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[what-the-honk]

Hi everyone! Took me long enough to catch up  with the thread

 

So heres my 2 cents on all of this...

 

I cant help but feel like this whole 'did he love someone else - did he have a hand in other big events' as part of why we cant have good things. And I am totally against dumping all big events on Solas and making him the be all end all of the whole Thedas.. like anyone else couldnt have had things done in the last few thousand years.

 

But. I feel we are somewhat giving him reason to keep his identity secret. To avoid the whole 'so maybe you and Adraste...' Nope, the guy doesnt need that right now and the Inquisition is busy and need to stay on track.

 

He found the one person who isnt slinging him right to his past mistakes, an anchor to the present. As much as I find umcomfortable to know more then my Lavellan does, I believe he intended it that way and it may not be such a bad thing. It gave him a chance to live a little instead of running after his tail trying to fix things that will eventually break apart again (not that we really made him stop. yet.)

 

Its like the whole 'is he good or bad' debate. It takes a much wider sense when you get to see all the decisions you made have long term consequences. We cant really look at things the same way: who's to say the Inquisition wont bring more hurts in a hundred years? All Lavellan knows is that he is / can be a good person in the moment. That his decisions seem to come from a good place. Just like ours id presume.

 

Dont get me wrong I love all the theorycrafting going on in the thread, but that doesnt affect what my Lavellan sees of Solas. Shartan/Maker/etc theories dont take away from their starcrossed romance where they both got to learn about themselves in a way they never thought possible (she learned about her roots / he learned about the present). Now if we could get more interaction between them and some closure ...

 

i love coming up with theories, i don't think there's a bad one out there. i love reading other people's theories too, regardless of what they are, because it just gives an insight on how others view these characters, or how they COULD view them. 

 

i dont think coming up with theories is giving him a reason to keep his identity secret bc 1) he's fictional and 2) what inquisitor would ask about andraste when talking about elven gods? i think theorising is just a good way to bring a sense of community and understanding, especially because most of the theories i've seen have been discussed civilly. like don't get me wrong, solas has plenty of reason to keep his identity secret, but i don't think this is one of them.

 

what is dragon age if not thought provoking? theories gives us a chance to unleash our own creativity, to have fun as we think outside of the box, even if we're way off what the actual answer is. i think coming up with ridiculous theories that are likely not true is leagues better than nobody bothering to come up with anything at all, in my opinion.

 

but i think no matter how old solas is, no matter how much history he's been involved in, no matter what he's done, we can almost all agree that he's got good intentions at the root of it all, even if it's buried in mistakes and grievances. 

[DragonRacer]

May the dread wolf take you, for suggesting such a thing.

 

Can I just say how much I love (and am humored) by the fact that we've taken a Dalish curse and morphed it into a forum blessing? 

[Renmiri1]

I know I'm a bit late, but I'll be graduating with a degree in Linguistics this Spring and I kind of want to do a giant analysis of all the Elvish we have available as a summer project before grad school... has anyone done that already?

do you study conlang too ?

 

The reason I ask is because the Bioware Elvish is not really a language is just a code. Like "sun = Ava, Moon =" Dir", Dog = Aws, but with a lot more words, no syntax or roots or such. Real languages and conlang have a lot more to it. "Conlang" is when people create new languages with grammar and other stuff, like the Game of Thrones language.

 

If you would like, we can talk more on PM.

[k_drake]

do you study conlang too ?

 

The reason I ask is because the Bioware Elvish is not really a language is just a code. Like "sun = Ava, Moon =" Dir", Dog = Aws, but with a lot more words, no syntax or roots or such. Real languages and conlang have a lot more to it. "Conlang" is when people create new languages with grammar and other stuff, like the Game of Thrones language.

 

If you would like, we can talk more on PM.

Yeah, they'd have to do a lot more work to make DA elvish resemble an actual language.  OT: Does anyone know if Drow is conlang?

[caridounette]

i love coming up with theories, i don't think there's a bad one out there. i love reading other people's theories too, regardless of what they are, because it just gives an insight on how others view these characters, or how they COULD view them. 

 

i dont think coming up with theories is giving him a reason to keep his identity secret bc 1) he's fictional and 2) what inquisitor would ask about andraste when talking about elven gods? i think theorising is just a good way to bring a sense of community and understanding, especially because most of the theories i've seen have been discussed civilly. like don't get me wrong, solas has plenty of reason to keep his identity secret, but i don't think this is one of them.

 

what is dragon age if not thought provoking? theories gives us a chance to unleash our own creativity, to have fun as we think outside of the box, even if we're way off what the actual answer is. i think coming up with ridiculous theories that are likely not true is leagues better than nobody bothering to come up with anything at all, in my opinion.

 

but i think no matter how old solas is, no matter how much history he's been involved in, no matter what he's done, we can almost all agree that he's got good intentions at the root of it all, even if it's buried in mistakes and grievances. 

 

Like i said, I enjoy all the theories. Its what makes this thread more meaningful then many romance threads. I was just a little moved by seeing how the theories affect others, and I wanted to comment. Even if Solas backstory ends up way too complicated in term or lore, Lavellan gets to know the person behind the god. Lucky her  

[nightwolf667]

Hey Wolf Pack! Are we still doing Solas/Solavellan songs? Because the entire Of Monsters and Men album "My Head is an Animal" is an ear worm for me at the moment. Love Love Love, Your Bones, and Yellow Light being highlights.

 

Spoiler

"Love Love Love"
 

Well, maybe I'm a crook for stealing your heart away
Yeah, maybe I'm a crook for not caring for it
Yeah, maybe I'm a bad, bad, bad, bad person
Well, baby, I know.

And these fingertips
Will never run through your skin
And those bright blue eyes
Can only meet mine across the room filled with people that are less important than you.

All 'cause you love, love, love
When you know I can't love
You love, love, love
When you know I can't love
You love, love, love
When you know I can't love you

So I think it's best we both forget before we dwell on it
The way you held me so tight
All through the night
'Til it was near morning

'Cause you love, love, love
When you know I can't love
You love, love, love
When you know I can't love
You love, love, love
When you know I can't love you

All 'cause you love, love, love
When you know I can't love
You love, love, love
When you know I can't love
You love, love, love
When you know I can't love you

 

 

 

I know I'm a bit late, but I'll be graduating with a degree in Linguistics this Spring and I kind of want to do a giant analysis of all the Elvish we have available as a summer project before grad school... has anyone done that already?

 

I don't think so, though we don't have much available. I'd check the elven language page on the Dragon Age wiki. Also this compilation and translation may be helpful by mowrites as they are the places I look when I'm working on fanfiction. So far as I can tell and as Renmiri pointed out, Dragon Age elvish isn't like say Tolkien's elvish/orcish/dwarven or Klingon as it's mostly just an English cipher that occasionally combines the words together. Makes it easy-ish when coming up with new phrases when writing fanfiction.

 

Like this from my fic On the Wings of Ravens:

Spoiler

“May Falon’din protect you and keep you, Lethallin,” she murmured. “May his hands draw your soul forth and guide you on. In uthenera na revas.” In the waking sleep is freedom. Her eyes closed, hand flat against the tree face. “Ma elgar, tu elgar, inan ma vallasdahlen el uth’enasal.” My spirit, your spirit, inside your life-tree our joyful relief is never ending. “Dareth shiral da’len na elvhen.” Safe journey, child of the elvhen. “One day, we will meet in the place where no wolf haunts our steps.”

 

"In uthenera na revas" is official.

 

"Ma elgar, tu elgar, inan ma vallasdahlen el uth’enasal" is the one I made up.

 

 

Of course my grammar may be entirely bjorked. I don't know! Good luck, either way! I'd be interested in seeing what you come up with!

[scintilla]

 

Just curious, of all the fan theories that you've seen, have any (at least partially) correctly guessed the direction of any future stories/plots/etc.? If you can't talk about it, I understand.

 

There’s so many of them that, like a shotgun, at least some of them have to hit the mark (to a point). I’m not going to say which, of course, but there’s a couple I’ve read where I was like “oh, that’s pretty close…not too bad…aww, and here you go right off the rails. Tsk.” Fan speculation is fun.

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ries-that-youve

[Mims]

As far as Solas keeping his identity a secret- I think whether he's just Fen'Harel, or Fen'Harel and also Shartan, or any other possible theory, Solas is never going to willingly come forward with who he is. And it makes sense as to why he wouldn't. At this point his reputation is polluted beyond salvaging. There's no way that Solas can ever come clean without immediately casting doubt on his intentions thanks to the mythos that has built up around him. 

 

Let us go with a best case scenario and that Fen'Harel has completely reformed himself. Letting the Inquisitor know that he's Fen'Harel gives the Inquisitor reason not to trust him when previously there existed none. [Except perhaps that he was a bit weird, and an apostate.] Solas needs to be trusted by the Inquisition, because he's the one best equipped to advise the Inquisitor both how to use the anchor, and how best to confront Corypheus. 

 

I think this is the reason he's a bit hypocritical towards Blackwall. Blackwall assumes a new identity to hide from what he's done. Fen'Harel assumes a new identity because he has no other option. This is doubly so if he romanced Lavellan. Even if Lavellan is more accepting of his viewpoints, she was still raised under the knowledge that the clan was constantly in danger of Fen'Harel's machinations.

 

Of course, worst case scenario: Solas is aware that his motives are not going to be appreciated by the Inquisitor, and tipping them off who he is puts his future plans at risk.

 

I think the Inquisitor will learn who he is someday. But I have a feeling it will never come from an honest confession. I think either Solas will be backed into a corner, either by the Inquisitor, Morrigan or another elven god, and the truth will come out. 

[RebbyWriter]

 

Just curious, of all the fan theories that you've seen, have any (at least partially) correctly guessed the direction of any future stories/plots/etc.? If you can't talk about it, I understand.

 

There’s so many of them that, like a shotgun, at least some of them have to hit the mark (to a point). I’m not going to say which, of course, but there’s a couple I’ve read where I was like “oh, that’s pretty close…not too bad…aww, and here you go right off the rails. Tsk.” Fan speculation is fun.

 

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ries-that-youve

 

So, somebody is right! .....somewhere.....kind of.

 

 

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[MidgetNemo]

 

 

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ries-that-youve

 

So, somebody is right! .....somewhere.....kind of.

 

 

*edit* 'd

 

Confirmation of a "Wolf Hunt" DLC perhaps? A girl can dream!

[Roxy]

Does anybody know what Solas says to Sera in that banter where she *Pbhtsssssss* at him?...I got that last night and I was wondering if anybody knows what he said to her in Elven even at the end of it when he gets the last word.

[SamanthaJ]

I think the Inquisitor will learn who he is someday. But I have a feeling it will never come from an honest confession. I think either Solas will be backed into a corner, either by the Inquisitor, Morrigan or another elven god, and the truth will come out. 

He does say "all will be made clear" and "you'll see." I think his actions might turn on an anachronistic flashing Vegas sign above his head that says "SUP I'M FEN'HAREL" and that's how the Inquisitor will find out. Especially if Sanda's prophecy is about Solas. "When he rises, everyone will see."

[nightwolf667]

Does anybody know what Solas says to Sera in that banter where she *Pbhtsssssss* at him?...I got that last night and I was wondering if anybody knows what he said to her in Elven even at the end of it when he gets the last word.

 

I think it's this one?
 

“Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan” Mowrites translation is "I am speaking to you from a place of great Spirit, with the song and heart of our People."

 

Could also be: “din elvhen emma’him” “You will never be one of my People.” from the same source.

 

The full set of their elven conversations are translated here Translations of Elven Language used in Inquisition, along with all the other elvish he uses in the game. I like mowrites' translations the best.

[k_drake]

Hey Wolf Pack! Are we still doing Solas/Solavellan songs? Because the entire Of Monsters and Men album "My Head is an Animal" is an ear worm for me at the moment. Love Love Love, Your Bones, and Yellow Light being highlights.

 

Songs that make me think of Lavellan: "Swimming" and "Heavy in Your Arms" by Florence and the Machine, "Oh My God" by Ida Maria, "Let Go" by Frou Frou.

[Renmiri1]

Yeah, they'd have to do a lot more work to make DA elvish resemble an actual language.  OT: Does anyone know if Drow is conlang?

you should ask the master..

 

http://dedalvs.tumblr.com/

 

He is the one who told me about Bioware's Elvish

[RynJ]

Just caught up with the thread. Newbies and elf ear sensitivity charts and Solavating, oh my!

 

I love this place. Reading what I missed while I was gone is always such an adventure in awesome. 

[LliiraAnna]

Solas keeping his identity a secret actually makes a lot of sense. Aside of trust and image issue pointed out above, you don't just go up to someone and say "Hello, I'm an ancient elven god". Best case scenario, no one believes you. Even if they do, it'll lead to more questions - a lot of them. And many of the answers will likely not be the ones an average person is prepared to hear or handle. And it's not like they have time to discuss such things anyway, they need to save the world.

 

This said, I'm sure it'll come out eventually. Nothing can stay hidden forever, especially if he plans to do something big (which he obviously does).

[Lorien19]

He does say "all will be made clear" and "you'll see." I think his actions might turn on an anachronistic flashing Vegas sign above his head that says "SUP I'M FEN'HAREL" and that's how the Inquisitor will find out. Especially if Sanda's prophecy is about Solas. "When he rises, everyone will see."

I really want my inquisitor to find out who he really is,no matter the race(Lavellan finding out is going to be priceless though).But most importantly I want to hear/see the reactions of our companions,every single one of them.

[Mims]

He does say "all will be made clear" and "you'll see." I think his actions might turn on an anachronistic flashing Vegas sign above his head that says "SUP I'M FEN'HAREL" and that's how the Inquisitor will find out. Especially if Sanda's prophecy is about Solas. "When he rises, everyone will see."

 

True! But, I don't know if that really means he'll give an explanation of what happened. It just seems that being Solas is too valuable a disguise to remove until he's ensured success in whatever it is he's after. Presumably when he said that, he thought he would regain his orb. 

[Renmiri1]

I really want my inquisitor to find out who he really is,no matter the race(Lavellan finding out is going to be priceless though).But most importantly I want to hear/see the reactions of our companions,every single one of them.

Someone needs to make a fan art of this

[Batfish]

Just caught up with the thread. Newbies and elf ear sensitivity charts and Solavating, oh my!
 
I love this place. Reading what I missed while I was gone is always such an adventure in awesome. 

It really is a great place ~ never seems to be a dull moment here.

[LliiraAnna]

Songs that make me think of Lavellan: "Swimming" and "Heavy in Your Arms" by Florence and the Machine, "Oh My God" by Ida Maria, "Let Go" by Frou Frou.

For me, it's Memories by Within Temptation and Still Here by Digital Daggers. And a few others as well. 

[Willow_Elessidil]

I wanted to face palm. It's like how did I not see this earlier? Like literally anywhere in the game:

 

Oh hey look a statue of a wolf

Oh hey look another wolf

Oh hey look another wolf

Hmm... I think something's up with Blackwall...

Oh hey look another wolf

Oh hey look another wolf

.. continue for 83 hours.

 

It's sad. I'm a forensic science student, my investigative skills should really not be this bad. But then again, I'm also the person who romanced Solas on my second play-through because I wanted to see what would happen.  List of things to not put on a resume. 

 

Saw this post from earlier.  I was admittedly spoilered about Solas early on and so took note of a lot of things.  The amount of wolf statues is staggering...all I could think while romancing him was, I wonder how many people will facepalm when they figure out who is he and recall the number of wolf statues throughout the game.  xD

 

Esp during that Mythal Temple scene and he has his very own statue dedicated to him, and the convo that followed with Morrigan I just sorta held my breath and realllly listened. Heehee

[tanuki]

Well, Solas definitely won't confess his real identity on his own accord. Either the Inquisitor will find some undeniable proof of him being Fen'Harel or some third party purposely or inadvertently will reveal it to them (with or without Solas being present at the scene). Or, Solas will be put in the situation when he has no choice but to reveal who he really is.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Solas keeping his identity a secret actually makes a lot of sense. Aside of trust and image issue pointed out above, you don't just go up to someone and say "Hello, I'm an ancient elven god". Best case scenario, no one believes you. Even if they do, it'll lead to more questions - a lot of them. And many of the answers will likely be not the ones an average person is prepared to hear or handle. And it's not like they have time to discuss such things anyway, they need to save the world

 

TBH Solas is not subtle about the Dread Wolf thing at all; he drops hints left and right that he isn't the unassuming hobo apostate he claims to be.  The only reason why no one would put two and two together is that the truth is so unbelievable and outrageous.  It'd be like one of us trying to explain electricity to someone from the medieval era; they wouldn't understand, and would have no reason to believe it's true.

 

Of course, Solas has a habit of underestimating the quizzy.  Still, if my Lavellan finds out who he is and she's in a position to keep his secret, she might very well do so.  He's probably in enough trouble without the rest of the Inquisition freaking out about his true identity.