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[_Lucinia]

Crap I'm not through all of the pages I missed and I am out of likes already!

About to listen to the interview with Patrick Weekes.   Scintilla is a Team Optimism convert?!  Whoa interview must be good.  

[kalasaurus]

He still does romance Brynn   I don't like ascribing motivations to the writers or assuming bad things about their intentions, but somewhere along the line, the ball totally got dropped.

 

That was painful to watch, too.  And not just the cheating part, but the way it was handled.  Ugh.

 

[Eivuwan]

What if the old gods are actually guarding something? Every time one becomes corrupted by the blight or gets killed, the closer it is to unlocking the great evil?

[scintilla]

Crap I'm not through all of the pages I missed and I am out of likes already!

About to listen to the interview with Patrick Weekes.   Scintilla is a Team Optimism convert?!  Whoa interview must be good.  

 

I was doing the Team Optimism thing before the interview came out. Since brass_buckles said they needed kitten hugs this morning. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

I can't even talk to him anymore when I play... knowing.

 

I killed him off during the suicide mission.  I liked the character in ME2, and I felt like having him go out in a blaze of glory was better than the disservice he suffered in ME3.

 

I agree.  The sadness doesn't mean there's no chance for happiness or resolution.  And I thought the 'truth' that Solas wanted to tell was that he was an acient elf/sort of a god was fairly obvious too.  (I'd actually figured out he was an ancient elf long before the ending.  I hadn't seen the Dread Wolf thing coming, though).

 

Chiming in for Team (cautious) Optimism here: if Solas was already so close to telling Lavellan the truth and turning his back on his past more-or-less of his own volition, I really think Lavellan has a decent shot at talking some sense into him if we get Wolf Hunt DLC.  He wants to tell her the truth, and at least part of him wants to bury his past.  He just needs help letting go of all that guilt and pain, sort of like Cole's character quest.

[HurricaneGinger]

 

*provides tea or the hot beverage of your choice*

 

*takes and curls under table with blanket* ty

 

 

Honestly, that is what I felt was going on in that last scene anyway, he said you deserved the truth and then changed his mind, twice.  Once it telling you about who is, and then turning away at the end.  He obviously does love her to the point of turning his back on his duty, which is amazing to know that WAS the intention in the writing.

 

As sad as the podcast revelation is...to me it only solidifies that at some point they will find each other.  Love like that isn't replaceable or forgettable.  Neither will be truly at peace until they find each other again IMO.

 

Chiming in for Team (cautious) Optimism here: if Solas was already so close to telling Lavellan the truth and turning his back on his past more-or-less of his own volition, I really think Lavellan has a decent shot at talking some sense into him if we get Wolf Hunt DLC.  He wants to tell her the truth, and at least part of him wants to bury his past.  He just needs help letting go of all that guilt and pain, sort of like Cole's character quest.

 

I certainly hope you're both right.

 

I need to step away for a bit, y'all. Too many emotions, too much going on in my head. Love y'all to bits.

[Yaslana]

[quote name="Sashimi_taco" post="18240742" timestamp="1420055806"]OKAY I THINK...
 
 
I THINK I'M CRAZY...
 
 
BUT I ALSO THINK I'M RIGHT. 
 
[spoilers]
 
“The Dragons Unlock It”

 

            About a week ago I found this written next to my bed when I woke up. I’ve been trying to figure out exactly what I was thinking in my twilight sleep every since and I think I’ve figured it out.
 
            Hear me out and listen to my whole Theory before you dismiss it.
 
            The 7 Dragon Gods of the Tevinter Empire held the keys to opening the doors to where the Old Elvehn gods are. My assumption would be the souls are the keys to the Illuvians that lead to the old gods.
 
Morrigan says that all illuvians have a different key to open them. Like how the one at the temple of Mythal needed the power of the well.
 
[quote of morrigan saying all Illuvians have different keys]
Morrigan’s son has the soul of one of the Dragon Gods that was killed in Dragon Age: Origins, which opened the Illuvian she had. Morrigan was able to first open that Illuvian when she was with the god baby. Morrigan says she doesn’t understand how her son was able to open the Illuvian, but it was because he had the soul to open it! I don’t think she ever really figured this out and never realized what the soul in him was really needed for!
 
            Corypheus was a worshiper of Dumat, the Dragon God. But he never actually saw Dumat as evidence of his final words.
 
            [“Dumat if you ever existed. Ever truly existed. Aid me now”]
 
So I am assuming at the point of being worshipped by the Tevinter Empire, Dumat and the other dragons are stilled locked away deep underground and the dragons are speaking to the Tevinters through dreams of some sort.
 
            Dumat is the one who told the Tevinters how to get to the black city, and this resulted in the Blight. Dumat WANTED the blight to happen. Dumat was the first archdemon to be corrupted by the darkspawn as well. Which in turn resulted in dumat finally being killed by grey wardens about 70 years later. When he was killed and the grey warden died, that released the soul. The Key.
 
            Now look at this quote found in the fade written into red lyrium.
 
            "Whispers Written in Red Lyrium:"
WE ARE HERE
WE HAVE WAITED
WE HAVE SLEPT
WE ARE SUNDERED
WE ARE CRIPPLED
WE ARE POLLUTED
WE ENDURE
WE WAIT
WE HAVE FOUND THE DREAMS AGAIN
WE WILL AWAKEN
 
            Who is we? I think that is the old elvehn gods working through the blight. Red lyrium is blighted lyrium and it is alive. The writing in the lyrium are so similar to how ancient elves talk. “we endure” is a common thing elves say. And “we slept” can be referring to the ancient elves in Uthenera, wherever they are locked away.
 
            So now let’s talk about Solas’ reaction to all the Dragon Gods being killed. The grey wardens wanted to go into the deep roads ahead of time and kill the last two Dragons to stop all future blight outbreaks.
 
            “how do you know things wont get worse if you kill them all” [Paraphrase]
 
            He responds angrily to all the dragons being killed. He is the one who locked away the old Elvehn gods. So he probably knows that the dragon souls are keys.
 
            It all just seems so similar to how doors are opened in Dragon Age Inquisition. What with having to open doors with smaller pieces of magic. Examples being the door at redcliff for the mage’s quest, the door at the temple where time is frozen, and the doors in the temple that only open if you collect all those weird skull thingies.
 
            So overall I think the blight has been a very long game by the old Elvehn gods to release the keys to their prison. They are eternal and have all the time in the world to wait. Solas’s prison is sturdy and they needed a long and powerful plan to get out.
 
            But where do the souls go after they are released? Do they go straight to the Illuvian to be unlocked? Why did Mythal want the soul/key? Why did Solas want it? How does this all fit into Mythal’s revenge/justice plot?
 
[/spoilers][/quote]

Can I interpret this in the way that maybe he doesn't want to free them but keep them contained?

The veil is weakening. 4 old god souls are released? You need 7 keys to free the gods. 4 locks are open. They got the uthemiel key so this lock stays closed...
But maybe its enough to open 6 of the locks. Then the gods can break the last lock?

So killing the last two old gods instantly opens the another two locks. The prison is weak enough so they can break free?

OMFG this... Huh... Changes everything.

If you meant it this way.

But somehow this makes fricking sense...

[Colonelkillabee]

OKAY I THINK...

 

 

I THINK I'M CRAZY...

 

snip

 

[/spoilers]

You're not crazy, I was saying more or less the same thing about Solas' reaction, dumat and the like. Long story short and to avoid getting way off topic, I agree. The old gods want to be awakened, and Solas likely knows that.
 Which as the astrariums suggest, and his reaction suggests, the old gods are indeed the elven forgotten ones.

 

Also, even a warden's death doesn't destroy the old gods. Dumat's sanctuary shows he still has power, as he summoned demons if you defiled it, and Cornflakes was granted his power in DA 2 when called upon. The old gods are still around, and awakening them means something bad for everyone, likely, as they're referred to as the "pillars of the world".

 

Honestly, it sounds to me like awakening them is necessary for tearing down the veil. I think the veil is part of what keeps them restrained, and with Solas' key strengthening the veil, and his orbs strengthening it (I don't buy that he's tricking us with those), it makes me think people might be wrong about Solas' true intentions. Despite what he says in the beginning about a world with no veil. His words about never thinking he'd experience the fade physically makes me think he never intended to tear it down as well.

 

Only thing I can think of is he changes his mind about the whole thing later on. With him being kin to both clans of gods, tearing it down, strengthening it, he could really go either way. Our key has the power to do both, after all.

[Ajna]

 

 

 

*takes and curls under table with blanket* ty

 

 

 

 

I certainly hope you're both right.

 

I need to step away for a bit, y'all. Too many emotions, too much going on in my head. Love y'all to bits.

 

[Willow_Elessidil]

LOL uhhh...some of the art for Solas...just....

 

 

http://www.deviantar...ceful-488232913

[Illyria]

Chiming in for Team (cautious) Optimism here: if Solas was already so close to telling Lavellan the truth and turning his back on his past more-or-less of his own volition, I really think Lavellan has a decent shot at talking some sense into him if we get Wolf Hunt DLC.  He wants to tell her the truth, and at least part of him wants to bury his past.  He just needs help letting go of all that guilt and pain, sort of like Cole's character quest.

 

I am completely Team Optimism.  I think because female characters tend to get depressing romances/romances with no way to end happily a lot of people are assuming the worst.

 

People seem to be talking about Jacob for some reason.  I found him so dull I actually forgot he was on the ship.  And then ME3 rolled around and I hate him on behalf of anyone who romanced him (so glad my Shepard was a one-asari woman.)

[zambixi]

That was painful to watch, too.  And not just the cheating part, but the way it was handled.  Ugh.

 

 

That is painful. And not in a like - oh that's so sad and tragic sort of way - it's just bad. All of that dialogue just seems beneath Shepard. It was also a little unfair that 2/3 of the ME2 romances for (straight) women ended poorly with no way to change their outcome. I guess that's why straight women get two bonus romances in DA:I? To make up for it? So both of those romances are going to have happy endings right? >.>

[BoscoBread]

OFF TOPIC: Regarding the Jacob video - Wow.  I had NO idea that's how it goes down.  That was TERRIBLY handled.  I feel real bad for people that romanced him and actually wanted some sort of bittersweet closure. 

 

I pray to anything that Solas' **** doesn't go down like that.   Or if it does, they make me hate him enough to not care.

[Illyria]

 

 

 

*takes and curls under table with blanket* ty

 

 

 

 

I certainly hope you're both right.

 

I need to step away for a bit, y'all. Too many emotions, too much going on in my head. Love y'all to bits.

 

 

I really hope you're okay.

[nranola]

I just finished listening to the podcast and... oh my god. I'm going to try and sound as coherent as possible.

 

It's something of a comfort to have that validation that Solas was never dishonest about his feelings for Lavellan - that's a big deal for a guy with plenty of reasons to lie. More than that, he went with the intention of telling Lavellan who he really was, came so close to leaving the past behind him, because she just meant so much to him. Whatever the future holds, lethallin, at least we have this! This is pretty amazing on its own already!

 

I don't feel like that vallaslin scene was any lesser after what Weekes has told us. Regardless of whether or not Solas planned to offer to remove the vallaslin from the get go, it was still a very meaningful and thoughtful gesture.

 

Agh... So many feelings.

[Yaslana]

OFF TOPIC: Regarding the Jacob video - Wow.  I had NO idea that's how it goes down.  That was TERRIBLY handled.  I feel real bad for people that romanced him and actually wanted some sort of bittersweet closure. 
 
I pray to anything that Solas' **** doesn't go down like that.   Or if it does, they make me hate him enough to not care.

Pulling a Jakob / doing a Jakob became a synonym for "bioware fucked the romance up"

At least you could punch Jakob in citadel DLC.

[RynJ]

Oh Jacob. He was a great bro but a terrible romance. It was obvious that BioWare never took that romance path seriously from the very beginning. I remember the way Shepard talked to Jacob, like something out of some bad porno. I wish they'd never made him an option and just funneled the resources into the other ME2 romances. 

 

No matter how Solas' romance turns out, he's already 10x the romance option Jacob was.

[kalasaurus]

Oh Jacob. He was a great bro but a terrible romance. It was obvious that BioWare never took that romance path seriously from the very beginning. I remember the way Shepard talked to Jacob, like something out of some bad porno. I wish they'd never made him an option and just funneled the resources into the other ME2 romances. 

 

No matter how Solas' romance turns out, he's already 10x the romance option Jacob was.

 

Oh, come on.  We all know this is how Solas acted when he sneaked into the Inquisitor's quarters.

 

[slmisfit]

That was painful to watch, too.  And not just the cheating part, but the way it was handled.  Ugh.

 

That right there is exactly why I got the heebie-jeebies when I first tried flirting with Jacob and why I decided his romance was a big NO THANK YOU. It's almost as bad as the "romance" with Vega in ME3. It feels so friggin manipulative and unhealthy and I don't like it at all. I have no idea what the writers were thinking.

 

EDIT: Here's Vega's "romance" in the Citadel DLC, since I brought it up.

 

 

It's. Just. So. Uncomfortable.

[CardinalSin90]

I am not feeling really well today..and now the podcast has made me sad

I had a feeling the truth he wanted to reveal was about himself. Sigh I resign myself to some hot cocoa..

[Willow_Elessidil]

Honestly, that is what I felt was going on in that last scene anyway, he said you deserved the truth and then changed his mind, twice.  Once it telling you about who is, and then turning away at the end.  He obviously does love her to the point of turning his back on his duty, which is amazing to know that WAS the intention in the writing.

 

As sad as the podcast revelation is...to me it only solidifies that at some point they will find each other.  Love like that isn't replaceable or forgettable.  Neither will be truly at peace until they find each other again IMO.

 

 

*takes and curls under table with blanket* ty

 

I certainly hope you're both right.

 

I need to step away for a bit, y'all. Too many emotions, too much going on in my head. Love y'all to bits.

 

 

Try not and let it get to you, really, I took the info from the podcast as good news.  As I said in that previous post we have confirmation he DOES love her enough to turn away from his duty, which means that Lavellan is nowhere near being off his mind.  

 

Love like that doesn't just go away, they will each seek each other out when the time is right.

[Uirebhiril]

Oh, come on.  We all know this is how Solas acted when he sneaked into the Inquisitor's quarters.

 

 

*cringe*

 

You should srlsly get banished to the corner for reminding anyone of THE PRIIIIIZEE.

[Nika]

I just noticed something too

Wasn't Corypheus blue in DA2, I mean like the stuff that sticks to his body?

And in DAI he's red, maybe he got corrupted by red lyrium or something too

I hope this isn't mentioned in game, I can remember haha

Also, when he uses the orb...

[electricfish]

Whew! Catching up on this thread after a night is hard work. 

 

My interpretation of the vallaslin with the new info from the podcast: Solas probably planned to use it as a segue into however he was going to tell Lavelln about himself. Big kiss, tell a little story about how vallaslin is different from the modern interpretation, then ease into  what Fen'Harel's vallaslin looked like and how Fen'Harel is different than the modern interpretation. 

Since he gets this cold shock that he needs to walk away and really can't/shouldn't tell Lavellan what's really going on, he just manages this bad cover up about the vallaslin itself. There really isn't a graceful way for him to talk about it, or even introduce the idea of getting rid of it, which makes the whole scene even worse for feels because it's obvious something else is on his mind.

[RynJ]

*cringe*

 

You should srlsly get banished to the corner for reminding anyone of THE PRIIIIIZEE.

 

Romance Solas. Heavy risk, but the thiiiiiiiighs.

 

He would have been such a great romance, but the liiiiiiiiiies.

 

 

Too much sadness in the air. Post happy headcanons about Solas or your Inquisitor and Solas!