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I know what pic you're talking about. I had to choose what my theme was so i went with it.


Understood. Either way its a great compilation of the crazy theories here on the forum. You have a knack with voice over. Keep it up. :)

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When everyone has magic and we're not playing the Inquisitor any longer, it probably won't seem that overpowered.  Because everyone is going to have magic... and she's got the Anchor, which is already super-powerful.

 

A PC can be god-tier, if we aren't playing him/her anymore.  But equally likely, Lavellan/the Inquisitor is going to have to die.

 

I can't see them setting up Fen'harel for three games, only to let him fall as soon as he appears, via a DLC or something.  No, they want him around for another game or two to influence things.  Probably, next game, he will be either a catalyst or an accidental villain.  We may end up needing to kill him at the end of the game, or a more direct villain may appear as a result of his actions (everyone having magic, the Veil being dropped... yeah, I can't imagine anyone taking advantage of that, can you?--I am being sarcastic here.),  Either way, once we are no longer playing the Inquisitor, there's nothing but plot to keep Solas and Lavellan apart.

 

I think it's very unlikely that they'll do it. For one, there would be no cameo and any mention would have to involve why god!Inquisitor wasn't helping the heroes. Unless both of the next planned games involve smaller scale stories like Hawke's, they would have really no excuse for not bringing the god!Inquisitor back. Except, you know, gods make conflict difficult.

 

I'm actually not certain we'll see Solas again until the end of the series. If what he does is seriously world changing, they may not want to deal with the aftermath of the changes. I agree that they aren't going to kill him off in DLC though. We're probably not going to really see him again in DLC. There will probably be some mention of what he's doing though.

 

If he's an antagonist for even one game, he and Lavellan aren't going to be together. If he dies at the end of that game, he and Lavellan aren't going to be together. Like I said, taking away his power is one of the very few ways that he won't have to die, disappear, or be an enemy. It's better than a lot of endings he could have.



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Relevant:

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I'm out of likes!

Dear Maker how have I never seen that before now?!


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#43054
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We probably won't play the Inquisitor again, though--I would not assume we would.  Also, just because he won't be in the party again (if there WERE a second game starring the Inquisitor) doesn't mean the two will never again be together.  And anyway, as I pointed out, by the time he achieves whatever he's set out to do, the Inquisitor might be as magically powerful as he is.

It's said that next DA series will happen in Tevinter, if it is so, then we'll probably get a new protagonist. 



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<snip>

 

For more off topic dancing... (includes Zevran, so kind of on topic?)

 


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Totally relevant:

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#43057
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For more off topic dancing... (includes Zevran, so kind of on topic?)

 

 

I am speechless!  I don't know how I missed that too!  

Oh Solas thread you've been on fire today.  Been laughing and grinning like a fool.  Is it my birthday or something?!  Oh wait, that's tomorrow!  :lol:

 

On topic, here have a smoldering Solas:

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#43058
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I think it's very unlikely that they'll do it. For one, there would be no cameo and any mention would have to involve why god!Inquisitor wasn't helping the heroes. Unless both of the next planned games involve smaller scale stories like Hawke's, they would have really no excuse for not bringing the god!Inquisitor back. Except, you know, gods make conflict difficult.

 

I'm actually not certain we'll see Solas again until the end of the series. If what he does is seriously world changing, they may not want to deal with the aftermath of the changes. I agree that they aren't going to kill him off in DLC though. We're probably not going to really see him again in DLC though. There will probably be some mention of what he's doing though.

 

If he's an antagonist for even one game, he and Lavellan aren't going to be together. If he dies at the end of that game, he and Lavellan aren't going to be together. Like I said, taking away his power is one of the very few ways that he won't have to die, disappear, or be an enemy. It's better than a lot of endings he could have.

 

He may not show up again post-ending of DA:I, depending if they want to do a "bridge" DLC between DAI and the next game.

 

As for the Inquisitor being god-tier... would not be the first time that your previous PC mysteriously disappeared or was too busy with something else to come and help you out.

 

You are very Team Pessimism today, aren't you?  I don't think Solas has to lose his power to disappear, and I think he's more morally ambiguous than a straight-up villain.

 

As for not thinking Lavellan could be with a villain, well... Anders isn't Mr. Sunshine and Rainbows, but it seemed to me that he was going to come crawling back to Hawke if allowed to live.  I'd consider Anders more than a little bit villainous--sure I know he tried peaceful methods, but in the end his actions hurt more innocents, not the people who had caused the harm he wanted to change.  And yet... Hawke and Anders can be together.

 

If there is a DLC, we may see an Anders-style choice where we get to decide whether or not Solas lives.  But again, it is more likely we'll see a bridging-the-gap type DLC, will be able to choose whether or not our Inquisitor wants to join him/stay with him at the point she finds out what he's up to, and then he'll show up next game and maybe offer advice or help with the fallout of whatever happens because of what he did. Which, as another pointed out, is probably not going to be entirely negative.

 

If we're right about what he's up to (dropping the Veil at least, not necessarily freeing the gods, though that may be a side effect,) POSITIVE benefits include:

  • Elves regain immortality, immunity to disease
  • Everyone has magic
  • Harder to corrupt spirits into demons
  • Spirits and living creatures can begin to understand each other better

 

Now we've already gone through all the negative stuff that can happen, pretty much, but... those effects?  And knowing Solas wants to help people?

 

Though I kind of wonder if one of the reasons he left was because he believes he'll have to set himself up as god-king of Thedas, and that's not something he wishes on Lavellan, nor is something he would be able to trust her to share (because past betrayal).  And that... might put him at odds with Lavellan, even if he weren't a tyrant.



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So I'm at the Urn quest in Origins, talking to the guardian of the urn. I'd completely forgotten about him, but he seems to be the human version of Abelas: the guardian of a sacred relic bound to live until such a time as his service is no longer required. So apparently immortality is not necessarily something that only elves can achieve. He says his life is tied to the ashes because of a vow, and that he remains until the ashes are gone. It's also pretty interesting to me that he can tell you about your history down to naming the people that were involved, so clearly he has some connection to something.

 

Anyway, just thought it was interesting. It is probably a completely different type of magic from what I think made elves immortal, but still cool.


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So I'm at the Urn quest in Origins, talking to the guardian of the urn. I'd completely forgotten about him, but he seems to be the human version of Abelas: the guardian of a sacred relic bound to live until such a time as his service is no longer required. So apparently immortality is not necessarily something that only elves can achieve. He says his life is tied to the ashes because of a vow, and that he remains until the ashes are gone. It's also pretty interesting to me that he can tell you about your history down to naming the people that were involved, so clearly he has some connection to something.

 

Anyway, just thought it was interesting. It is probably a completely different type of magic from what I think made elves immortal, but still cool.

 

Calling it now. Andraste's ashes are ancient elven ashes. Lolbutnotreally


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:o

 

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I'm fairly convinced that Solas's goal (be it destroying the veil or freeing the elven gods) will be accomplished in either DLC or an expansion before DA4, and DA4 will have a new protagonist having to deal with the results. 

 

1) If either of those things happen, Tevinter seems like the place to be for the most exciting stuff - they're the group most likely to be at odds with any elves who come to power, and where the most mages will just go crazy if the veil was gone. And rumor is the next game will move to northern Thedas.

 

2) It would make sense for the Inquisitor to not be involved in the saving the world bit, if Solas needs the anchor in order to succeed in his goals. Which would make the Inquisitor either his willing accomplice, unwilling servant (power of mythal), or dead. 

 

It just doesn't seem like an interesting game, to me, for DA4 to revolve around random new person finding out about Solas, and chasing him around Thedas trying to foil his plans. That's basically what we just did in DA:I, the difference being that if that were DA4's plot, half the players would not want to fight their "villain."


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He may not show up again post-ending of DA:I, depending if they want to do a "bridge" DLC between DAI and the next game.

 

As for the Inquisitor being god-tier... would not be the first time that your previous PC mysteriously disappeared or was too busy with something else to come and help you out.

 

You are very Team Pessimism today, aren't you?  I don't think Solas has to lose his power to disappear, and I think he's more morally ambiguous than a straight-up villain.

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If the next game has events on the scale of the Breach? Then there's no excuse. The HoF is one person too far away to do anything. Hawke actually did show up to help. I know people really like the idea of Lavellan being a goddess but it isn't very likely.

 

He doesn't need to lose his power to disappear. He needs to disappear if he keeps his power. He can't be a permanent presence in the world if there are going to be more apocalyptic events because he's an easy fix for the problems.

 

Anders isn't a villain. If you ever consider him so, it's after he blows up the Chantry. Not during the entirety of the game wherein he's doing things that can be perceived as evil. Yes, once Anders lost story relevance, the player could choose his fate. Solas isn't going to do something world changing in DLC, that would be making people pay extra to see the whole story, which BioWare is accused of often enough when it isn't what they're doing. If anything DLC will set up for what he does in DA4.

 

Sandal's prophecy does say "he will rise" so that could mean ascend (although it could be... wake up).



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For more off topic dancing... (includes Zevran, so kind of on topic?)

 

 

I make no claims that this is in any way on topic:

 



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Pffffffffffffffffffffft. Oh my countrybumpkinself. Click this link and watch this gif and play the music. 

 

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Seriously. Glitching Solas dances to Cotton Eyed Joe. Sung in a chipmunk voice.



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If the next game has events on the scale of the Breach? Then there's no excuse. The HoF is one person too far away to do anything. Hawke actually did show up to help. I know people really like the idea of Lavellan being a goddess but it just isn't going to happen.

 

He doesn't need to lose his power to disappear. He needs to disappear if he keeps his power. He can't be a permanent presence in the world if there are going to be more apocalyptic events because he's an easy fix for the problems.

 

Anders isn't a villain. If you ever consider him so, it's after he blows up the Chantry. Not during the entirety of the game wherein he's doing things that can be perceived as evil. Yes, once Anders lost story relevance, the player could choose his fate. Solas isn't going to do something world changing in DLC, that would be making people pay extra to see the whole story, which BioWare is accused of often enough when it isn't what they're doing. If anything DLC will set up for what he does in DA4.

 

Sandal's prophecy does say "he will rise" so that could mean ascend (although it could be... wake up).

 

Yes, but, you're not considering that Solas also wouldn't be a villain until after he does whatever it is he's up to.  There's no reason Lavellan could not be with him until then--and Anders is still with Hawke post-villainous-action (and yes, considering what he does, I do consider him villainous, although his one villainous act is done with and he seems to be through with that gig and ready to be calm again--hopefully).  Lavellan could also, depending upon the character, still go and be with Solas, no matter what he does.

 

I can't help thinking you're getting upset; if you're not that is fine, but I don't think we're going to agree with one another on this one, so it may be best to just let it drop.


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Shartan found!

 

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Yes, but, you're not considering that Solas also wouldn't be a villain until after he does whatever it is he's up to.  There's no reason Lavellan could not be with him until then--and Anders is still with Hawke post-villainous-action (and yes, considering what he does, I do consider him villainous, although his one villainous act is done with and he seems to be through with that gig and ready to be calm again--hopefully).  Lavellan could also, depending upon the character, still go and be with Solas, no matter what he does.

 

I can't help thinking you're getting upset; if you're not that is fine, but I don't think we're going to agree with one another on this one, so it may be best to just let it drop.

 

I don't think BioWare would have them breakup then get back together then have them breakup again when he does something world changing. If there's any chance of them ending up together, it will likely be after he's done whatever it is he's going to do.

 

Nah, just a combination of me being painfully blunt and the text format.  ^_^

 

Top of page Solas!

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The first time I played, I made a few decisions that Solas disagreed with including drinking from the well and making Cole more human. This time, I am playing some of the opposite decisions to see how Solas reacts. For the Cole decision in particular, it was an easy choice for me to side with Varric. I'm human so it was easy for me to understand that you're suppose to work through your emotions blah blah. I also just assumed that Varric was right when he said that Cole came into the world and chose to be human. I thought that Solas was just being biased about how great spirits are. However, after playing this quest again in a different way, I realized that Solas' point was legit as well.

 

Cole's original nature WAS a spirit of compassion. In a sense, Cole is a traumatized spirit of compassion because he only became Cole due to being unable to save the real Cole. Solas wants him to return to his true self because he believed that people are the happiest when they follow their nature. In my first playthrough, I was annoyed at Solas for putting spirits on a pedestal and not recognizing that humans have some strengths that spirits don't. Humans are less pure, but more complicated and resilient to trauma. They don't go 180 in their personality as soon as something bad happens. But then, in this playthrough, I see that spirits are superior in a way because of their purity. When I watched the scene in which Solas told Cole to feel the templar's emotions, I was amazed. It was amazing because a spirit of compassion can forgive in a way that no human can do easily. It is in a sense, an ideal way to be. As a spirit of compassion, Cole is less complex but more able to feel empathy for everyone and help everyone. That's Buddha/Jesus level stuff that humans can't do.

 

I wish we could have asked Cole what he wanted, but he approves regardless of the decision you make. He probably doesn't know what he wants. I think in general, people are happier when following their nature so it makes sense for Solas to believe that Cole would be happier as a spirit. I enjoyed the whole debate between him and Varric. I just really like how this game makes you think about philosophical stuff.


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I don't think Solas at his most powerful is necessarily all-powerful enough to solve every problem. If the lore is any indication, while the gods were very powerful, they were clearly not powerful enough to solve every problem (blight, forgotten ones, getting themselves out of an Eluvian etc.). They are clearly limited in what they could do and their ability to rule for so long probably came from being in a group. A single one can only do so much. Flemeth/Mythal was very powerful but couldn't do it all. The orb tore a hole in the veil but didn't take it down completely. They are still in some ways very very mortal.


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I apologize profusely for how off topic this is.   I just saw it posted in another thread, and I can't stop laughing.  I am sure for some of you this is something that was kicking around before.  But was a first for me.

 

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@Brass   I wouldn't be surprised if that's the direction things are heading.  

I forgot this -- there are not enough likes. :D



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When I'm scrolling through tumblr and I see Solas Gifs and image macros with my Yuki Lavellan in them I get very confused. 

 

YUKI HOW DID YOU MAKE A TUMBLR ARE YOU REAL NOW!?


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My Lavellan wouldn't turn down having a baby with Solas "for super story sense reasons"... but I'm wondering...

 

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Generally speaking, I think some people are making too much out of Solas' attraction to a female elven protagonist. I don't think being attracted to elven women makes Solas racist at all; he treats people equally, and his discussions with Varric and Iron Bull show an interest in their culture and people. He's willing to hear out the protagonist, even if he doesn't agree with what the main character says.

 

Hopefully, Solas will be able to genuinely help the Elvhen, and my Lavellan would certainly provide aid to his friend if it meant that they could help the People together.


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Calling it now. Andraste's ashes are ancient elven ashes. Lolbutnotreally

 

Everything is elves! Dwarven paragons? Really short elves. Qunari? Really big elves that bred with dragons. Mabari? Very hairy elves.

 

I kid, I kid.

 

I tend to think that if there is such a thing as divinity in the Dragon Age universe, than Andraste was Divine. Her ashes had power, the temple for her ashes had power, she was able to push back Tevinter, the Divine of the Chantry is apparently powerful in some sort of magical way since Cory uses her in his ritual.... there are a lot of little things that make me think she's more than just a powerful mage. I also like the idea that the spirit in the Fade wasn't Divine Justinia but actually Andraste. Lavellan just rolls her eyes like whatever lady and doesn't even know who she's talking to.

 

 

/snip/

 

I wish we could have asked Cole what he wanted, but he approves regardless of the decision you make. He probably doesn't know what he wants. I think in general, people are happier when following their nature so it makes sense for Solas to believe that Cole would be happier as a spirit. I enjoyed the whole debate between him and Varric. I just really like how this game makes you think about philosophical stuff.

 

The Cole quest is one I always flip-flop on. Not for my canon playthrough (he's staying human there), but generally. I agree - it's pretty amazing how BW makes us think about these things. The nature of being "happy" and "human", the nature of being "divine", it goes on and on...


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Shartan found!

 

 

 

 

I'm glad Shartan's sporting the plaidweave. 

 

Best fabric in the game. DAT YELLOW. 


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