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[Shari'El]

In regards to the wolf statues...

 

We see two types in DAI:

 

One where the wolf is sitting with head tilted up and back as if howling. We see this one specifically at the Offering to the Dread Wolf shrine in the Exalted Plains (one black wolf and one white wolf, even), but also scattered throughout elven ruins and temples. Which seems to clearly represent Fen'Harel.

 

These:

 

 

The other is the more "relaxed" pose, with the wolf laying on its side and head looking towards you/the distance. These are all over the Exalted Plains and in various elven ruins (Temple of Dirthamen had several). The one at the starting camp in the Emerald Graves gives you a codex entry on how wolves were partnered with the Emerald Knights. So, it seems this style of wolf statue represents either those wolves or the Knights.

 

These:

 

 

I have a wonder if there is any relationship between that at all.

 

I must say, having all these statues makes Solas feel even more important.

It makes me all giddy, I wonder how Solas feels when part of the party while walking through these areas.

 

Edit: and yes, as Prince of Keys said - both status represent Fen'Harel.

Emerald graves has these status facing outwards in suitable camp areas + the fact that the laying statue appears in Temple of Mythal with a codex about Fen'Harel.

[Ananka]

 

I picked that option for my Quizzy. Would have been such an adorable scene without the copious amount of clipping.

[Kulyok]

@ Halamshiral Video

Oooooohhhh. I hate it when those things happen in moments like that!

Like when you ask Solas for a dance in the deeper female voice, the voice switches to male for a line (!) and it's pretty damn awkward!

I'm also not sure if the comma in "Ar lath, ma vhenan" is in the right position... is it?

(Why, Bioware? Why?)

 

It's "Ar lath ma, vhenan" - "I love you, my heart". (And, yes, I sigh every time people write "ma vhenan" in fanfics. )

[DragonRacer]

In the Temple of Mythal, the second type of statue (the "relaxed" wolf) is the one that triggers the conversation between Morrigan and Solas about Fen'Harel, so in that case (at least) it's meant to represent him. 

 

...I remember that it was definitely that kind of statue because I was jumping all over it while they were talking. >_>

 

Hmmm, curious. I'm still winding my way through my first playthrough, so I haven't reached the Temple of Mythal yet (it's currently sitting there in my queue to do once I've finished a few other things), although I'm spoiled, obviously. But little details like that I don't know yet.

 

So. Fascinating. Both have been used to represent him... still makes me curious what tie there could be between Fen'Harel and the wolves that protected the Emerald Knights? Because I want to think there's something there, lost to the mists of time since the modern Dalish only think ill of ol' Fen.

[Shari'El]

Hmmm, curious. I'm still winding my way through my first playthrough, so I haven't reached the Temple of Mythal yet (it's currently sitting there in my queue to do once I've finished a few other things), although I'm spoiled, obviously. But little details like that I don't know yet.

 

So. Fascinating. Both have been used to represent him... still makes me curious what tie there could be between Fen'Harel and the wolves that protected the Emerald Knights? Because I want to think there's something there, lost to the mists of time since the modern Dalish only think ill of ol' Fen.

 

Possibly

The codex about the Emerald Knights shows up in this thread every one in a while.

 

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In our eyes everything related to wolves is related to Fen'Harel :|

 

 

Just kidding, but it seems likely.

[Cezelle]

I've been wondering about that....I got that message near the Warden outpost in Emprise du Lion. I figured it was all the darkspawn that could blight him and turn him into an archdemon. The storm coast has darkspawn as well, was it near one of the Deep Road entrances?

 

Indeed, the storm coast does have darkspawn, I had sealed all the entrances by the time I did the red templar quest though, but there weren't any darkspawn in the stronghold when Solas spoke up, only red templars and red lyrium. I don't think I encountered anything else in that place but those two.

[SamanthaJ]

I like the idea that Fen'Harel had some kind of guardian role at some point in time and the Emerald Knights chose wolf protectors based on that or something.

[Abyss108]

It's weird they would choose a wolf to represent the trickster God, when wolves were seen as loyal companions. I think its another hint that the stories about Fen'Harel aren't what they seem. Theres gotta be a link between the dread wolf and these other ones!

[Addai]

Popping in real quick to share this banter between Iron Bull and Solas that I found very interesting. I omitted the side-comments from Dorian and Vivienne, but you can listen to the whole thing here if you prefer.
 

Spoiler

Iron Bull:
You're not as flashy as most mages, Solas.
The Tevinter mages in Seheron tried to scare us with what they could do.
Dorian has this sh*t-eating grin after every spell, like he's waiting for applause.
Vivienne has this little swagger, like she knows she's the most dangerous thing in the room.
Not the quiet elven mage though. No frills, nothing to give you away. Half our targets never even see you coming.
 
Solas:
I shall take that as a compliment.
 
Iron Bull:
If you like.

 
This makes me think, Bull must have felt that there was something suspicious about Solas early on, but he couldn't quite put his finger on it. Dude is perceptive.

OMG, that's lovely.

I want an interrupt on that dialogue with... Blackwall, I think? Where he says Solas doesn't seem self-taught, because all self-taught warriors he knows have a certain clunk to their style. Solas demurs (sneaky bastard) by saying "maybe, not having magic, you just don't know when my magic clunks." I'm certain that his magic SO does not clunk. I want Lavellan to lift a finger and go on about how elegant Solas' casting is.
 

Possibly
The codex about the Emerald Knights shows up in this thread every one in a while.
 
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In our eyes everything related to wolves is related to Fen'Harel :|
 
 
Just kidding, but it seems likely.

I don't think we're Solavating there. The resemblance to the Dalish statues is too not-coincidental, and as mentioned we get explicit codex on Fen'Harel from one of them that looks just like those. Maybe the Emerald Knights were a faction who remembered Fen'Harel's true role as guardian of the People's freedom. Edit: Even the Dalish thought that he wards off bad spirits has that connotation to it.

[Shari'El]

It's weird they would choose a wolf to represent the trickster God, when wolves were seen as loyal companions. I think its another hint that the stories about Fen'Harel aren't what they seem. Theres gotta be a link between the dread wolf and these other ones!

 

That's true, wolves represent many things in many religions and mythologies, but never something like that.

Quick search gave me these:

Loyalty

Cunning

Generosity

Intelligence

Friendliness

Compassionate

Communication

 

Stereotypically the trickster is a fox is or a coyote.

[LliiraAnna]

It's weird they would choose a wolf to represent the trickster God, when wolves were seen as loyal companions. I think its another hint that the stories about Fen'Harel aren't what they seem. Theres gotta be a link between the dread wolf and these other ones!

Doesn't Fen'Harel mean "Rebel Wolf" or something close? I'm pretty sure I've seen "Great Wolf" out there somewhere, as well. Also, if he was considered evil, why would his statue be in the temple of Mythal in the first place? 

[DragonRacer]

It's weird they would choose a wolf to represent the trickster God, when wolves were seen as loyal companions. I think its another hint that the stories about Fen'Harel aren't what they seem. Theres gotta be a link between the dread wolf and these other ones!

 

Maybe he was not always viewed as a trickster? 

 

For one, wasn't there something said late in the game about "Harel" being mistranslated? That it means "rebel" or "rebellion" instead of "trickery"? Please correct me if I picked that up in error somewhere along the way.

 

Secondly, I can see him being viewed possibly as a protective force and then, when the other "gods" disappeared and the tale of betrayal started among the Dalish, that could be when the trickster title was earned?

 

Of course, who knows what's going on or went on, considering so much of modern Dalish lore is wrong/distorted.

[SamanthaJ]

Maybe he was not always viewed as a trickster? 

 

For one, wasn't there something said late in the game about "Harel" being mistranslated? That it means "rebel" or "rebellion" instead of "trickery"? Please correct me if I picked that up in error somewhere along the way.

 

Secondly, I can see him being viewed possibly as a protective force and then, when the other "gods" disappeared and the tale of betrayal started among the Dalish, that could be when the trickster title was earned?

 

Of course, who knows what's going on or went on, considering so much of modern Dalish lore is wrong/distorted.

Didn't the codex talk about how the word harellan show up until a certain age or something? 

 

http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God

 

Yeah, it says it didn't show up until the Towers Age.

[javeart]

It's "Ar lath ma, vhenan" - "I love you, my heart". (And, yes, I sigh every time people write "ma vhenan" in fanfics. )

 

I had the same doubt, especially because even solas seems to be making the pause between lath and ma, instead of between ma and vhenan... how he says it, it sounds to me like "ar lath"= i love you, "ma vehnan"= my heart, though I know it's not suppossed to be like that... kind of bothers me (a little) every time I watch that scene 

[Shari'El]

Maybe he was not always viewed as a trickster? 

 

For one, wasn't there something said late in the game about "Harel" being mistranslated? That it means "rebel" or "rebellion" instead of "trickery"? Please correct me if I picked that up in error somewhere along the way.

 

Secondly, I can see him being viewed possibly as a protective force and then, when the other "gods" disappeared and the tale of betrayal started among the Dalish, that could be when the trickster title was earned?

 

Of course, who knows what's going on or went on, considering so much of modern Dalish lore is wrong/distorted.

 

Didn't the codex talk about how the word harellan (sp?) show up until a certain age or something?

 

Yes & yes, as far as I recall.

I'm fairly certain that Fen'Harel was the protector/guardian of the people or something of the sort, that would fit better with what wolves stand for, in general.

[Addai]

It's "Ar lath ma, vhenan" - "I love you, my heart". (And, yes, I sigh every time people write "ma vhenan" in fanfics. )

Merrill has a battle shout "ma vhenan" when a romanced Hawke takes a dive in battle.

[scintilla]

Merrill has a battle shout "ma vhenan" when a romanced Hawke takes a dive in battle.

 

She calls Hawke "ma vhenan" several times throughout the romance, which is probably why there's confusion.

[javeart]

Merrill has a battle shout "ma vhenan" when a romanced Hawke takes a dive in battle.

 but doesn't the "ar lath" needs the "ma"?

[Hattress]

Didn't the codex talk about how the word harellan show up until a certain age or something? 

 

http://dragonage.wik...:_The_Rebel_God

 

Yeah, it says it didn't show up until the Towers Age.

yep, and the Exalted March and fall of Dales happened in the Glory Age, the one right before Tower Age

[Addai]

but doesn't the "ar lath" needs the "ma"?

"Ma" means both you and my/mine. Example, "ma serannas"-thank you- translates to "my thanks."

So "ma vhenan" is "my heart."

It could be a way to emphasize. I'm trying to think of an example. In Turkish, canim is "my soul" (darling) and "canim benim" is literally "my soul mine" - a more poetic way to say it.

[Kulyok]

They really should unify this language stuff. Especially since the original In Uthenera song uses "heruamin", where amin is used as "my", too.

(Me being Russian doesn't help: "my sa'lath" sounds exactly like "my salad" in Russian).

[DragonRacer]

I like the idea that Fen'Harel had some kind of guardian role at some point in time and the Emerald Knights chose wolf protectors based on that or something.

 

Oooooh.

 

Ooohhh oooohhh oooohhh, I just had a thought!

 

The theory going around about Fen'Harel sealing away the elven pantheon and the Forgotten Ones in order to try and protect/save The People from the insanity that was starting to rack them?

 

What if he did that specifically because he was meant to be The People's protector/guardian? 

 

And then it backfired in his face when the entire empire fell into ruin.

[scintilla]

 but doesn't the "ar lath" needs the "ma"?

 

"Ma" means both you and my/mine. Example, "ma serannas"-thank you- translates to "my thanks."

So "ma vhenan" is "my heart."

 

Solas calling the Inquisitor "vhenan" rather than "ma vhenan" as a greeting suggests that the comma is in the right place.

 

However, Merrill uses "ma vhenan" for Hawke - after All That Remains and before the final battle in addition to her cry when Hawke falls.

 

The two different uses are causing confusion. We're probably thinking more deeply about this than the devs did. Solas appears to omit the possessive "ma" which could be a particular of his speech (maybe more common a couple thousand years ago?) or the devs simply changed their minds about how they wanted it to go.

[Adynata]

It's weird they would choose a wolf to represent the trickster God, when wolves were seen as loyal companions. I think its another hint that the stories about Fen'Harel aren't what they seem. Theres gotta be a link between the dread wolf and these other ones!

 

Maybe from the old adage "Wolf in sheep's clothing." Not so much that the wolf is tricky, but, like Red Riding Hood's wolf, it is seen as a very smart and cleverly disguised adversary.

 

I don't think we're Solavating there. 

 

lmao @ "solavating"

[AWTEW]

The Miranda thread wars were legendary. That was about when I left BSN- without the character threads to talk about, it just wasn't the same. Glad that DA now has some characters I feel interested in discussing! 
 
Does anyone have a version of the knight enchanter dialogue if you are an elf? Unfortunately I had so much approval with Solas when I got to Skyhold that I chained all of his scenes at once and never got his specialization talks.

It all seems kind of stupid now tbh..and yeah I left the bsn for similar reasons. The heart and soul of the bsn has always been in the character threads.  

What would they be, though? They're in areas with elven temples and ruins. All the Dalish camps have the tiny little Fen'Harel statues facing outward. I think this is just an in-your-face redemption of the Dread Wolf. Can you say, in a roundabout and uncontroversial way, what was causing drama? Cullen's so bland, I just can't imagine what the fuss was about. Ack!! My KE would have loved this dialogue.That's it. Replaying Lavellan game AGAIN. I'm in that dead zone anyway. You know the one, when Solas drops his bomb and suddenly all those side quests you were going to finish before the end game seem like drudgery.

I belive the cullen issue was before DAI's release, so maybe a lot of it was pent up excitement/frustration. I went into the cullen thread for a few pages when it was turning bad, and then quickly left. Im not sure what the 'straw was that broke the camels back' but it had something to do with bullying and..urrgh those involved ranted on tumblr about who really was to blame. So i just. blocked the cullen search tag and that was that.