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[Cezelle]

kotaku does Solas again

 

http://kotaku.com/a-...ract-1676539291

 

Just wanted to post it but you beat me to it. I think they're watching us... 

[Birdy]

About the maps - I recall everyone whining about, shall we say, complete lack of variety of maps in DA2. I guess this was our retribution  I was terrified during my first hours of playthrough, due to my real life topographical cretinism

Yeah, well what everyone conveniently forgets, DA2 had only a year to develop.  I actually didn't notice the maps until someone mentioned it. I personally love DA2's story better than DAO and DAI.  For only a year of development they did amazing.

**They went overboard with the maps.

[Renmiri1]

David Gaider, a 2014 Gaming Hero

http://www.polygon.c...-heroes-of-2014

[Birdy]

Just wanted to post it but you beat me to it. I think they're watching us... 

I'm scared!!  

[_Lucinia]

I fully believe it. Unless they have an expansion to finish off the story, doing a new protagonist makes no sense.  The Quizzy has to go around the world closing the rifts, we're just in Orlais and Ferelden.  Plus the whole Solas thing and the Quizzy anchor. Whatever they do with that, has to include the Quizzy and having a little DLC to finish that part off would just be insulting.  

A new hero each game does not make it better.

I'm on your team, Birdy.  

They've painted themselves into a corner.  For some people Hawke was way off in DAI.  HoF is a War Table mission.  It's getting messy trying to balance all of the possible outcomes for each protagonist, their romance, and companions.  I don't see it as feasible any more to have a new protagonist in each game.  Not unless they're going to do a major jump in time.  If they're going to stay in the current timeline... nope we need some consistency.  And I agree a DLC isn't enough to do the story justice.  Especially not with how massive DAI was.

Part of what makes Mass Effect such an incredible experience (not interested in debating the ending or how bad anyone feels ME3 was) is the fact that Shepard has 3 games to build a team, 3 games to get to know everyone.  Some companions return, and there's new ones.  I am glad that Dragon Age didn't just follow the same formula.  The changing of the guard has worked, up until now.  Going forward i see the Inquisitor for at least one more game.  I know a lot of folks don't like that idea.  I just don't see how it helps the story to have to get to know another protagonist and all of their companions.  I would love for once to stick with some of the faces I have already built something with.

[FurryFury]

I fully believe it. Unless they have an expansion to finish off the story, doing a new protagonist makes no sense.  The Quizzy has to go around the world closing the rifts, we're just in Orlais and Ferelden.  Plus the whole Solas thing and the Quizzy anchor. Whatever they do with that, has to include the Quizzy and having a little DLC to finish that part off would just be insulting.  

 

If they continue with the Inquisitor, they'll have to continue the romances, probably. Otherwise people will be crying all over the Internet. But what if your Quizzie hasn't romanced anyone? Then we'll need new romances! And maybe alternative romances with the old companions, just in case the players decides to romance them. And we'll need to take into consideration your relationships with the NPCs. What, your Quizzie has outplayed everyone at the Game and brokered a peace between Gaspard, Celene and Briala by blackmail? Then they'll be able to ask them for help in a complicated political situation. Made your lover Cassandra Divine? Ask her. Oh, you deceived Viv by giving her the wrong wyvern heart and now she's the Divine? She'll be out for your blood.

 

It will be a nightmare to write. Not to mention, DA isn't ME. It's not a trilogy about the same MC. And frankly, the Inquisitor doesn't even get much personalization.

 

I do understand wanting to continue your story from DAI. Frankly, the game feels unfinished as it is. The endgame is anticlimactic. The Solas romances hands in the air almost literally. But these are all the reasons I feel like the narrative demands a story DLC, at least a short coda-like. 

 

For a new game, I want a new story, new protagonist, new love interests. Let the other characters cameo or be mentioned in the Codex.

[Bliss]

I'm scared!!  

 

It's all Sashimi's fault XD

[Birdy]

I never thought about it that way. You make a really good point, the Herald basically being a kind of religious idol. Of course I still miss it though and quizzy can be an awful flirt with everyone.

What they did have was cute. The entire Sera one about pippin out elf babehs, it is just odd that there's very little.

Off topic hng your icon makes me giggle every time.

It makes me giggle too.  XD

I know a few of the romance stuff was purely in banter, which if you got the bug probably didn't notice.

[BlackCat]

Only Solas himself, funnily enough. 

 

Their interactions consist of him trying to resist her, but failing...

[Bliss]

On the video...my only issue being it doesn't explain why Solas is suddenly race limited. Unless the rumors of him being all lovey dovey with Andraste is just rumor and speculation.

[Batfish]

It makes me giggle too.  XD
I know a few of the romance stuff was purely in banter, which if you got the bug probably didn't notice.

I don't think I have the bug. Banter is a bit random but... maybe in the next game they will adjust things better for the size of everything. The gossipy nobles were a nice touch <v <

[zambixi]

DAI also has more companions though.  And that banter is spread out over a whole lot more game.  I know a lot of it is optional, side stuff.  But my first play through (and I didn't complete everything) was over 100 hours.  My longest DAO and DA2 play throughs, where I finished every possible inch, was never more than 50-68ish hours.  You're correct that it is more banter.  But it's more characters, with more possible variations, spread out over a lot more game.  It makes it feel like a lot less.

 

I dunno, I disagree. I'm playing through DAO now and I find the banter and overall character development to be lackluster compared to DAI. The banter seems a little off sometimes - I just killed Marjoliene and everyone is still talking about how sweet and innocent Leliana is - and companions rarely comment in any significant way during the missions. The pacing is off because of the gifting system, and I was able to run through everybody's dialog almost as soon as I recruited them.  The whole system seems very contrived, and the development of the characters themselves is pretty limited. I think Morrigan has more development in DAI than she does in DAO to be honest. DA2 still stands out as the best, but I don't think DAO is as good as DAI as far as companions are concerned.

[Birdy]

If they continue with the Inquisitor, they'll have to continue the romances, probably. Otherwise people will be crying all over the Internet. But what if your Quizzie hasn't romanced anyone? Then we'll need new romances! And maybe alternative romances with the old companions, just in case the players decides to romance them. And we'll need to take into consideration your relationships with the NPCs. What, your Quizzie has outplayed everyone at the Game and brokered a peace between Gaspard, Celene and Briala by blackmail? Then they'll be able to ask them for help in a complicated political situation. Made your lover Cassandra Divine? Ask her. Oh, you deceived Viv by giving her the wrong wyvern heart and now she's the Divine? She'll be out for your blood.

 

It will be a nightmare to write. Not to mention, DA isn't ME. It's not a trilogy about the same MC. And frankly, the Inquisitor doesn't even get much personalization.

 

I do understand wanting to continue your story from DAI. Frankly, the game feels unfinished as it is. The endgame is anticlimactic. The Solas romances hands in the air almost literally. But these are all the reasons I feel like the narrative demands a story DLC, at least a short coda-like. 

 

For a new game, I want a new story, new protagonist, new love interests. Let the other characters cameo or be mentioned in the Codex.

So, you're argument is romances and companions? Something they'd do with a new protagonist and the story anyway? And Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect.   I don't think I can argue with that.

[Uirebhiril]

Edit: DAI whole story is just a prologue to a bigger story.

 

I honestly feel that way about it too. The game seemed to only scratch the top of the actual story, and the idea of passing on to a new protagonist would be very unfulfilling at this point. If DLC or an expansion doesn't fill that story hole and make everything feel resolved for the Inquisitor, I'll feel a bit let down.

[Nika]

Btw, maybe I'm just stupid, but I still don't understand why Solas only loving a female elf makes "super story sense"

[Birdy]

Oh. Look what I found.    



http://tehnazzy.tumb...-and-admire-the

[FurryFury]

So, you're argument is romances? Something they'd do with a new protagonist and the story anyway? And Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect.    I don't think I can argue with that.

 

If you've bothered to read the post, it's far from only romances. Basically, many significant decisions will have to be acknowledged. and really, you're the head of the Inquisition. You have allies. Army. Resources. You've just defeated a wannabe god. They'd have to come up with somebody even stronger, and it will certainly feel contrived, because Cory was strong already.

 

On another note, I've been reading Reddit, and somebody has just compared Solas to Hitler. Literally. Because of the racism.

[Bliss]

Btw, maybe I'm just stupid, but I still don't understand why Solas only loving a female elf makes "super story sense"

 

Well...could be that we've only just hit the tip of the iceberg....which I am hoping is the case

[Birdy]

Btw, maybe I'm just stupid, but I still don't understand why Solas only loving a female elf makes "super story sense"

Because he's an elven god who is racist? I think it's more the racist part or we'll find out later in the story.

[_Lucinia]

I dunno, I disagree. I'm playing through DAO now and I find the banter and overall character development to be lackluster compared to DAI. The banter seems a little off sometimes - I just killed Marjoliene and everyone is still talking about how sweet and innocent Leliana is - and companions rarely comment in any significant way during the missions. The pacing is off because of the gifting system, and I was able to run through everybody's dialog almost as soon as I recruited them.  The whole system seems very contrived, and the development of the characters themselves is pretty limited. I think Morrigan has more development in DAI than she does in DAO to be honest. DA2 still stands out as the best, but I don't think DAO is as good as DAI as far as companions are concerned.

I'm fairly certain I am one of the victims of the banter bug.  It's persisted into just about every play through I have.  I'll go hours sometimes with very little character interaction.  Other times I'll get a string of several banters in a 10-15 min span.  That colours my perceptions a bit.  I personally haven't experienced even half of the amount of banters I would get in the previous games.  I've missed a lot.  I know there are youtube clips available, but that really doesn't feel the same as having it happen naturally within the game.

I agree with you that the character development is better in DAI.  I wasn't someone that gamed the system with gifts in DAO just to binge thru all of the conversations.  But I will admit I spent a lot of time running back n forth across bridges .  

[drake2511]

Thanks to everyone who is helping me decide which Lavellan to play *hugs all around* Ar lath ma! (Run out of likes, I'm waiting for them to come back )
I love reading what you think and I hope to make up my mind tomorrow morning since I'll go to bed in a few hours.
 

 

Btw, maybe I'm just stupid, but I still don't understand why Solas only loving a female elf makes "super story sense"

 

I feel the same, actually. Could be because of who he is and all, but I feel like there is more. It's more complicated than that!

DLC! please

[Birdy]

I'm fairly certain I am one of the victims of the banter bug.  It's persisted into just about every play through I have.  I'll go hours sometimes with very little character interaction.  Other times I'll get a string of several banters in a 10-15 min span.  That colours my perceptions a bit.  I personally haven't experienced even half of the amount of banters I would get in the previous games.  I've missed a lot.  I know there are youtube clips available, but that really doesn't feel the same as having it happen naturally within the game.

I agree with you that the character development is better in DAI.  I wasn't someone that gamed the system with gifts in DAO just to binge thru all of the conversations.  But I will admit I spent a lot of time running back n forth across bridges .  

I used the debug menu to fix the friendships in DA2. >.> That and sleeping with Isabela locked in the romance even though we agreed it was just a bit of fun. I needed my Fenris.

[Birdy]

WHOA, Look what I found!

Spoiler

 

 

http://fuzzyscribble...ting-one-of-the

[Nika]

Because he's an elven god who is racist? I think it's more the racist part or we'll find out later in the story.

I hope we'll find out, 'cause that's kinda what it sounded like when they said it

You'd think that a dalish is someone he wouldn't wanna romance

The elven babies theory can't be it either, since they don't necessarily do the sexy times

Hmmmm..

[wildannie]

I'm pretty sure that quizzy's story will be wrapped up in DAI, although cameo's similar to what we had with Hawke seem likely.  

 

I think that the massive scale of this game might reflect the importance of what's going on within it,  I think the big change   is going to happen within DAI through expansion/dlc and the next games will explore the consequences of that change.  I'm sure I read that somewhere that the DA games will vary in scale anyway so I expect that the next game will be a smaller story.

 

Unrelated comment - I was playing In Your Heart shall Burn' today and was interested by what Cory says to quizzy.  At first he's all slagging her off for being mortal etc etc,  but when he realises the anchor is permanent he decides he will kill her stating 'I will not suffer even an unknowing rival' .

 

This really  supports that she is actually in a position to raise herself to 'god hood' because of the anchor.