what he is about to do or wants to do may be wrong.

 

Maybe we can find the guidelines to Solas journey within the story of The Fool's Journey.

Since the Fool has no number he can't be placed anywhere in the sequence of the cards, and at the same time can be placed anywhere.

 

Edit: this. Editor. Is. Not. Working.

[Ajna]

Why would he be assigned a tarot for his past rather than something that is relevant to the events of the game/the person he was during the game? And in that context, everyone could be The Fool.

 

Because at what point is he in the journey?  The Fool is always The Fool no matter the point in his journey.

[Shari'El]

By the way, the next part of the Fool's journey is the lovers XP

 

 

It is clear that she feels the same about him. They finish each others sentences, think the same thoughts. It is as if an Angel above had introduced their souls to each other. Though it was his plan to follow the path of the flowering tree, and though it will cause some trouble for him to bring this woman with him, to go somewhere else entirely, the Fool knows he dare not leave her behind. Like the fruit tree, she will fulfill him. No matter how divergent from his original intent, she is his future. He chooses her, and together they head down a whole new road.

[Ajna]

I'm sorry if I'm sounding vague, I'm finding it hard to express what I mean today for some reason

[Shari'El]

I'm sorry if I'm sounding vague, I'm finding it hard to express what I mean today for some reason

 

I think you've expressed yourself well enough 

[Ajna]

I think you've expressed yourself well enough 

 

Haha good!

[scintilla]

 

At the end of DAI he seems to battling with fears that what he is about to do or wants to do may be wrong.

 

Maybe we can find the guidelines to Solas journey within the story of The Fool's Journey.

Since the Fool has no number he can't be placed anywhere in the sequence of the cards, and at the same time can be placed anywhere.

 

Edit: this. Editor. Is. Not. Working.

 

 

Because at what point is he in the journey?  The Fool is always The Fool no matter the point in his journey.

 

The card still needs to be relevant to the character's current situation. Solas is not The Fool in the DA tarot deck because it doesn't suit his dilemma in the game. The Fool may always be The Fool but Solas's dilemma is The Hermit/The Tower/The Hierophant. Those are his story points. BioWare felt Sera was the character most bereft of inexperience, the one standing on the precipice about to take a step off.

 

And by that definition every character should be on The Fool card because they are all The Fool in their own journey.

 

Edit: And with this I'm bowing out. The point of my original post is that the theory, while interesting for discussion, is proven false.

[Shari'El]

Haha good!

 

I keep trying to leave a likes on your comments but I keep getting reminded by the forums I've finished my daily quota >_>