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[NightSymphony]

Dorian as Venkman, Solas as Egon, Dagna as Stantz.

I had a crush on Egon..so yeah..that works!!  lol

[Addai]

It'd be cool if griffons were made by Ghilly. They seem like the sort of strange things that would be made by magic. I love how often the theme of "someone said they thought this originally came from the elves and was later appropriated by humans, but that would be PREPOSTEROUS har har har" pops up in the codex in Inquisition too.

Yeah, I love that. Since there's a story about Ghila killing her own creations when they got too violent, maybe that's a mythical explanation for how the griffons became little prancing deer.
 

He doesn't hate Blackwall back when he thinks he's still Blackwall -- I think he hates the Wardens as a group but in his own Solasy way pretends that the group isn't made up of individuals (same way he can dislike humans but not Cassandra, or Dalish but not Lavellan). But there are plenty of reasons he wouldn't like my canon Warden anyway (she's human! she's dating/_{married to} an elf! she killed an Old God _{sort of}). Think I'm just going to kill Flemeth, my Warden isn't really one for nuanced approaches - more like stab it until it stops causing problems.

He does say he appreciates Blackwall but he also makes light of Warden stuff like the belief that archdemons cause the Blight. At that point I think he figures the Wardens are just like some harmless, weird cult.

[jawsisinmywc]

In my mind, once Lavellan reaches her height of her political power, she will have a painting made. Her on her throne sitting. A great black wolf on her right, with her hand gently on it's head. 

 

This is my ridiculous power fantasy. 

Can some wonderful artistically talented person make this happen?

[dragondreamer]

Morrigan implies that not even death will stop Flemeth from coming after her, so that helped with the guilt a little, since I figured she wouldn't entirely let her guard down.  My Warden liked Morrigan, but killing the old lady who saved his life was a little too much for his moral code at the time.  He thought Morrigan having the grimoire would be enough.

 

I don't think Solas really hates all Wardens as a rule though, he just hates when Wardens do dumb things.  And he has a point there.  (If Clarel had come to my Warden with the demons and blood magic idea, he would have thrown it back in her face.  He's done his fair share of shady things, but he has his limits.  He also would have pointed out that simply killing all the Archdemons might just result in endless uncontrollable Blight.  It's a dumb idea all around.)

[NightSymphony]

Random thought:  The dragon in Crestwood is so pretty!!  I hate killing dragons!!

[Addai]

I think some of Solas' anger at the Wardens is misplaced anger at himself. The Wardens had Corypheus jailed, but somehow he still grew in power to the point that he not only controlled the Wardens' minds, he was able to take and wield Solas' orb. The argument that the Wardens meddle in things they don't understand is true, but also a lot like his own big OOPS revelations.

Then again, the Wardens really look bad in a lot of instances outside our own HoF saving the day. When they're not saving the world they're trying to destroy it. They're the ones who were conspiring with the Architect to taint the whole world, for instance, and now Corypheus.

[Blackout62]

In my mind, once Lavellan reaches her height of her political power, she will have a painting made. Her on her throne sitting. A great black wolf on her right, with her hand gently on it's head. 

 

This is my ridiculous power fantasy. 

 

Huh, I always imagined the painting would be done by some human artist who not only didn't have Lavellan model for the paining but based her appearance off of second hand accounts, Dalish stereotypes, and the appearance of his current human lover who had big ears. It would be atrocious. Like sketches of native peoples by colonial Europeans.

 

Team cynicism.

[Sashimi_taco]

Can some wonderful artistically talented person make this happen?

 

I would love this so much. The would would be intimidating, but calm. I know that people like scary Solas (i do too). But if anything he would be a calm creature because he is endlessly old. 

[Sashimi_taco]

Huh, I always imagined the painting would be done by some human artist who not only didn't have Lavellan model for the paining but based her appearance off of second hand accounts, Dalish stereotypes, and the appearance of his current human lover who had big ears.  It would be atrocious. Like sketches of native peoples by colonial Europeans.

 

No stop you're ruining my fantasy! 

[Blackout62]

If it helps Lavellan Cassandra Vivienne has the artist killed imprisoned declared as completely unoriginal and shamelessly copying previous better painters.

[Sashimi_taco]

If it helps Lavellan Cassandra Vivienne has the artist killed imprisoned declared as completely unoriginal and shamelessly copying previous better painters.

 

Well the artist was ernest in his tribute. It does not seem fair to punish him. Strict and unfair rule will lead to a loss in loyalty from the people. The inquisitor has no birthright, only the love of the people she protected. So she must act accordingly. 

[caridounette]

I think some of Solas' anger at the Wardens is misplaced anger at himself. The Wardens had Corypheus jailed, but somehow he still grew in power to the point that he not only controlled the Wardens' minds, he was able to take and wield Solas' orb. The argument that the Wardens meddle in things they don't understand is true, but also a lot like his own big OOPS revelations.

Then again, the Wardens really look bad in a lot of instances outside our own HoF saving the day. When they're not saving the world they're trying to destroy it. They're the ones who were conspiring with the Architect to taint the whole world, for instance, and now Corypheus.

 

The Wardens certainly have their faults and it does trouble me that Solas cant see that if hed do anything to meet hi goals, hes jsut like them.

 

But from an in-game perspective, Solas could have explained why they are sorely mistaken and my Lavellan would have sent them away. But since he didnt, she prefered having wardens around for the darkspawn magister with his dragon. Could have turned out handy. (plus the chain of war table missions about darkspawn got the warden to do their sacrifice)

[zambixi]

Morrigan implies that not even death will stop Flemeth from coming after her, so that helped with the guilt a little, since I figured she wouldn't entirely let her guard down.  My Warden liked Morrigan, but killing the old lady who saved his life was a little too much for his moral code at the time.  He thought Morrigan having the grimoire would be enough.

 

I don't think Solas really hates all Wardens as a rule though, he just hates when Wardens do dumb things.  And he has a point there.  (If Clarel had come to my Warden with the demons and blood magic idea, he would have thrown it back in her face.  He's done his fair share of shady things, but he has his limits.  He also would have pointed out that simply killing all the Archdemons might just result in endless uncontrollable Blight.  It's a dumb idea all around.)

 

I have to admit that until DAI it had never occurred to me that killing all the archdemons wouldn't solve the problem of the blights.  I don't think my Warden would think going to look for the archdemons would be a good idea - considering what happened with the architect - but I doubt she'd think far enough ahead to think of what happens after all the Blights. I tend to think she was coerced into being a Warden and just did what she needed to do to get out of it. The fact that she's looking for a cure for the Calling works out well in that regard.

 

 

 

By the by, I'm getting a commission done for a Lavellan tarot and I may have asked that a wolf and halla be included (I definitely asked).  Tys (http://shutterbones....com/commissions) is working on it and just sent me the first sketch and I'm so excited so I have to share!:

 

Spoiler

[jellobell]

I don't think Solas really hates all Wardens as a rule though, he just hates when Wardens do dumb things.

Yep. I did Here Lies the Abyss right after his personal quest, and given the revelation that those bound demons used to be spirits the whole thing was quite horrifying. The Wardens are basically enslaving thousands of innocent creatures, as well as enslaving themselves to Corypheus, in order to kill Archdemons, which is not guaranteed to stop the blights and may actually make them worse. It's layers upon layers of stupid. My Inquisitor kept the Wardens around, but only after making an awesome speech about how monumentally dumb they'd been. And I didn't begrudge Solas his *disgusted noise* at my decision.

[dragondreamer]

I have a kinda funny story about the Flemeth dragon fight that's taken on a new dimension when I think about it now...  At least in headcanon land.  On one of my playthroughs, I wanted to try something or other at the beginning of the fight, so I didn't pay attention for about a minute.  I had Wynne (I think) out at a distance just doing basic attacks, and I was trying whatever it was with my Warden and a bow, while Alistair and Dog were tanking Flemeth.  Well, Alistair suddenly died, and I thought I would have to redo, so I just waited for Flemeth to kill everyone.  But Dog wouldn't die.  It was funny, because it looked like dragon Flemeth didn't really want to attack the dog, and just did these little swipes that the dog always seemed to dodge.  Eventually Flemeth died like that, to my disbelief.  After that, I had a headcanon that Flemeth had a soft spot for puppies...but now I wonder if the mabari reminded her too much of a wolf.

[electricfish]

Since we're talking about the Wardens, does anyone remember that huge pit in the...Hissing Wastes? One of the two desert areas where a codex entry implies that there's an Old God at the bottom. It mentions that the rock is very unstable, but theoretically it could be reached. Are the Old Gods magically asleep, or is there a possibility that with enough noise the Old God in the pit could wake up and crawl/fly up on its own?

 

What would happen if one of the Old Gods the Wardens almost unearthed awoke without Darkspawn taint?

[Sashimi_taco]

Did anyone else get really annoyed with Morrigan when she was talking down to TWO elves at the temple of mythal? Even if she didn't know about Solas, she should have respected his knowledge and race. I do love Morrigan and her sassy ways, but this was a little too far. 

 

It made me feel how anime bros make me feel when they tell me how to pronounce my own name. I DON'T CARE HOW YOUR WAIFU PRONOUNCES IT, IT'S MY NAME AND IT'S STILL MORE JAPANESE THAN YOU'LL EVER BE.

[TheComfyCat]

Just chatting with my good friend Dorian, and he reminded me of Team Optimism.

 

"An optimist! Such a rare breed. I've stumbled upon a unicorn!"

 

So Team Optimism is full of unicorns! We're just that awesome.

[jawsisinmywc]

If it helps Lavellan Cassandra Vivienne has the artist killed imprisoned declared as completely unoriginal and shamelessly copying previous better painters.

Or Cassandra just stabs the painting. 

[jellobell]

Since we're talking about the Wardens, does anyone remember that huge pit in the...Hissing Wastes? One of the two desert areas where a codex entry implies that there's an Old God at the bottom. It mentions that the rock is very unstable, but theoretically it could be reached. Are the Old Gods magically asleep, or is there a possibility that with enough noise the Old God in the pit could wake up and crawl/fly up on its own?

I remember that. I think it was in the Western Approach.

 

I...have no idea. I always thought that the Old Gods were magically imprisoned somehow, and only the Darkspawn or the taint could get through to them. I really wish we knew more about the connection between the Darkspawn, the Blight, and the Old Gods. 

 

Just chatting with my good friend Dorian, and he reminded me of Team Optimism.

Which conversation is this?

[zambixi]

Since we're talking about the Wardens, does anyone remember that huge pit in the...Hissing Wastes? One of the two desert areas where a codex entry implies that there's an Old God at the bottom. It mentions that the rock is very unstable, but theoretically it could be reached. Are the Old Gods magically asleep, or is there a possibility that with enough noise the Old God in the pit could wake up and crawl/fly up on its own?

 

What would happen if one of the Old Gods the Wardens almost unearthed awoke without Darkspawn taint?

 

Depends on whether or not they are already corrupted and how they become corrupted. It half-wonder if the Blight started with them anyway, and that's why they're locked away. In either case, they didn't seem to be particularly nice and happy deities. Probably wouldn't be good for Thedas.

 

 

Did anyone else get really annoyed with Morrigan when she was talking down to TWO elves at the temple of mythal? Even if she didn't know about Solas, she should have respected his knowledge and race. I do love Morrigan and her sassy ways, but this was a little too far. 

 

It made me feel how anime bros make me feel when they tell me how to pronounce my own name. I DON'T CARE HOW YOUR WAIFU PRONOUNCES IT, IT'S MY NAME AND IT'S STILL MORE JAPANESE THAN YOU'LL EVER BE.

 

I don't know if it makes it better or worse that she believes they're just some random cult of elves. I don't think she believes they're ancient elves until she drinks from the well or meets Mythal.

 

Just chatting with my good friend Dorian, and he reminded me of Team Optimism.

 

"An optimist! Such a rare breed. I've stumbled upon a unicorn!"

 

So Team Optimism is full of unicorns! We're just that awesome.

 

Even more appropriate since the BW team said this thread was full of unicorns before Inquistion came out (and before my time here, sadly)

[Lorien19]

Depends on whether or not they are already corrupted and how they become corrupted. It half-wonder if the Blight started with them anyway, and that's why they're locked away. In either case, they didn't seem to be particularly nice and happy deities. Probably wouldn't be good for Thedas.



I don't know if it makes it better or worse that she believes they're just some random cult of elves. I don't think she believes they're ancient elves until she drinks from the well or meets Mythal.


Even more appropriate since the BW team said this thread was full of unicorns before Inquistion came out (and before my time here, sadly)

Welcome to the Solas thread,seat of puppy-eyed,heartbroken Lavellans and fluffy unicorns!It's difficult not to feel cosy in here.

[dragondreamer]

I have to admit that until DAI it had never occurred to me that killing all the archdemons wouldn't solve the problem of the blights.  I don't think my Warden would think going to look for the archdemons would be a good idea - considering what happened with the architect - but I doubt she'd think far enough ahead to think of what happens after all the Blights. I tend to think she was coerced into being a Warden and just did what she needed to do to get out of it. The fact that she's looking for a cure for the Calling works out well in that regard.

 

 

 

By the by, I'm getting a commission done for a Lavellan tarot and I may have asked that a wolf and halla be included (I definitely asked).  Tys (http://shutterbones....com/commissions) is working on it and just sent me the first sketch and I'm so excited so I have to share!:

 

Spoiler

 

My Surana had little to do in the Circle growing up except read, so I imagine he knows a few things.  It's mentioned in one of the Origins codexes I remember that there's a lingering question about what will happen when all the Archdemons are dead.  Since the call of the Archdemons is what keeps the darkspawn searching underground, it's possible the moment the call doesn't exist anymore, they could all pour up to the surface, with nothing to stop them.  The more optimistic view is that the Blights will just magically end, but that's a massive risk to take...  And the Warden saw in Amaranthine what happens when darkspawn are no longer controlled by the call of the Archdemons, so that would have influenced his views even further.  But my Warden killed the Architect, he has no tolerance for the Blight in any way.

 

Yep. I did Here Lies the Abyss right after his personal quest, and given the revelation that those bound demons used to be spirits the whole thing was quite horrifying. The Wardens are basically enslaving thousands of innocent creatures, as well as enslaving themselves to Corypheus, in order to kill Archdemons, which is not guaranteed to stop the blights and may actually make them worse. It's layers upon layers of stupid. My Inquisitor kept the Wardens around, but only after making an awesome speech about how monumentally dumb they'd been. And I didn't begrudge Solas his *disgusted noise* at my decision.

 

Yep.  And I suspect he's not a fan of killing the Archdemons either...

[TheComfyCat]

 

Which conversation is this?

 

 

It's during the first conversation you have with him when you get to Skyhold.

 

Dorian: No one will thank me, whatever happens. No one will thank you, either. You know that, yes?

Inquisitor: We don't know what will happen. Nobody does.

Dorian: An optimist! Such a rare breed. I've stumbled upon a unicorn!

[Mims]

I definitely get the sense that killing all the old gods might bring about huge problems for the world. Sort of like in Warcraft- without a Lich King, the scourge would just attack at random and overwhelm the world.