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[Moirnelithe]

I feel like they'll either bring the HoF as a protagonist, as the worst cameo ever (e.g. just their feet), or not at all.  There have been so many changes from DAO to now that there's not an easy way for them to accommodate them all. On the one hand I'd love for the Warden to show up again. On another hand I get a headache just thinking about all the whiny fans talking about how x isn't just like they remembered it from 10 years ago, or how their HoF wouldn't do y, or how the new storyline doesn't give them the ending they want blah blah.

 

I thought the War Table mission was a nice way to incorporate them without actually having to figure out how to do so.

 

 

 

Solas talks about a time when Spirits and the elves co-existed, seemingly without the Veil. Human history always mentions a Veil, as far as we know. So it seems like the Veil would have been installed sometime in between when Solas was wandering around the first time, and when humans came to Thedas.

 

Though I do wonder if perhaps it wasn't so much that there was no Veil, but that it was thinner and/or not everywhere. A codex at Skyhold mentions that the Veil is particularly "old" over the Keep, which suggests that the Veil was not created all at once. We also know that Solas has never been physically in the Fade, nor has he been to the Black City (or it seems that way from his dialog in the Fade), which would suggest that there was either a Veil before at least in some places or no Fade.

Perhaps it means that the veil was created at the very spot that Skyhold was built on, There is a codex about the foundations attracting lightning, also some elven writing that was never fully translated.

[zambixi]

Perhaps it means that the veil was created at the very spot that Skyhold was built on, There is a codex about the foundations attracting lightning, also some elven writing that was never fully translated.

 

Could be. We'll probably find out. I figure they wouldn't set up something like that and then never talk about it again. Right? Maybe?

 

 

 

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[DragonRacer]

Is this the first game where no one tells you you're making a mistake by dating the one you're dating? In DAO it was Wynne, in DA2 it was...almost everyone...

 

Can't remember anyone pointing out that Solas was bad news though!

 

Only Solas himself, funnily enough. 

[Bliss]

There are a lot of variables....but still...it would have been nice. I feel like there isn't much comment on it at all. And yeah it seems to be the first time everyone is just like "whatevs". I think with Solas, Sera and Cole are the only ones that say anything....unless you talk to Viv that one time and she mentions longing looks... :/

[FurryFury]

There is a lack of companion content overall, though, especially when it comes to romances. I feel like all the DA2 companions had much fuller arcs, for example. There's a lot of banter this time, but otherwise, the game is lacking. My 2nd playthrough was Cassandra romance, and I expected a lot more content than Solas, who was a last-minute addition, romance-wise, but nope. There was a quest for her romance (bugged, but I've still finished it), but I couldn't even mention to her our relationship while talking about her potentially becoming the Divine! WTF?

[Tielis]

Story and character dilution due to resources being spent on making a huge Skyrim-like game.  #stillbitter

[slmisfit]

I still have like 10 pages to read >< but I need your help cause I trust you and you're the best.

I will soon start another Lavellan playthrough (ugh I'm obsessed), but I'm having a hard time with the CC.

http://imgur.com/a/wm10D

Which one do you prefer? And which one looks older?

Thanks

If you're still trying to choose... I actually think the third one looks oldest, and I like the first one best.

[Batfish]

Hmm, I am finding I am more and more dissatisfied with party members' banter on relationships. I miss the side talks you could have with them about it. I loved Varric's "So...you and the broody elf?" talk in the tavern and the jealous talk of Anders in the sewer where he questions what you see in Fenris....Hmmm, sidenote Bioware seems to like their dogs and wolves....
 
*goes back to lurking*

So much this. It felt a little empty that the relationships were barely acknowledged. I also miss the jealousy aspect, I always thought that was cute.

[_Lucinia]

There is a lack of companion content overall, though, especially when it comes to romances. I feel like all the DA2 companions had much fuller arcs, for example. There's a lot of banter this time, but otherwise, the game is lacking. My 2nd playthrough was Cassandra romance, and I expected a lot more content than Solas, who was a last-minute addition, romance-wise, but nope. There was a quest for her romance (bugged, but I've still finished it), but I couldn't even mention to her our relationship while talking about her potentially becoming the Divine! WTF?

Hopefully in the next installment BioWare can find a happy balance between open world, massive game & meaningful companion interaction.  I love DAI and I think it is a big step forward.  I just hate that it meant losing so much of what makes their games special.  They definitely can do a big open world game, I just hope they remember that it's also their characters that make their games so special.  I love just about every character they've created, but I think they knocked it out of the park with Solas, Cole, and Cass.  Now if only they had as much banter etc as companions in DAO and DA2.  

[zambixi]

There is a lack of companion content overall, though, especially when it comes to romances. I feel like all the DA2 companions had much fuller arcs, for example. There's a lot of banter this time, but otherwise, the game is lacking. My 2nd playthrough was Cassandra romance, and I expected a lot more content than Solas, who was a last-minute addition, romance-wise, but nope. There was a quest for her romance (bugged, but I've still finished it), but I couldn't even mention to her our relationship while talking about her potentially becoming the Divine! WTF?

 

I haven't been able to romance her yet, but I've heard that you definitely should be able to talk to her about your relationship when she's thinking about becoming Divine. Or maybe it's only at the end? I thought I'd seen a few people talking about that conversation though.

 

 

Story and character dilution due to resources being spent on making a huge Skyrim-like game.  #stillbitter

 

To be fair...DA2 characters develop over ten years. DAI happens over maybe a year? If you took say, Aveline, and put her into DAI she wouldn't be able to develop as much either. It takes her more than five years to get over Wesley IIRC. I think DAI characters are more developed than the ones in DAO were (before their later appearances).

 

Not to say I wouldn't like more character content. I'd trade all of the Hinterlands for another scene with each character, but some of the development has to be limited because there's only so much that can happen in the time frame of DAI.

 

EDIT:

As far as I can tell there is actually more banter in DAI than in DAO:

 

DAO (~ 3 hours, 45 minutes)

Spoiler

 

 

DAI (~ 5 hours, 30 minutes)

Spoiler

Modifié par zambixi, 30 décembre 2014 - 10:00 .

[Shari'El]

Thinking about the back masked dialogue. "Go to him... the calling." Maybe The Calling was a way that the elven gods/ old gods communicated with each other. Once nobody was there to pick up the phone, darkspawn started doing it. This could be how Corypheus faked out the Wardens- he's using Solas' cell phone. Maybe that's also why Mythal didn't contact him earlier, because until the Well she thought it was spam calls from Corypheus.

 

The images that sprung to my mind as I read this XD

I love the idea.

[Bliss]

No wonder Solas was so sad....it's sad when someone breaks your cell.....especially if it was one of those fancy ones.

[Birdy]

So much this. It felt a little empty that the relationships were barely acknowledged. I also miss the jealousy aspect, I always thought that was cute.

I think it makes sense for the game not to have the jealousy.  Hawke was Hawke, everyone wanted Hawke, heck, I'd jump Hawke if I could.  The Inquisitor is the Herald of Andraste, Cullen, Josie, Cass, Blackwall all firmly believe the Quizzy was chosen and "unattainable."  Least that's how I interpreted it as.  Iron Bull and Solas I can't see as the jealous types. Sera I can see that a little, but she refused to get in between if you're already in a romance.  Dorian is used to hiding so I don't see him getting jealous.

Now the little talking to relationships is weird.

[Mims]

So much this. It felt a little empty that the relationships were barely acknowledged. I also miss the jealousy aspect, I always thought that was cute.

 

You do kind of get a small hint of jealousy from Solas if Lavellan romances Sera. But that's about all I can recall. 

[vierrae]

I don't think there is one. Its really hard to say when the veil might have been created. Only that it did not always exist. 

 

On one hand, Solas seems to directly remember a time without the veil, and it is often implied that the lack of it was part of what made Arlathan's magic so great.

 

On the other, the ancient elven orbs from Solas's quest are said to strengthen the veil. That implies that the veil existed during Arlathan. Assuming he is telling the truth about what it is they do. [There is also the possibility that he is the one who created all of them to strengthen the veil as apart of his prison. Which would explain how he can sense them.] 

 

And finally, we have Fen'Harel's orb which acts as a key. It could be used to support either theory. Fen'Harel creates the veil, and then the orb to act as his key. Or perhaps all the elven gods possessed such a key, and that was the source of their godlike control over Arlathan. 

My thoughts exactly. It would be logical to have partial Veil. And somehow I feel that floating elven cities are connected to the proximity of unveiled Fade, remember all those floating stuff in it?

 

I believe it is an annotation to Solas's codex entry after you beat the game. But someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't played much in the end game state. 

 

Thanks, you are a wonderful, wonderful person! I love you all guys!

 

We also know that Solas has never been physically in the Fade, nor has he been to the Black City (or it seems that way from his dialog in the Fade), which would suggest that there was either a Veil before at least in some places or no Fade.

Right, because it wouldn't be totally awkard to hear him say "Ooh, The Fade, it's been a while since I was here in person".

[FurryFury]

I think they knocked it out of the park with Solas, Cole, and Cass.  Now if only they had as much banter etc as companions in DAO and DA2.

 

 Totally with you here on the best companions! Oh, and there is enough banter, although the damn bug is very frustrating.

 

I do hope that the next game will be more story-focused, too. Dragon Age really needs to find its identity. All three games are pretty different, gameplay-wise. The first is basically an updated Baldur's Gate (which works great for me, personally, but I know many love voiced protagonists and cinematic cutscenes and stuff), the second one is more Mass Effect-style with a more personal and gritty story, and the third is a foray into The Elder Scrolls territory.

 

I haven't been able to romance her yet, but I've heard that you definitely should be able to talk to her about your relationship when she's thinking about becoming Divine. Or maybe it's only at the end? I thought I'd seen a few people talking about that conversation though.

 

I haven't finished this PT yet. AFAIK, you do get a talk if she becomes the Divine, but there was no custom options for me when talking to her about it after Wicked Hearts. Maybe because my romance quest is bugged and still listed as unfinished even if the romance is triggered.

[Birdy]

I'd be happy with a small map if they just developed the story more. They focused way too much on the maps and not enough on story.  Which I really hope is a sign they're going to make it like Mass Effect and multiple instalments with the Quizzy.  

One can dream

[_Lucinia]

 

As far as I can tell there is actually more banter in DAI than in DAO:

 

DAO (~ 3 hours, 45 minutes)

Spoiler

 

 

DAI (~ 5 hours, 30 minutes)

Spoiler

DAI also has more companions though.  And that banter is spread out over a whole lot more game.  I know a lot of it is optional, side stuff.  But my first play through (and I didn't complete everything) was over 100 hours.  My longest DAO and DA2 play throughs, where I finished every possible inch, was never more than 50-68ish hours.  You're correct that it is more banter.  But it's more characters, with more possible variations, spread out over a lot more game.  It makes it feel like a lot less.

[FurryFury]

I'd be happy with a small map if they just developed the story more. They focused way too much on the maps and not enough on story.  Which I really hope is a sign they're going to make it like Mass Effect and multiple instalments with the Quizzy.  

 

I doubt there will be another full game with the Inquisitor. And frankly, I don't want there to be. A new protagonist for each new game sounds exactly right.

[Bliss]

I do like changing out the main character, but at the same time, I miss the same build up from ME. You got so close to all of the characters. I was literally crying in 3 for Mordin and Grunt (mah baby). You got more emotionally invested. And while I love the characters in DA, they do miss out on some opportunities. Unless they do the dlc thing right to pull out more character stuff. Which I did like in 2. I LOVED that you got to know Hawke's family and even past. That was great.....but I still feel like I need more time to cook over these characters. Of course...that could also be due to my wanting more Solas time *whistles innocently*

[Renmiri1]

kotaku does Solas again

 

http://kotaku.com/a-...ract-1676539291

[Birdy]

I doubt there will be another full game with the Inquisitor. And frankly, I don't want there to be. A new protagonist for each new game sounds exactly right.

I fully believe it. Unless they have an expansion to finish off the story, doing a new protagonist makes no sense.  The Quizzy has to go around the world closing the rifts, we're just in Orlais and Ferelden.  Plus the whole Solas thing and the Quizzy anchor. Whatever they do with that, has to include the Quizzy and having a little DLC to finish that part off would just be insulting.  

A new hero each game does not make it better. You actually get a lot less invested in the characters because you're starting over with a brand new character.

Edit: DAI whole story is just a prologue to a bigger story.

[vierrae]

I'd be happy with a small map if they just developed the story more. They focused way too much on the maps and not enough on story.  Which I really hope is a sign they're going to make it like Mass Effect and multiple instalments with the Quizzy.  

One can dream

About the maps - I recall everyone whining about, shall we say, complete lack of variety of maps in DA2. I guess this was our retribution  I was terrified during my first hours of playthrough, due to my real life topographical cretinism

[Renmiri1]

I doubt there will be another full game with the Inquisitor. And frankly, I don't want there to be. A new protagonist for each new game sounds exactly right.

I hate it actually because Bioware has such a short end game for it.

 

DAA was the right amount of goodbye for my Warden but just DAO or just DA2 or just DAI is too little

[Batfish]

I think it makes sense for the game not to have the jealousy.  Hawke was Hawke, everyone wanted Hawke, heck, I'd jump Hawke if I could.  The Inquisitor is the Herald of Andraste, Cullen, Josie, Cass, Blackwall all firmly believe the Quizzy was chosen and "unattainable."  Least that's how I interpreted it as.  Iron Bull and Solas I can't see as the jealous types. Sera I can see that a little, but she refused to get in between if you're already in a romance.  Dorian is used to hiding so I don't see him getting jealous.
Now the little talking to relationships is weird.

I never thought about it that way. You make a really good point, the Herald basically being a kind of religious idol. Of course I still miss it though and quizzy can be an awful flirt with everyone.

What they did have was cute. The entire Sera one about pippin out elf babehs, it is just odd that there's very little.

Off topic hng your icon makes me giggle every time.