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[Mims]

I'm sure Solas has had past loves- Andruil seems fairly likely, albeit more of a love-hate relationship. It would be a bit silly to assume that he'd never love anyone prior when we're talking about thousands of years of life.

 

I mostly just protest having him involved with too much history. Being Fen'Harel alone is more than enough for one character to contain. We don't need to have Mythal and Fen'Harel somehow have a hand in every major event in Thedas history. It just removes a bit of the narrative weight of it all. 

 

There's far more evidence to suggest he was responsible for the fall of the elven empire. And that's really enough. Similarly, I don't think Flemeth/Mythal need to be Andraste when they have so much else that is narratively important to do. [Some might even argue having Flemeth be Mythal is already a bit too weighty.] 

[NeverlandHunter]

That must be why the text only say "may die" instead of "will die" during that one quest. ...And also why Hawke likes Fenris so much. :B

Oh my gosh I am so curious about this! What'd you mean may die...may? May!
My Hawke lurves Fenris so much she's willing to give up her life to save a bunch of people she just met and spare a Grey Warden whose duty is to ultimately sacrifice themselves... oh wait. She actually loves him so much she's going to keep him safe by not having him along with her, because fighting Tevinter slavers is sooo much safer. In fact, I think it's all so much safer than the time Hawke took Fenris to the deep roads and fought ancient evils, or the time she brought him along to fight a dragon, or the time he helped her fight Qunari, or the other time when he felt obligated to fight the templars with her. I mean my Hawke is feels so guilty about releasing Corypheus that she swears to take him down only to go disappear on us before he's defeated. She also hates blood magic even though she supported Merrill and was good friends with her. Err, goodness Hawke, make up your mind!

I don't want history to repeat itself. No Andraste as Solas's lover please. I hate hate hate the idea of playing a romance where the character will just be a reflection of a past lover.

Yeah, I don't find the idea of reincarnation that romantic. I mean, I want you to love me for me, not for a memory of a love we shared in the past.

   
 
OK, that could just be coincidence, but if it's not-     
 
I do get the feeling that a lot of the different mythologies in Dragon Age are more connected then we originally thought. Not sure if I believe Solas is the maker just yet, but his whole thing about a God not having to prove their power certainly fits.
 
 
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BioWare already said they wouldn't confirm or deny the Maker. He is to close to real life God and it could offend people. Not that I think BioWare should be overly pandering but I like that the Maker is ambiguous. It leaves my characters questioning whether or not there is a higher power, something after death. Even my Lavellan isn't entirely dismissive of the idea of the Maker, and my Trevelyan rogue wants to believe but has a hard time understanding why any creator would leave in world in such despair.
Plus, if anyone is the Maker, it's definitely Sandal.
With that note, anyone else immensely disappointed they didn't run into Sandal and Bohdan at the Winter Palace? Can you guys imagine a conversation between Cole and Sandal O_O? I would pay to see that.

[what-the-honk]

I want to dislike my own post -cries-

   

 

yknow when solas said that i always got the itching feeling that he was gonna say something else but went with "the FADE" because he didnt wanna give away that he's old as balls.

 

also dont worry i think solas' story wont be as much of a mindfrick that we're expecting... but its always good to be prepared B^)

[Abyss108]

I guess I don't really get jealous of ex girlfriends. He's been alive for thousands of years, I don't lay claim to him for all eternity. That would be possessive and disrespectful to him as a person. 

 

I'm fine with exgirlfriends. He's been around forever, I'm sure he's got tons! It's just how similar the story would be if it was Andraste that bugs me. It just makes it seem like he doesn't love you for you, he just has a thing for hooking up with mortal women who change the world. 

[SamanthaJ]

Gets the Inquisitor killed, goes to sleep for a thousand more years :|

 

Now I remember.. him saying..

 

"You have shown wisdom I have not seen since... Since my deepest journeys into the ancient memories of the fade"

 

Now imagine he speaks about meeting Andraste in her dreams.

 

I hate this.

This is horrible.

I interpreted that comment as him thinking she possesses the wisdom he saw in the ancient elves of Arlathan back when elves where speshul, if that helps. 

[jellobell]

I'm DragonRacer13 on PS4.

Sent you a friend request!

 

And not every important elf/godlike figure can be Solas. I think the similarities with the Maker mean more that the Maker was attributed with something Solas did (i.e. sealing the elven gods/old gods away). Perhaps the Old Gods were already sealed under the earth when Tevinter rose to prominence.

 

Also, I feel dumb now. I had no idea you could hide the HUD! That was pretty much the only thing stopping me from turning this playthrough into a photoshoot.

 

I'm in the grove of Ghilan'nain right now and there is some gorgeous lighting in the puzzle room.

 

 

Such pretty blue eyes. 

 

Also, the puzzle itself is very very interesting.

 

 

The wolf pillars are preventing the archer in the middle from activating artifacts that look very similar to the tree things from the crossroads. A representation of Fen'harel trying to keep something contained, perhaps?

[electricfish]

While the stories may be similar, I don't think Andraste was Solas' lover. I like to think it's much more likely that she was a mage who found excellent council in a Spirit of Wisdom, which may have changed to love over time. Explains why the "Maker" was speaking to her in dreams.

[NeverlandHunter]

With science!

Except Dragon Age science involves humors...probably leaching too.
So maybe Magic! Instead!
Magic can do anything!

[Mims]

I interpreted that comment as him thinking she possesses the wisdom he saw in the ancient elves of Arlathan back when elves where speshul, if that helps. 

 

The way he pauses and then adds the fade part almost to correct himself, I would agree with this. We already know Solas uses 'from the fade' as a catch all for the majority of his lying. IE; 'When were you ever at court?' ect. 

[DragonRacer]

Stole an idea from someone here. Don't remember who originally did it.

 

Finally got the Keeper Robe schematic to drop from the Highland Ravager dragon in Emprise du Lion. Meaning instead of keeping Solas in his spiffy Ancient Elven Robes, I could now craft ones identical in look but much better in stats. Custom naming, FTW.

 

Spoiler

 

I am waaaaaaay too easily amused. 

[what-the-honk]

The way he pauses and then adds the fade part almost to correct himself, I would agree with this. We already know Solas uses 'from the fade' as a catch all for the majority of his lying. IE; 'When were you ever at court?' ect. 

 

honestly just dont ask solas anything bc he'll just say the fade

 

inky: "how are you?"

solas: "the fade"

inky: "oh... o-okay"

[Sah291]

If they are the same I kind of hope that the entire Andraste-being-wife-of-the-Maker is a bad interpretation by humans, because yes, if Solas fell in love with Andraste it'll feel a lot less special. Then you'll just have to ask yourself if he compares her to Andraste and ugh, no, stop this horrible thought train.

Talk about the ultimate bioware dead wife romance trope. Oh man, Lol.

I don't think he's really the maker though. I think it's likely he did have something to do with the veil going up, however. There was clearly some historical event involving the veil, the golden city and the old gods being imprisoned. The humans might have attributed whatever happened to the maker.

[Sashimi_taco]

I really think with the andraste thing a lot of parallels are made between you and her. And this is OUTSIDE of the romance. 

 

He can still have that "love" connection to the inquisitor even if he doesn't romance them. Love can be friendship or caring or respect. Things he gives the inquisitor not matter what the outcome. 

 

He could have loved andraste as a daughter. The maker came to her in dreams she was a child. That would make sense.

 

And mythals is his best friend. He loved her as such. 

[Shari'El]

I interpreted that comment as him thinking she possesses the wisdom he saw in the ancient elves of Arlathan back when elves where speshul, if that helps. 

 

Yes. Thank you.

It helps somewhat.

 

This horrible discussion just sparked ideas in my mind that make me really sad about this romance :|

 

It's really a stretch for him to be Shartan who is impersonating the Maker when visiting Andraste in her dreams (I've managed to made it worse than the original theory) while also being Fen'Harel and the one responsible for fall of Arlathan by locking ALL OF THE FREAKIN' "GODS" IN THE WORLD. Even if it says the in designer notes that

Spoiler

he's been sleeping for 1000 years, which means he has been sleeping pretty much from the days of Andraste

 

It's such a stretch I'll rage quit and won't play DA if turns out to be true

 

Luckily the chances of that are low.

 

Right?

Right

[DragonRacer]

Sent you a friend request!

 

And not every important elf/godlike figure can be Solas. I think the similarities with the Maker mean more that the Maker was attributed with something Solas did (i.e. sealing the elven gods/old gods away). Perhaps the Old Gods were already sealed under the earth when Tevinter rose to prominence.

 

Also, I feel dumb now. I had no idea you could hide the HUD! That was pretty much the only thing stopping me from turning this playthrough into a photoshoot.

 

I'm in the grove of Ghilan'nain right now and there is some gorgeous lighting in the puzzle room.

 

 

Such pretty blue eyes. 

 

Also, the puzzle itself is very very interesting.

 

 

The wolf pillars are preventing the archer in the middle from activating artifacts that look very similar to the tree things from the crossroads. A representation of Fen'harel trying to keep something contained, perhaps?

 

Cool!

 

Nice shots!

 

Also, wow, good pick-up on the wolf statues blocking the archer's shot. I did that puzzle so long ago, I'd forgotten about that. 

[Tielis]

Also, the puzzle itself is very very interesting.

 

 

The wolf pillars are preventing the archer in the middle from activating artifacts that look very similar to the tree things from the crossroads. A representation of Fen'harel trying to keep something contained, perhaps?

 

Wait, wait, where is this?!  I'm still limping through my completionist playthough to catch everything I missed when I rushed my first game in order to... be broken up with.  

 

Anyhow, Ghilan'nain is associated with Andruil, who is the huntress.  Maybe Andruil is the one trying to free the Creators?  Maybe through Abyss magic that she picked up?

[SamanthaJ]

It's funny because when Solas uses "the Fade" excuse it still isn't exactly lying. I'm sure he's seen a lot of ancient wisdom and court intrigue in the Fade. It's like the ultimate loophole or something.

[Sashimi_taco]

HEY JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT AT THIS PICTURE OF SHARTAN

 

HOLDING A ORB

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

 

 

[NeverlandHunter]

I just don't see it, personally. For one, Solas had no idea Mythal had survived. So he couldn't have been working with her as Andraste, unless it was the biggest of all coincidences that she later came into possession of Mythal's spark. 
 
Solas is not the only entity capable of communicating via dreams. Nor is Flemeth/Mythal the only two women who have ever been betrayed.

Yeah. Everyone's seeing this connection because of similar betrayals, but betrayals are like the number one story criteria for epic legends/stories. How many Judas like characters do we have in literature today? Tooooons. It's easy to hate someone who betrays a good persons trust so you have a betrayer in a story so you can get behind why the main character hates them, or why you should hate them or pity the victim(s).

[Mims]

Wait, wait, where is this?!  I'm still limping through my completionist playthough to catch everything I missed when I rushed my first game in order to... be broken up with.  

 

Anyhow, Ghilan'nain is associated with Andruil, who is the huntress.  Maybe Andruil is the one trying to free the Creators?  Maybe through Abyss magic that she picked up?

 

Andruil as Solas's rival could definitely work. We do know that she traveled into the void, and was corrupted by it. She would also have reasonable cause to have an elevated hate towards him. She was strong enough that it took Mythal three days to quell her. 

[SamanthaJ]

Andruil as Solas's rival could definitely work. We do know that she traveled into the void, and was corrupted by it. She would also have reasonable cause to have an elevated hate towards him. She was strong enough that it took Mythal three days to quell her. 

Maybe she's tag teaming with Falon'Din. 

[jellobell]

Wait, wait, where is this?!  I'm still limping through my completionist playthough to catch everything I missed when I rushed my first game in order to... be broken up with.  

The Grove of Ghilan'nain in the Exalted Plains. You've got to find the entrance and then do a war table mission in order to have it excavated. That opens up a new area with a camp. The puzzle room is somewhere in there.

[Tielis]

Andruil as Solas's rival could definitely work. We do know that she traveled into the void, and was corrupted by it. She would also have reasonable cause to have an elevated hate towards him. She was strong enough that it took Mythal three days to quell her. 

 

And (Clan) Lavellan's tarot card is a stag...  I was disappointed that my Dalish Hunter Lavellan didn't keep the wolf/fennec card in the Codex.

[Prince of Keys]

The Grove of Ghilan'nain in the Exalted Plains. You've got to find the entrance and then do a war table mission in order to have it excavated. That opens up a new area with a camp. The puzzle room is somewhere in there.

 

The first time I went there, I accidentally locked Solas in a cage while I was solving the puzzle... >_>

[NeverlandHunter]

I HONESTLY DONT UNDERSTAND PPL WHO ARE LIKE "solas is racist bc he only romances elves!" or whatever like open-mindedness doesn't exactly mean you want to have sex with everyone

Solas is a bit racist, but I wouldn't say because of his romantic preferences (I have preferences too) but because he has these set ideas of how humans (Qunari/Dwarves/and even other elves) should act and will even have a conversation about how you aren't like how I think humans (Q/D/E) should behave.
Someone posted that it was his racist compliment conversation (a good description original poster!) And he will say how you behave just like he expected your race to if you get him angry enough.