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Hi everyone (new and old!), thanks for the welcomes! I'm afraid I'm skipping over the last pages as I haven't finished the romance... and I've already seen some spoilers. I'll be back more once I get further along! 

 

No, I've only gotten the second kiss so far. :drums fingers impatiently: Heading to the ball next-ish. I realize... I don't know if he'll dance with me...  :o  :huh:

 

*waves* mmmm yesssssss!! Like he's drawn to her, and can't help it and then gets control again. unf. 

 

LOL So you did! <3

 

LOL *bows down to the inescapable power of the sexy know-it-all elf* 

 

:)  No recovery needed ...  yet... he's still snogging me quite well. ^_^

 

TTFN, Solas thread!

Oh he´ll dance with you ;) I´m totally headcanoning him being a really good dancer with the entire court going all "Ohh" when he and Lavellan dance :P



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For those who missed the podcast

HERE'S SOME QUOTES (pls forgive typos)

 

There is an amazing level of difficulty and opportunity in writing a character who you know the entire time has a giant side to that character that we're never going to show you until the stinger - until the post credits scene. Dave and I worked together on him pretty heavily because yes, he is somewhat involved in the critical path of the game and the main plot.
 
For me, I'm really bad at writing bad guys. If you give me, "Hey write a villain." I will turn in a servicable villain and he will probably say snarky things about you. Like, I was the main writer on Here Lies the Abyss, so if you remember when the demon speaking with Cory's voice is taunting you and all your followers, and Hawke and whichever Warden ally is with you... that's me writing a villain. That's about the best I got.
 
But if you tell me to write someone who is morally conflicted, or someone who is doing something something awful for a - what he thinks - is a fully moral reason, that's where I can really dig my teeth into it. I kinda feel the same way about Mordin from Mass Effect.
 
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He doesn't kick puppies. He is not the person who is going to - he very rarely, in fact, will even suggest something morally questionable. He might approve of it, but what he really approves of is intelligence and thoughtfulness, even if that intelligence and thoughtfulness is coupled with something that is ruthless or something that is not what you would think of as the nice guy route. It's just: You've thought this through, the most important thing to do right now is eliminate these bad guys - okay, good!
 
But yeah, he is always the person who's going to look for more thoughtful solutions. He's someone who, if you've looked at his banters, if you want to understand Solas, listen to the things he brings up on his own.
 
He is one of the strongest believers in freedom of personal thought. And yeah, the Qun is one of the thigns that I'd say gets him angriest in the game. If you look at the few places he gets really, really angry in the game, it's when talking to Iron Bull, especially if you sacrifice the Chargers. Solas and Bull have one last banter, and Solas cuts him to the bone. It's watching the idiot mages bind his buddy and turn his buddy into a demon. And he does not like what the Wardens are doing.
 
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SOLAS ROMANCE STUFF
 
The romance WAS a later addition.
 
The romance was meant to make EVERYTHING SADDER??? I HATE YOU PATRICK.
 
You get to see that he DOES care about you. It's obvious, I hope, that his feelings for you are not fake, and he cares about you deeply, and he is one step from telling you the truth about himself. And GDL, his voice is just amazing, and he did a fantastic job on the delivery. There's one key moment where he says you deserve the truth, and he just breaks a tiny bit on that line, that's the part where he almost tells you. Then he twists it into telling you about the vallaslin instead.
 
He chickens out on it, because in that moment, and he's about to tell you, pulls back at the last moment, tells you about the vallaslin instead, goes in on the kiss and is just so ready to just lose himself and just forget about the past. And then he has to push back. The part where he steps back and his face changes because he knows he has to break it off right there or he's going to have betrayed himself - I just love that. And it is so sad, and it has broken the hearts of many players, and it broke my heart when I wrote it.

And the podcast itself: http://www.nerdappro...patrick-weekes/


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So... I've missed a lot of stuff in this thread.  What happened in the podcast that made people so upset?

 

Just that Solas is such a sad being. He loves Lavellan so much, and almost told her the truth about everything but chickened out.

 

I haven't listened to it. I can't now, not after seeing all those quotes. Everything just hits too close to home. I can't stop crying. 


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So... I've missed a lot of stuff in this thread.  What happened in the podcast that made people so upset?

 

Weekes said that the reason why the Solas romance was added was to make his story more sad.


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So I don't know if this has already been done but I just listened to the podcast and transcribed as I went (a habit from sociology classes). It starts from 0:43/44, when they start talking about Solas (won't be 100% accurate since fast typing). 

Spoiler


It sounds like Weekes knows he broke our hearts guys... the "Hi Solasmancers... I'm sorry </3". It's cool Weekes. It's cool. Not really. 

 

Edit: Here's the link to the podcast if anyone needs: http://feeds.feedburner.com/RatedNa


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It is hard to say what Solas's end goal is. Except that we know that it requires a substantial amount of power, and that it is for 'the People.' 

 

 

Yes. It may really be the whole tear down the Veil/release the gods thing everyone has been suggesting, but it could also be something like needing to strengthen it instead, to stop something from coming through. Or to fight against something that has gotten free/come to life and will tear the world apart if allowed. We have no idea what it could be, and while we can only guess it'd be interesting to see what else others can come up with for reasons beyond death and destruction.

 

I mean... there have been suggestions and themes showing that change is coming, and there will be chaos. Do we leap, or fight against it?

 

And that podcast... well. We sort of always knew what that last scene meant and what he probably intended instead. Having confirmation of it - and of the depth of his feelings for Lavellan - is really nice. Just makes the story that much more poignant. But... ouch. :(


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Welp after that podcast

 

Everything-Hurts-and-Im-Dying-Parks-and-

That gif basically describes all of the Solas romance past scene #2.

 

 

I just ran into the Elder Tree. Now I want a scene in DLC where Solas and the Elder Tree have a nice conversation -- between the rhyming and Solas' iambic pentameter they could literally start speaking in sonnets.


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OKAY I THINK...

 

 

I THINK I'M CRAZY...

 

 

BUT I ALSO THINK I'M RIGHT. 

 

[spoilers]

 

“The Dragons Unlock It”

 

            About a week ago I found this written next to my bed when I woke up. I’ve been trying to figure out exactly what I was thinking in my twilight sleep every since and I think I’ve figured it out.

 

            Hear me out and listen to my whole Theory before you dismiss it.

 

            The 7 Dragon Gods of the Tevinter Empire held the keys to opening the doors to where the Old Elvehn gods are. My assumption would be the souls are the keys to the Illuvians that lead to the old gods.

 

Morrigan says that all illuvians have a different key to open them. Like how the one at the temple of Mythal needed the power of the well.

 

[quote of morrigan saying all Illuvians have different keys]

 

Morrigan’s son has the soul of one of the Dragon Gods that was killed in Dragon Age: Origins, which opened the Illuvian she had. Morrigan was able to first open that Illuvian when she was with the god baby. Morrigan says she doesn’t understand how her son was able to open the Illuvian, but it was because he had the soul to open it! I don’t think she ever really figured this out and never realized what the soul in him was really needed for!

 

            Corypheus was a worshiper of Dumat, the Dragon God. But he never actually saw Dumat as evidence of his final words.

 

            [“Dumat if you ever existed. Ever truly existed. Aid me now”]

 

So I am assuming at the point of being worshipped by the Tevinter Empire, Dumat and the other dragons are stilled locked away deep underground and the dragons are speaking to the Tevinters through dreams of some sort.

 

            Dumat is the one who told the Tevinters how to get to the black city, and this resulted in the Blight. Dumat WANTED the blight to happen. Dumat was the first archdemon to be corrupted by the darkspawn as well. Which in turn resulted in dumat finally being killed by grey wardens about 70 years later. When he was killed and the grey warden died, that released the soul. The Key.

 

            Now look at this quote found in the fade written into red lyrium.

 

            "Whispers Written in Red Lyrium:"

WE ARE HERE

WE HAVE WAITED

WE HAVE SLEPT

WE ARE SUNDERED

WE ARE CRIPPLED

WE ARE POLLUTED

WE ENDURE

WE WAIT

WE HAVE FOUND THE DREAMS AGAIN

WE WILL AWAKEN

 

            Who is we? I think that is the old elvehn gods working through the blight. Red lyrium is blighted lyrium and it is alive. The writing in the lyrium are so similar to how ancient elves talk. “we endure” is a common thing elves say. And “we slept” can be referring to the ancient elves in Uthenera, wherever they are locked away.

 

            So now let’s talk about Solas’ reaction to all the Dragon Gods being killed. The grey wardens wanted to go into the deep roads ahead of time and kill the last two Dragons to stop all future blight outbreaks.

 

            “how do you know things wont get worse if you kill them all” [Paraphrase]

 

            He responds angrily to all the dragons being killed. He is the one who locked away the old Elvehn gods. So he probably knows that the dragon souls are keys.

 

            It all just seems so similar to how doors are opened in Dragon Age Inquisition. What with having to open doors with smaller pieces of magic. Examples being the door at redcliff for the mage’s quest, the door at the temple where time is frozen, and the doors in the temple that only open if you collect all those weird skull thingies.

 

            So overall I think the blight has been a very long game by the old Elvehn gods to release the keys to their prison. They are eternal and have all the time in the world to wait. Solas’s prison is sturdy and they needed a long and powerful plan to get out.

 

            But where do the souls go after they are released? Do they go straight to the Illuvian to be unlocked? Why did Mythal want the soul/key? Why did Solas want it? How does this all fit into Mythal’s revenge/justice plot?

 

[/spoilers]

 

I actually agree with a lot of this! If you do do a talk about red lyrium and the elven gods, make sure to read up on Andruil's story about the void. It goes something like Andruil hunted in the void, and each time she returned back to the empire she was stricken with madness. The other gods couldn't convince her to stop going there. So she built armor to try and stop the madness from entering her. But it never really worked. Eventually, Mythal had to beat the **** out of her to get her to stop going. 

 

It sounds a lot like lyrium corruption, and the armor has similarities to Samson's. 


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Okay trying again.

Sorry for terrible quality. Xbox one has its upsides but inability to take a picture is not one of them. Its just a blurry cell phone shot.

https://picasaweb.go...092895033645314
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So if we take the English word "husband" (since English is Patrick Weekes' native tongue) and realize that it stems from the root meaning "house-bound," meaning someone who is tied to property...can we then infer that giving Skyhold to Lavellan means that Solas and Lavellan are basically married?  I THINK WE CAN. :P

 

 

Oh no. Ooooooh no. I just finally was able to listen to the interview. It's freezing in my house so this is basically the way I felt:

 

sad-jon-snow.gif

 

Also, the part that got me most in the description of the romance was Weekes saying that when he kissed you that last time, he was ready to lose himself in you. He wanted to let go of everything and just stay with you. For someone like Solas, that's huge. He thinks the entirety of his people is at stake and dependent on him staying the course and carrying out his plans and for a moment he was ready to give that up. To be with you.

 

Gosh, talk about falling hard and fast. I never want to see people doubting his feelings again. IT'S CANON, YA'LL. SOLAS IS CRAZY ABOUT YOU.  :D

 

Things I wanted to Like very badly, but I have no more Likes. @w@

 

There's also the mention in one of the notes about the heat coming from underneath that has me curious. Hot as a forge in spots, I think it says.

And I really want that tiny library alcove fixed up for my Mage!Lavellan.

 

Yes, I love that little library room.  I wish it could've been cleaned up.

 

What fascinates me about Skyhold is that apparently the attempt to recreate some of the original elven construction turned it into a massive energy conductor (lightning strikes).  That's weird.  And interesting.


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Just that Solas is such a sad being. He loves Lavellan so much, and almost told her the truth about everything but chickened out.

 

I haven't listened to it. I can't now, not after seeing all those quotes. Everything just hits too close to home. I can't stop crying. 

 

*provides tea or the hot beverage of your choice*



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Okay...Weekes needs to pass out bandaids and whatnot....so many hearts need patching up. We need to add some sugar to this tea of sadness.....I'm still trying to sit on team optimism that there will be some nice makeup stuffs...and maybe a semi-happy ending...*prays*


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So I don't know if this has already been done but I just listened to the podcast and transcribed as I went (a habit from sociology classes). It starts from 0:43/44, when they start talking about Solas (won't be 100% accurate since fast typing). 
 

*snips the sadness*

 

Thanks for doing this!  I didn't want to have to listen to the whole thing.


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Another note about elven gods and red lyrium- we also know that Solas can be infected with it, as he becomes corrupted by it in the alternate universe during the mage quest. 


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Okay trying again.

Sorry for terrible quality. Xbox one has its upsides but inability to take a picture is not one of them. Its just a blurry cell phone shot.

https://picasaweb.go...092895033645314

 

 

Aaaw she's so Pretty. Thanks for sharing the pic.  :)

 

 

Also Don't give up Solassians. Team Optimism.  ^_^


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So... I've missed a lot of stuff in this thread.  What happened in the podcast that made people so upset?

Patrick Weekes told the interviewers the whole reason the romance was written into the game was to underscore what a sympathetic/sad person Solas is.  He said if you want to get the full understanding of Solas' loneliness/sadness you have to romance him. Which is 'duh'.  I think some people are interpreting Weekes statement into  'there is absolutely no future for Solas/Lavellan' - which was not implied or said.  It seriously wasn't.  He merely mentioned it may make some people grumpy because he wrote the romance to be sad on purpose. He wanted to break your heart.

 

 He also admitted that Solas' intent was to tell the player everything, that's why he brought you to the glade but then he chickened out and told you about the vallaslin instead. Which I had assumed most people figured out...but I think it was a big surprise for a lot of people.

 

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For those who missed the podcast

And the podcast itself: http://www.nerdappro...patrick-weekes/

 

SOLAS ROMANCE STUFF
 
The romance WAS a later addition.
 
The romance was meant to make EVERYTHING SADDER??? I HATE YOU PATRICK.
 
You get to see that he DOES care about you. It's obvious, I hope, that his feelings for you are not fake, and he cares about you deeply, and he is one step from telling you the truth about himself. And GDL, his voice is just amazing, and he did a fantastic job on the delivery. There's one key moment where he says you deserve the truth, and he just breaks a tiny bit on that line, that's the part where he almost tells you. Then he twists it into telling you about the vallaslin instead.
 
He chickens out on it, because in that moment, and he's about to tell you, pulls back at the last moment, tells you about the vallaslin instead, goes in on the kiss and is just so ready to just lose himself and just forget about the past. And then he has to push back. The part where he steps back and his face changes because he knows he has to break it off right there or he's going to have betrayed himself - I just love that. And it is so sad, and it has broken the hearts of many players, and it broke my heart when I wrote it.

 

Honestly, that is what I felt was going on in that last scene anyway, he said you deserved the truth and then changed his mind, twice.  Once it telling you about who is, and then turning away at the end.  He obviously does love her to the point of turning his back on his duty, which is amazing to know that WAS the intention in the writing.

 

As sad as the podcast revelation is...to me it only solidifies that at some point they will find each other.  Love like that isn't replaceable or forgettable.  Neither will be truly at peace until they find each other again IMO.


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Patrick Weekes told the interviewers the whole reason the romance was written into the game was to underscore what a sympathetic/sad person Solas is.  He said if you want to get the full understanding of Solas' loneliness/sadness you have to romance him. Which is 'duh'.  I think some people are interpreting that there is absolutely no future for Solas/Lavellan - which was not implied or said.  It seriously wasn't.   He also admitted that Solas' intent was to tell the player everything, that's why he brought you to the glade but then he chickened out and told you about the vallaslin instead. Which I had assumed most people figured out...but I think it was a big surprised for a lot of people.

 

I agree.  The sadness doesn't mean there's no chance for happiness or resolution.  And I thought the 'truth' that Solas wanted to tell was that he was an acient elf/sort of a god was fairly obvious too.  (I'd actually figured out he was an ancient elf long before the ending.  I hadn't seen the Dread Wolf thing coming, though).


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Oh wow, I just listened to the Weekes interview, and the Mordin comparisons make me both sad and even more interested to see what comes next for Solas.

 

Mordin was one of my favorite characters from ME and one of the only characters in a video game to make me cry...ever. I remember my Shep hating his guts and calling him a war criminal....basically wanting to throw him out of an airlock at first for being a eugenicist. Then his loyalty mission was very emotional, and by the end of the Tuchanka arc in ME3, I was in tears. That is some crafty writing to pull off. So I'm confident whatever they decide to do with Solas, it will be well written and interesting. Even if it breaks my heart. :(

 

Some of you were talking about Little Red Riding hood a few pages back. I wanted to say I got that vibe too, in the last scene/stinger. In the old version of the fairy tale the wolf and the grandmother are "old friends" and the wolf "swallows" her into his belly. And well, I always liked Flemeth. I never killed her in Origins and she's kind of been like our creepy/wise grandmother, giving us cryptic advice and protecting our heroes for 3 games now. With romancing Soals, that scene was so hard to watch, because I love both characters. 


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And did anyone like the Jacob romance? I know there's a small group of people that liked the way the Thane arc ended, but I've never heard anyone say "man that Jacob romance was THE BEST." A lot of fans were unhappy with both, and the writers (actually, I think it might have been Weekes) said in some panel that one of the things they learned from ME3 was that players don't like feeling like something bad is inevitable, or that they are powerless to affect the outcome of major events. So that gives me hope that they wouldn't setup a romance where we're 100% guaranteed to have a tragic ending.

 

i was never interested enough in jacob to try his romance :/  i guess i liked him...?  to me, he just wasn't that interesting a character, which is a shame, because he's not a bad person.  i think he was just overshadowed by WONDERFUL characters like mordin, garrus, wrex, etc.  the majority of the ME crew had something that just made them so endearing to me.  jacob, in comparison, was just too normal >___<



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i was never interested enough in jacob to try his romance :/  i guess i liked him...?  to me, he just wasn't that interesting a character, which is a shame, because he's not a bad person.  i think he was just overshadowed by WONDERFUL characters like mordin, garrus, wrex, etc.  the majority of the ME crew had something that just made them so endearing to me.  jacob, in comparison, was just too normal >___<

Question, if you romanced Jacob in ME2 - does he still go off with that other chick in ME3.  So if you romance him, he's like 'whoops, knocked her up while you were jail babe. sorry. not sorry!'  that is so awful and hilarious.



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Question, if you romanced Jacob in ME2 - does he still go off with that other chick in ME3.  So if you romance him, he's like 'whoops, knocked her up while you were jail babe. sorry. not sorry!'  that is so awful and hilarious.

 

He still does romance Brynn <_<  I don't like ascribing motivations to the writers or assuming bad things about their intentions, but somewhere along the line, the ball totally got dropped.

 

As for ME2 Jacob, he grew on me as a character.  He was really normal compared to anyone else, but I appreciated that considering how absolutely nuts everyone else is in some respect.  He was an anchor and a bro to both of my Shepards.


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Question, if you romanced Jacob in ME2 - does he still go off with that other chick in ME3.  So if you romance him, he's like 'whoops, knocked her up while you were jail babe. sorry. not sorry!'  that is so awful and hilarious.

 

yes, he starts a relationship with brynn (fem!hawke!) no matter what.

 

EDIT: whoops sable beat me to it XD



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I really REALLY disliked Jacob from the beginning..I dunno..I just got a real bad vibe from him...and then he cheats on Shepard. I can't even try to like the guy..I can't even talk to him anymore when I play... knowing.



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I actually agree with a lot of this! If you do do a talk about red lyrium and the elven gods, make sure to read up on Andruil's story about the void. It goes something like Andruil hunted in the void, and each time she returned back to the empire she was stricken with madness. The other gods couldn't convince her to stop going there. So she built armor to try and stop the madness from entering her. But it never really worked. Eventually, Mythal had to beat the **** out of her to get her to stop going. 

 

It sounds a lot like lyrium corruption, and the armor has similarities to Samson's. 

 

 

BUT! ONE. LAST. THING.

 

Andruil’s story of when she went mad.

 

“One day Andruil grew tired of hunting mortal men and beasts. She began stalking The Forgotten Ones, wicked things that thrive in the abyss. Yet even a god should not linger there, and each time she entered the Void, Andruil suffered longer and longer periods of madness after returning.

 

“Andruil put on armor made of the Void, and all forgot her true face. She made weapons of darkness, and plague ate her lands. She howled things meant to be forgotten, and the other gods became fearful Andruil would hunt them in turn. So Mythal spread rumors of a monstrous creature and took the form of a great serpent, waiting for Andruil at the base of a mountain.

 

“When Andruil came, Mythal sprang on the hunter. They fought for three day and nights, Andruil slashing deep gouges in the serpent's hide. But Mythal's magic sapped Andruil's strength, and stole her knowledge of how to find the Void. After this, the great hunter could never make her way back to the abyss, and peace returned.

 

 

Andruil’s Armor sounds like the red lyrium armor the Samson had. It made him go mad. And there are paintings in the temple of mythal that looks like pictures of elves with red lyrium poisoning.

 

What if the dragons are keys to a prison for something even worse? Something even older than the Elvehn gods. Something even the Elvehn gods were afraid of? The forgotten ones.

 

The forgotten ones are the gods that the elves locked away first.

 

Anaris

Geldauran

Daern'thal

And possibly: one of their kin was Fen’Harel. Solas.