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[scintilla]

What do you think hugging Solas would be like?

 

I imagine if Lavellan initiated, he'd tense up at first because he's not used to it but then he'd melt into it and wrap himself around her like he does when he kisses her. 

 

Exactly like that, honestly. Lavellan would have to initiate but he would totally do the wrapping around her thing.

 

I guess the alternative is this: Solas' story as it stands is sad. He goes on to do other things that just make everyone shake their heads because he's wrong and everyone see's he's wrong but he does what he's doing anyway. You go to him and your choice is only to stop him from doing this terrible thing or not stop him. You get a romance scene or a few lines and it's basically like, "yeah I'm sorry but I have these goes and like I said before we can't be together." All that just seems way too static. I feel like at this point redemption is the more interesting option.

 

I feel like he still has to change somehow. If that's moving forward or if he ends up falling back, he needs to go somewhere. I like to think it will be moving forward even if that's the hardest way to go. I would be happy with a promise of someday for Lavellan and Solas. If they can't be together right then and what he's doing isn't a big mistake, at least there would be something to go on other than the break up and him breaking everyone's heart.

 

I'm out of likes, but could you wave it extra hard for me?  I'm still there, leading the Team, I'm just feeling a bit bruised tonight, I need a break from flag waving...

 

[Dgyre]

My thoughts exactly, you've naild them all in one brilliant post. Would like it if I could

 

You know guys, as a clinical psychologist I am so very tempted to write some paper on this profound involvement with fictional characters nowadays. After all with modern ways of visualisation and voice acting it's a whole new level compared to novels and stuff

 

I don't know, I'm pretty in depth involved with my beloved literary characters, as much if not more so than these video game charactesr, we just didn't have message boards to share it when I was young

 

I think it is an amazing advancement that video game characters have the depth and plot of full literary characters, I love this era of video games, Origins was like playing through your own fantasy novel..

[Blue Gloves]

Good night all, and happy new year!!!  I get to go home early from work today!  yay!  This unfortunately means no more holiday-slacking-off, and hanging out in the Solas Recovery Wing because its time to make sure the house is scrubbed and gleaming... Damn you mother!  It is completely your fault that I am incapable of starting the New Year with a messy home and can't just go ring in the New Year at the beach with all the sane, non-home-cleaning people!

[BubbleDncr]

I'm supposed to be getting ready for a New Year's Party but I'm listening to the podcast again because apparently I hate myself.

 

Weekes: "Well OK...let me word it...because I feel like the honest answer would just make people grumpy with me...it was to make it sadder. Hi Solasmancers, I'm so sorry guys."

 

That's the line that guts me. He's not like, "ah I cant give you the honest answer because of spoilers," it's because reasons hurt.

 

I dunno, I still think and hope we'll have the option to affect him in some way. He was pretty static in Inquisition, even within the romance. We never really get the opportunity to go toe-to-toe (barefoot if you're Dalish, hehe) with Solas, to directly challenge him. We know so little about him in DAI that it is almost impossible to do so. Once the Inquisitior knows everything, I'd like to be able to really confront him, and to make him defend himself and not just say "you can't understand". Even if that comes after he does whatever it is he plans to do. Then Quizzie can say, "alright that's fair" or "no that's wrong" and Solas reacts accordingly. I really, really hope that within that confrontation, there's an extra mini-cutscene if you romanced him where you can also abandon or re-affirm the relationship.

 

I guess the alternative is this: Solas' story as it stands is sad. He goes on to do other things that just make everyone shake their heads because he's wrong and everyone see's he's wrong but he does what he's doing anyway. You go to him and your choice is only to stop him from doing this terrible thing or not stop him. You get a romance scene or a few lines and it's basically like, "yeah I'm sorry but I have these goes and like I said before we can't be together." All that just seems way too static. I feel like at this point redemption is the more interesting option.

 

But what do I know, I don't write video games! But I'm waving the Team Optimism flag

 

I still consider myself Team Optimism. Just very sad at the moment. 

 

Here, have a happy song to sing. it'll make you feel better. 

[Uirebhiril]

I guess the alternative is this: Solas' story as it stands is sad. He goes on to do other things that just make everyone shake their heads because he's wrong and everyone see's he's wrong but he does what he's doing anyway. You go to him and your choice is only to stop him from doing this terrible thing or not stop him. You get a romance scene or a few lines and it's basically like, "yeah I'm sorry but I have these goes and like I said before we can't be together." All that just seems way too static. I feel like at this point redemption is the more interesting option.

 

 

The thing for me is, I don't want him to be wrong. Not completely. That's a story that's been told more than once, and even if the outcome of whatever is going on is oh-****-worthy, I still want it to be more complex than Now I Am A Villain. Or even I Must Do This Thing that makes him an anti-hero. Something that really is shades of gray, morally complex, and really makes you think. Not just standard bad-guy fare. Not a typical oh, la, he MUST follow this through because he's tragically silly and feels he must, but because one way or another, he really needs to in order to prevent something worse or help out in ways that might not seem like it at first, but really is what is necessary.

 

It might sound like this comes from a place of bias since I romanced him, but it honestly is just wanting to see the character and his actions be more involving than that. If all we ever get is a Fade dream of goodbyes, fine, but I'd rather that and he be something more than going down the ho-hum path in which he'll just be a boss fight in a DLC.

 

I got faith, but I still worry.

[electricfish]

Good night all, and happy new year!!!  I get to go home early from work today!  yay!  This unfortunately means no more holiday-slacking-off, and hanging out in the Solas Recovery Wing because its time to make sure the house is scrubbed and gleaming... Damn you mother!  It is completely your fault that I am incapable of starting the New Year with a messy home and can't just go ring in the New Year at the beach with all the sane, non-home-cleaning people!

 

Think of it this way: you have a clean house so you don't trip over anything while either stomping around shouting at WEEEEEEKES ):<, or giddily skipping throughout your house singing WEEEEEEKES , depending on what sorts of developments and discussions we have in the meantime.

[Sah291]

I'm supposed to be getting ready for a New Year's Party but I'm listening to the podcast again because apparently I hate myself.

Weekes: "Well OK...let me word it...because I feel like the honest answer would just make people grumpy with me...it was to make it sadder. Hi Solasmancers, I'm so sorry guys."

That's the line that guts me. He's not like, "ah I cant give you the honest answer because of spoilers," it's because reasons hurt.

I think it's just....what bioware writer wants to admit to fans they wrote a romance to be sad...lol...

I wouldn't assume it means anything more one way or the other. I agree with his choice though, the game ending is overall very happy, the story needed that little bit sorrow/loss at the end, that the Solas romance gives. That's why it's my favorite.

[Roxy]

I'll bet my beard that if he did, every last one of you would love every second of it

 

 

Not this chick!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also why is everybody so pessimistic now?...Whatever they talked about on the podcast doesn't mean there is going to be a bad ending to Lavellan and Solas's romance. 

[BubbleDncr]

I think it's just....what bioware writer wants to admit to fans they wrote a romance to be sad...lol...

I wouldn't assume it means anything more one way or the other. I agree with his choice though, the game ending is overall very happy, the story needed that little bit sorrow/loss at the end, that the Solas romance gives. That's why it's my favorite.

 

Tell that to the people who had to pick between Hawke and Alistair. 

[zambixi]

I'm out of likes, but could you wave it extra hard for me?  I'm still there, leading the Team, I'm just feeling a bit bruised tonight, I need a break from flag waving...

 

Team Optimism shepherded me through the crisis that was the datamine reveal. I will support our fearless leader through this time of darkness before the light that comes with 2015. Don't you worry.

 

We'll see Solas and he'll be all:

 

And Lavellan will be all gorgeous like:

 

 

And then he'll realize his mistakes and be all:

 

 

 

You'll see

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly, you've nailed them all in one brilliant post. Would like it if I could

 

You know guys, as a clinical psychologist I am so very tempted to write some paper on this profound involvement with fictional characters nowadays. After all with modern ways of visualisation and voice acting it's a whole new level compared to novels and stuff

 

DO IT DO IT. I did it, not for psychology but for literature. Actually I did a series of papers talking about the nature of literature and people's involvement in it. It's not just "nowadays," you should check out what happened with Sherlock Holmes (it goes back earlier but Holmes is a popular example). The Pleasure of the Text by Roland Barthes talks about plaisir (in the simplest terms I can make it...pleasure derived from the familiar), and jouissance (in this conext: greater/worse pleasure that results from the fracturing of the familiar), and I think it'd be really interesting to look at the different DAI companions - especially Cullen/Solas - through that lens. Now I wanna write it...

[electricfish]

I still consider myself Team Optimism. Just very sad at the moment. 

 

Here, have a happy song to sing. it'll make you feel better. 

 

 

I'm not going to lie. That song totally makes me think of Solas if he decided to stay with Lavellan and was a little less angsty about betraying his cause. Or at least was trying to find a way to work through it over a longer period of time than Inquisition allows.

[kalasaurus]

Tell that to the people who had to pick between Hawke and Alistair. 

 

I made a worldstate with that choice on purpose this playthrough.  I had already decided to sacrifice Hawke, but it was a lot harder and sadder than I expected because...

Spoiler

 

[vierrae]

I don't know, I'm pretty in depth involved with my beloved literary characters, as much if not more so than these video game charactesr, we just didn't have message boards to share it when I was young

 

I think it is an amazing advancement that video game characters have the depth and plot of full literary characters, I love this era of video games, Origins was like playing through your own fantasy novel..

I see what you mean, but it depends mostly on one's character to be able to use one's imagination on deep enough level to achieve such involvement with character. Video games allow almost anyone, even without rich imagination, to achieve it. Don't know how to write it without psychological terms.

[Colonelkillabee]

Not this chick!  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also why is everybody so pessimistic now?...Whatever they talked about on the podcast doesn't mean there is going to be a bad ending to Lavellan and Solas's romance. 

 

It's probably the not knowing that's getting to people. Like I said, think Morrigan and Loghain.

[Illyria]

I don't think so...I think part of the point was that he isn't a villain. Patrick said he had trouble writing villains and gave an example of an actual villain he wrote. Solas is meant to be more complicated than that, someone who makes bad decisions for a cause he believes is moral. Yes I went and used that line again. Bottom line, I don't think Patrick sees Solas as a villain.

 

'It's more complicated than that' is what everyone should remember when talking about Solas.

[Sashimi_taco]

Team Optimism shepherded me through the crisis that was the datamine reveal. I will support our fearless leader through this time of darkness before the light that comes with 2015. Don't you worry.

 

We'll see Solas and he'll be all:

 

And Lavellan will be all gorgeous like:

 

 

And then he'll realize his mistakes and be all:

 

 

 

You'll see

 

 

 

 

I like this I like this I like this.

 

I want this like this.

[Dgyre]

I see what you mean, but it depends mostly on one's character to be able to use one's imagination on deep enough level to achieve such involvement with character. Video games allow almost anyone, even without rich imagination, to achieve it. Don't know how to rite it without psychological terms.

 

Still totally do it!! Just don't discount us old folks who got super intense with our books n scrolls and stone tablets....

 

But it definitely allows for a different and new way of attaching to the characters!

[Ajna]

Team Optimism shepherded me through the crisis that was the datamine reveal. I will support our fearless leader through this time of darkness before the light that comes with 2015. Don't you worry.

 

We'll see Solas and he'll be all:

 

And Lavellan will be all gorgeous like:

 

 

And then he'll realize his mistakes and be all:

 

 

 

You'll see

 

 

 

 

DO IT DO IT. I did it, not for psychology but for literature. Actually I did a series of papers talking about the nature of literature and people's involvement in it. It's not just "nowadays," you should check out what happened with Sherlock Holmes (it goes back earlier but Holmes is a popular example). The Pleasure of the Text by Roland Barthes talks about plaisir (in the simplest terms I can make it...pleasure derived from the familiar), and jouissance (in this conext: greater/worse pleasure that results from the fracturing of the familiar), and I think it'd be really interesting to look at the different DAI companions - especially Cullen/Solas - through that lens. Now I wanna write it...

[Dgyre]

I like this I like this I like this.

 

I want this like this.

 

I liked it for you

[Ajna]

Exactly like that, honestly. Lavellan would have to initiate but he would totally do the wrapping around her thing.

 

 

I feel like he still has to change somehow. If that's moving forward or if he ends up falling back, he needs to go somewhere. I like to think it will be moving forward even if that's the hardest way to go. I would be happy with a promise of someday for Lavellan and Solas. If they can't be together right then and what he's doing isn't a big mistake, at least there would be something to go on other than the break up and him breaking everyone's heart.

 

 

 

(these are all I have in me atm)

[BubbleDncr]

I made a worldstate with that choice on purpose this playthrough.  I had already decided to sacrifice Hawke, but it was a lot harder and sadder than I expected because...

 

 

snip

 

I had that option in my last playthrough (Sebastain romance), but Alistair wasn't in a romance with my Warden. I actually don't have a playthrough of that, I'll have to make a world state in the Keep just for it - which will obviously make me less sad for those characters, since I didn't spend any time with that Warden or Hawke..

 

Sebastian's a widower now. But this is the playthrough where all my protagonists die, sigh. 

[Uirebhiril]

I made a worldstate with that choice on purpose this playthrough.  I had already decided to sacrifice Hawke, but it was a lot harder and sadder than I expected because...

 

Spoiler

 

 

And I just for real teared up. My heart. I am never doing that to you, Fenris. Ever.

 

(watch the survivor be the one who stayed in the Fade, rather than went to Weisshaupt. )

[electricfish]

Unrelated, but does anyone with the Deluxe edition listen to the game soundtrack while playing? It's somewhat amusing to hear Val Royeux's music while exploring the Fallow Mire, or Thedas' Love Song while fighting demons or a dragon.

[BubbleDncr]

Team Optimism shepherded me through the crisis that was the datamine reveal. I will support our fearless leader through this time of darkness before the light that comes with 2015. Don't you worry.

 

We'll see Solas and he'll be all:

 

And Lavellan will be all gorgeous like:

 

 

And then he'll realize his mistakes and be all:

 

 

 

You'll see

 

 

 

 

DO IT DO IT. I did it, not for psychology but for literature. Actually I did a series of papers talking about the nature of literature and people's involvement in it. It's not just "nowadays," you should check out what happened with Sherlock Holmes (it goes back earlier but Holmes is a popular example). The Pleasure of the Text by Roland Barthes talks about plaisir (in the simplest terms I can make it...pleasure derived from the familiar), and jouissance (in this conext: greater/worse pleasure that results from the fracturing of the familiar), and I think it'd be really interesting to look at the different DAI companions - especially Cullen/Solas - through that lens. Now I wanna write it...

 

And I'll be all, "OMG SOLAS IS A GIRL!!!"

 

Sorry, just kinda noticed that about the last pic....

[zambixi]

Exactly like that, honestly. Lavellan would have to initiate but he would totally do the wrapping around her thing.

 

 

I feel like he still has to change somehow. If that's moving forward or if he ends up falling back, he needs to go somewhere. I like to think it will be moving forward even if that's the hardest way to go. I would be happy with a promise of someday for Lavellan and Solas. If they can't be together right then and what he's doing isn't a big mistake, at least there would be something to go on other than the break up and him breaking everyone's heart.

 

 

 

 

What did you do with scintilla why are you so optimistic now?!

 

If they can't be together, I would really like a big affirmation of his love for her. Not the self-sacrificing "you're free" nonsense we got, but a real, honest-to-goodness confession. Like Tidus and Yuna in FFX. That I would be OK with. That would satisfy my need for happy feels. Then let whatever tragedy that needs to happen happy.

 

The thing for me is, I don't want him to be wrong. Not completely. That's a story that's been told more than once, and even if the outcome of whatever is going on is oh-****-worthy, I still want it to be more complex than Now I Am A Villain. Or even I Must Do This Thing that makes him an anti-hero. Something that really is shades of gray, morally complex, and really makes you think. Not just standard bad-guy fare. Not a typical oh, la, he MUST follow this through because he's tragically silly and feels he must, but because one way or another, he really needs to in order to prevent something worse or help out in ways that might not seem like it at first, but really is what is necessary.

 

It might sound like this comes from a place of bias since I romanced him, but it honestly is just wanting to see the character and his actions be more involving than that. If all we ever get is a Fade dream of goodbyes, fine, but I'd rather that and he be something more than going down the ho-hum path in which he'll just be a boss fight in a DLC.

 

I got faith, but I still worry.

 

Oh, I 100% agree with you. Like I said I think if he's straight-up wrong and on the railroad tracks to wrongness it would be really static and boring for players (and Weekes). I think we'll get something.

 

I could actually see a situation where you can convince him to abandon his plans entirely, and then new-god Morrigan comes in and completes them for him. As much as they fight they seem to have similar motivations, she just knows a lot less. Spread the morally ambiguous romances around!

 

I think it's just....what bioware writer wants to admit to fans they wrote a romance to be sad...lol...

I wouldn't assume it means anything more one way or the other. I agree with his choice though, the game ending is overall very happy, the story needed that little bit sorrow/loss at the end, that the Solas romance gives. That's why it's my favorite.

 

I hope he means he wanted it to be sad here, and not sad forever. I'm totally in love with it being sad in the main game. I'm so involved in part because it's so heartbreaking. I still think all players - regardless of romance - should have a chance to side with or against him, or affect his character in some way.