Btw, maybe I'm just stupid, but I still don't understand why Solas only loving a female elf makes "super story sense"
Dropping pants and rebuilding empires, I suppose? I really don't know either. Like he could have just said 'We try to make our characters like living, breathing people and living, breathing have preferences'. Which I would have accepted as a totally acceptable answer. If I were to assume - which I love to do - it's the impact of the love story. You have this god falling in love with a woman who was taught to fear him her entire life because he supposedly betrayed their entire race out of malice. Now we have doubt if that's true. And then you have this big dramatic reveal. People cry. Someone may die. Look at this board, people are eating it up...me included.
If they continue with the Inquisitor, they'll have to continue the romances, probably. Otherwise people will be crying all over the Internet. But what if your Quizzie hasn't romanced anyone?
It will be a nightmare to write. Not to mention, DA isn't ME. It's not a trilogy about the same MC. And frankly, the Inquisitor doesn't even get much personalization.
I do understand wanting to continue your story from DAI. Frankly, the game feels unfinished as it is. The endgame is anticlimactic. The Solas romances hands in the air almost literally. But these are all the reasons I feel like the narrative demands a story DLC, at least a short coda-like.
For a new game, I want a new story, new protagonist, new love interests. Let the other characters cameo or be mentioned in the Codex.
Here's what happens when writers have to balance all of the choices from all of those games; they tend to not matter at all in the next game, or are omitted entirely. And in games where choice is supposed to matter so much, that sucks. As for not honoring romances properly in the next game, ME3 says hello. Jacob. We've been through it once before, lol. That's all I am gonna say about that!
I think we play BioWare games for different reasons, so I'll just have to agree to disagree with you. For me, it sucks to have previous characters and decisions reduced to a codex entry. And we already learned in Inquisition that the cameos don't always work as well as we'd want them to. I love that Hawke showed up, along with her Warden ally. But she didn't feel the same. Would hate to have that happen again with the Inquisitor.
(Just want to clarify that I enjoy the difference in opinion. It's fun to debate opposing viewpoints.)
I'm pretty sure that quizzy's story will be wrapped up in DAI, although cameo's similar to what we had with Hawke seem likely.
I think that the massive scale of this game might reflect the importance of what's going on within it, I think the big change is going to happen within DAI through expansion/dlc and the next games will explore the consequences of that change. I'm sure I read that somewhere that the DA games will vary in scale anyway so I expect that the next game will be a smaller story.
Unrelated comment - I was playing In Your Heart shall Burn' today and was interested by what Cory says to quizzy. At first he's all slagging her off for being mortal etc etc, but when he realises the anchor is permanent he decides he will kill her stating 'I will not suffer even an unknowing rival' .
This really supports that she is actually in a position to raise herself to 'god hood' because of the anchor.
Dropping pants and rebuilding empires, I suppose? I really don't know either. Like he could have just said 'We try to make our characters like living, breathing people and living, breathing have preferences'. Which I would have accepted as a totally acceptable answer. If I were to assume - which I love to do - it's the impact of the love story. You have this god falling in love with a woman who was taught to fear him her entire life because he supposedly betrayed their entire race out of malice. Now we have doubt if that's true. And then you have this big dramatic reveal. People cry. Someone may die. Look at this board, people are eating it up...me included.
I actually kinda liked the race gating this time around instead of just gender. It does bring a better character development, at least to me.
I think it's the familiarity factor,too. Imagine you having been brought up among only people of a certain race. Would you be so eager and able to fall in love with a person of a different race so easily? I'm not sure.
I think it's the familiarity factor,too. Imagine you having been brought up among only people of a certain race. Would you be so eager and able to fall in love with a person of a different race so easily? I'm not sure.
Yeah I have a hard time seeing Solas as a racist. I think it's more like what you said. I don't see how he could be a racist yet have so much respect for Cass (or an Inquisitor on the friendship path). He might have some slightly prejudiced opinions some times, especially with an Assquisitor (think he calls Human Assquisitor a thug?). Bah I dunno, I could be wrong. Maybe I am just too naive and only want to see the best in him .
Yeah I have a hard time seeing Solas as a racist. I think it's more like what you said. I don't see how he could be a racist yet have so much respect for Cass (or an Inquisitor on the friendship path). He might have some slightly prejudiced opinions some times, especially with an Assquisitor (think he calls Human Assquisitor a thug?). Bah I dunno, I could be wrong. Maybe I am just too naive and only want to see the best in him .
He's not a hardcore racist who will bash down and deny others, but he definitely has sour opinions about races and religions.
I think he might be a tad racist, personally. He admits as much in his max disapproval dialogue [and his max friendship dialogue, I believe.] He hasn't spent much time around non-elves. He had some preconceptions about them, which he is either proven right or wrong about. I don't think Solas would be completely opposed to a relationship with a human Inquisitor if they had an additional game of content. Its just that it seems it takes him too long as far as game time goes to come around to seeing that humans/dwarves/qunari are not what he originally thought them to be.
Because he's an elven god who is racist? I think it's more the racist part or we'll find out later in the story.
Yeah, I think it’s partly that he was/is an elven god who is concerned with the posterity of his own kind. And being with, say, a human female would produce a child that was half elven, but phenotypically human. And Solas admits that he always saw them as being brutes, who are also partially responsible for the current state of the Elves.
Also, I like that he is only interested in Lavellan, it makes the romance more unique.
I think this depends on what you mean by "racist". The term could be used to just describe someone treating someone different (not better/worse) based off race.
eg. If you play the inquisitor the same way as an elf or human, only one will get the romance. That could be racist in the sense that he is treating them differently. He also has assumptions on what other races are like and can generalize them sometimes.
I don't think he's racist in the sense that he believes some races are superior/inferior.
Yeah I can agree with that I suppose. I always read it as him being close-minded, letting negative situations cloud him, and you either prove him right or wrong. Has racist undertones for sure. I guess the fact that you can show him you're not what his negative prejudices are tells me he's not really racist. I'm not saying I'm right and anyone who thinks he is a racist is wrong. Just my naive way of seeing people.
I think this depends on what you mean by "racist". The term could be used to just describe someone treating someone different (not better/worse) based off race.
eg. If you play the inquisitor the same way as an elf or human, only one will get the romance. That could be racist in the sense that he is treating them differently. He also has assumptions on what other races are like and can generalize them sometimes.
I don't think he's racist in the sense that he believes some races are superior/inferior.
He does when it comes to the Qunari, and to a certain extent the Dalish, though that's more pity kind of inferior, they didn't turn out the way he'd hoped.
My Lavellan wouldn't turn down having a baby with Solas "for super story sense reasons"... but I'm wondering...
Spoiler
What if we're given a scenario where, if Solas didn't romance the Inquisitor, he has a god baby with Merrill? Some sort of "we have to preserve blah blah blah" so let's create the perfect elf baby. If you're female, you get the option to have the baby yourself. I would hate this so much. It'd be like Morrigan and Alistair again except a billion times worse. I mean, I'm up for it only if female Lavellan is the only one being offered the chance to have Solas' baby, but Merrill... no.
haha now I'm imaging Solas and Lavellan's daughter getting together with Kieran XD
I also think that for Solas as he is now, the elven race and their fate is basically #1 priority. He cares about them. A lot. Maybe not the current Dalish, but they are the closest there is to the elvhen of old. So it makes sense that the lines get blurry. But it's still a long way from viewing a person of another race in a romantic light - after all, he's probably never done this before.
Yeah I have a hard time seeing Solas as a racist. I think it's more like what you said. I don't see how he could be a racist yet have so much respect for Cass (or an Inquisitor on the friendship path). He might have some slightly prejudiced opinions some times, especially with an Assquisitor (think he calls Human Assquisitor a thug?). Bah I dunno, I could be wrong. Maybe I am just too naive and only want to see the best in him .
I think he might be a tad racist, personally. He admits as much in his max disapproval dialogue [and his max friendship dialogue, I believe.] He hasn't spent much time around non-elves. He had some preconceptions about them, which he is either proven right or wrong about. I don't think Solas would be completely opposed to a relationship with a human Inquisitor if they had an additional game of content. Its just that it seems it takes him too long as far as game time goes to come around to seeing that humans/dwarves/qunari are not what he originally thought them to be.
If you manage to ****** him off as a Dalish elf you can get the "thug" dialogue as well. It's a little harder to make him dislike you as a Dalish, since you get a few extra chances to raise his approval while you're still at Haven, but it's possible. Remember he doesn't really consider the Dalish to be "his people".
The race-gate makes sense to me more than the female-gate does. A non-elf has an even more difficult time finding common cultural ground with him. They're unfamiliar, and possibly even farther than what they "should be" (according to Solas) than the Dalish. I haven't seen a major reason why it should be female-only, other than that's just how he is and I can't see anyone saying "Well the race thing is for super story reasons but the female thing was just because he's straight". Imagine the backlash.
My Lavellan wouldn't turn down having a baby with Solas "for super story sense reasons"... but I'm wondering...
Spoiler
What if we're given a scenario where, if Solas didn't romance the Inquisitor, he has a god baby with Merrill? Some sort of "we have to preserve blah blah blah" so let's create the perfect elf baby. If you're female, you get the option to have the baby yourself. I would hate this so much. It'd be like Morrigan and Alistair again except a billion times worse. I mean, I'm up for it only if female Lavellan is the only one being offered the chance to have Solas' baby, but Merrill... no.
haha now I'm imaging Solas and Lavellan's daughter getting together with Kieran XD
Oh. Poor Kieran, they did such a poor job on his character, and he totally should have had black hair.
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