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[DraconisWolf]

Thank you all for the warm welcome.

Indeed I think there was an option to press him abit about the 'missing court intrigue' thing, but he gets so defensive and totally slightly dislikes your poking. I think that our Levallans should get the chance to shine with some observation skills. With great effort on my part , I managed to make a fem Trevelyan and he's definitely alot more guarded.

I spent this new years just replaying the fade-snogging scene over and over (yes , my social life is the stuff of dreams lol) I love how he shakes his head with a slight smile when he pulls her closer. Like he's thinking 'Oh what have you done ,little mortal. There is no turning back now"

Also , I think I'm more leaning towards Team Optimists, but keeping in mind that my expectations are pretty low at this point. 

[Abyss108]

It can definitely get worse, and yes, going by BioWare's track record, I think the best we'll get is Lavellan helping the new protagonist help fix Solas' mess and she gets one line, something like "He used to love me" or some other flat handwaved nonsense.

 

I have no faith in BioWare anymore, sorry.  Yeah, they threw straight female characters the Cullen bone (har!) but that's all they think we deserve, because, HEY, let's make a tragic railroaded romance just to humanize the villain!  Oh, make it gated to straight female characters because they can't ****** off their gay/bi fans, and neither can they ****** of their straight male fans... grrrrr...

 

And I'm only spending time typing this out on the off chance that somebody sees how wrong of a decision this was.

 

I really don't think Solas is a Villain... Weekes specifically said in that interview that he can't write villains. Solas might make some bad decisions, and we might have to fight him at some point, but I don't think either of those things make him a villain. He always tries to do the right thing... And I don't think the fact that the romance is tragic is really a bad thing, it's certainly had a big impact on a lot of people. It was very well written.

 

I don't like how the way straight female romances have been treated in the past (mainly in ME), but I think gay/bi fans have had it worse since the beginning. They've always end up with less options until recently. And usually their options have had a lot less plot relevance.

 

Honestly, I'm just thankful that as a straight female I got so much plot involvement. For the first time, I've actually felt like I was equal/the most important type of fan. That's never happened before in such a large way. 

[Avejajed]

I love how everyone's coming to the thread because they basically got ninjamanced by Solas. Not in the same way that you can accidentally romance Leliana by complimenting her shoes, but by him completely taking everybody by surprise. I love it so much.

[Mims]

I can only imagine how awful that moment must have been internally. Temple of Mythal has happened. Lavellan has seen first hand that there are ancient elves yet still around. She is in the best position she ever will be to understand who and what he is. He goes through the time and effort of picking a spot a bit far out so that he has the best possible conditions for explaining. But it will be worth it. He loves her. 

 

Then, they kiss and she smiles. And it only takes a single thought to kill all of that planning: that smile isn't for you. She's in love with the person she thinks Solas is. She might have figured out that he's an ancient elf, but there's a huge ground of difference between simply being an ancient elf and being the dread wolf. 

 

Now, obviously in most cases he's wrong. Lavellan has seen parts of who he really is underneath all of that. But it doesn't matter, the damage is done. He can't risk everything he's worked for just to have her smash both his plans and his heart. So it really does make a fair bit of sense as to why he just abandons ship. 

[k_drake]

Yay, another one of us!   Welcome to the Solas thread of Hope and Despair!

It's a heady cocktail indeed.  Also w/ occasional laughs.  

[Batfish]

Honestly I played Cullen's route my first playthrough, but then Solas kind of... Took my interest. After that I really can't romance anyone else. I've tried my hardest to stick to the other saves but I always wind up going back to another Solas file. He's the egg no one intended to love and yet BAM. Heart thief. The sneaky bit of hardboiled lurking in the ramen broth. 

[k_drake]

Honestly I played Cullen's route my first playthrough, but then Solas kind of... Took my interest. After that I really can't romance anyone else. I've tried my hardest to stick to the other saves but I always wind up going back to another Solas file. He's the egg no one intended to love and yet BAM. Heart thief. The sneaky bit of hardboiled lurking in the ramen broth. 

The exact same thing happened to me.  I feel like such a sucker...

[Alara]

Good romance ending would be like

 

Perfect romance ending would be like

 

Now I'm helplessly daydreaming     Have some fun

[jawsisinmywc]

Dammit, ass, fracking shite! I finally got a chance to listen to the Patrick Weeks Nerd Appropriate interview because I was throwing a party for 30 people last night. I am now depressed! 

Spoiler

They put the damn romance in to make Solas' story much sadder?!?!! Are you kidding me?! I just spent the last hour running around my apartment screaming at my husband that "This is BULLSHIT! This is such donkey dung!" Why would they do this? Why would Weekes do this? I really think he does in fact live off of tears! Well at least HE cried while writing it. Well at least the question of whether Solas' feelings for you is put to rest. Anyway, I just had to vent for a bit and now I'm going into the blanket fort and will be drinking the large quantities of left-over Champagne from last night if anyone wants to join me.

[Nika]

I think we need a term for Solas ninjamancing people
He's almost as good as Leliana and Liara at it

[Tielis]

I really don't think Solas is a Villain... Weekes specifically said in that interview that he can't write villains. Solas might make some bad decisions, and we might have to fight him at some point, but I don't think either of those things make him a villain. He always tries to do the right thing... And I don't think the fact that the romance is tragic is really a bad thing, it's certainly had a big impact on a lot of people. It was very well written.

 

I don't like how the way straight female romances have been treated in the past (mainly in ME), but I think gay/bi fans have had it worse since the beginning. They've always end up with less options until recently. And usually their options have had a lot less plot relevance.

 

Honestly, I'm just thankful that as a straight female I got so much plot involvement. For the first time, I've actually felt like I was equal/the most important type of fan. That's never happened before in such a large way. 

 

Well, I agree with him.  He can't write villains well, as demonstrated by the fact that we're all pining over Solas, even though they've pretty much set him up to be the next one.  Is it the semantics that bother you?  Is "antagonist" a better word?

 

Sure, they may pull something out of their asses to change the entire story for we Solasmancers, but I sincerely doubt it.  Yes, I'm walking the hardline here, because I'm just so very very disappointed.  I don't think I'll ever be able to finish a playthrough romancing Solas now, knowing that it might as well have been just a big inside joke for them.  (And yes, I know that Mr. Weekes invested a lot of his emotions into it.  That doesn't change the fact that the Solas romance was added just to make Solas more sympathetic.)

[Avejajed]

I can only imagine how awful that moment must have been internally. Temple of Mythal has happened. Lavellan has seen first hand that there are ancient elves yet still around. She is in the best position she ever will be to understand who and what he is. He goes through the time and effort of picking a spot a bit far out so that he has the best possible conditions for explaining. But it will be worth it. He loves her.

Then, they kiss and she smiles. And it only takes a single thought to kill all of that planning: that smile isn't for you. She's in love with the person she thinks Solas is. She might have figured out that he's an ancient elf, but there's a huge ground of difference between simply being an ancient elf and being the dread wolf.

Now, obviously in most cases he's wrong. Lavellan has seen parts of who he really is underneath all of that. But it doesn't matter, the damage is done. He can't risk everything he's worked for just to have her smash both his plans and his heart. So it really does make a fair bit of sense as to why he just abandons ship.

Why are you doing this to me? Sniff.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

wandering the Exalted Plains, gathering venatori tomes for rift mage spec and this happened

 

Sera is awesome

[Moirin]

I can only imagine how awful that moment must have been internally. Temple of Mythal has happened. Lavellan has seen first hand that there are ancient elves yet still around. She is in the best position she ever will be to understand who and what he is. He goes through the time and effort of picking a spot a bit far out so that he has the best possible conditions for explaining. But it will be worth it. He loves her. 

 

Then, they kiss and she smiles. And it only takes a single thought to kill all of that planning: that smile isn't for you. She's in love with the person she thinks Solas is. She might have figured out that he's an ancient elf, but there's a huge ground of difference between simply being an ancient elf and being the dread wolf. 

 

Now, obviously in most cases he's wrong. Lavellan has seen parts of who he really is underneath all of that. But it doesn't matter, the damage is done. He can't risk everything he's worked for just to have her smash both his plans and his heart. So it really does make a fair bit of sense as to why he just abandons ship. 

 

I don't think Lavellan would have taken the news too badly after Mythal, especially after you can get the dialogue from the ancient elf that Fen'Harel did not betray Mythal. Still would have been a shock, but I feel that if Solas taught you anything during the course of the game, it's that the ancient elven stories aren't always accurate.

 

He should have told her!

[DraconisWolf]

I love how everyone's coming to the thread because they basically got ninjamanced by Solas. Not in the same way that you can accidentally romance Leliana by complimenting her shoes, but by him completely taking everybody by surprise. I love it so much.

Oh, yes! I deleted my first playthrough mostly because everything pales in comparison to what it means to romance Solas. Too many variables , too many variables. He Is extremely fascinating and I wonder what does Patrick mean by "he will betray himself if he tells Lavellan the truth" (not an exact quote)? Will he be willing to kill to protect his true identity, and does telling Lavellan the truth put his mission on jeopardy, or he just doesn't want to hurt her, get rejected etc.

[Abyss108]

Well, I agree with him.  He can't write villains well, as demonstrated by the fact that we're all pining over Solas, even though they've pretty much set him up to be the next one.  Is it the semantics that bother you?  Is "antagonist" a better word?

 

Sure, they may pull something out of their asses to change the entire story for we Solasmancers, but I sincerely doubt it.  Yes, I'm walking the hardline here, because I'm just so very very disappointed.  I don't think I'll ever be able to finish a playthrough romancing Solas now, knowing that it might as well have been just a big inside joke for them.  (And yes, I know that Mr. Weekes invested a lot of his emotions into it.  That doesn't change the fact that the Solas romance was added just to make Solas more sympathetic.)

 

I'd argue ALL romances are to make the characters more sympathetic. The point of writing these interactions with characters is so you get to know them, like them, and sympathise with them. I'd be worried if they were writing romances and were trying NOT to make the character sympathetic. Certainly nothing they have said made it sound like the romance was a "joke". Weekes cried whilst writing it, and obviously a lot of money and effort went into developing this. There were a billion other things they could have used that time/effort for, instead they decided to develop this romance, which they probably only expected to be seen by a very small percentage of their audience. To me, that says they cared deeply about making this storyline.

 

Personally, I don't think Solas is going to be a big villain/antagonist. That would imply the next game would be stopping him. I think he's going to achieve his goals very quickly, and the next game will be about stopping the effects. The villains will probably be the other Gods. This is all speculation though.

[Mims]

What's wrong with allowing a character to become sympathetic? As it is, no one is forced to romance Solas and females have more options than most in this game. 

 

I think people might be reading too much gloom or underhandedness in the fact that the romance was added to 'make him sadder'. Of course it was. How could they answer with anything else but sad? Everyone is sad. It isn't like they're under some sort of illusion that the romance was intended to be happy. They could never have responded any other way. 

 

Making a character a romance option to let you understand more about who he is is not a waste of time. There are other romances you can pursue if all you want is a vicarious happy ending. That's not what Solas's romance is about. Making him sympathetic is not some cheap trick to play with your emotions. Your feeling sympathy for Solas because that is what they want you to feel. 

 

Why would they want you to feel sympathy for a character that does not deserve it, or will serve no purpose? We have a relationship with Solas that does not start as one of antagonism because they don't want you to just hate him. Or for him to be just a simple villain. The sympathy serves a narrative purpose. What will that purpose be? There's no way to tell. We're not there yet. But it isn't accidental or a trick. 

[Sah291]

I love how everyone's coming to the thread because they basically got ninjamanced by Solas. Not in the same way that you can accidentally romance Leliana by complimenting her shoes, but by him completely taking everybody by surprise. I love it so much.

 

Yep, Solas really isn't the type of character archetype that usually gets made into a LI. I think he has that appeal of a character that wasn't originally conceived as a romance interest, kind of like Garrus (even though they are totally different).

 

I was planning on rolling a mage right before release, but really wasn't planning on another mage/mage romance, so thought I'd end up romancing Cullen or Blackwall. Nope. That very first scene where he grabs her hand to close the rift, and then Varric is all "Well Bianca's excited..." yeah, it's like even Varric knew it was all over by that point.

[LliiraAnna]

I can only imagine how awful that moment must have been internally. Temple of Mythal has happened. Lavellan has seen first hand that there are ancient elves yet still around. She is in the best position she ever will be to understand who and what he is. He goes through the time and effort of picking a spot a bit far out so that he has the best possible conditions for explaining. But it will be worth it. He loves her. 

 

Then, they kiss and she smiles. And it only takes a single thought to kill all of that planning: that smile isn't for you. She's in love with the person she thinks Solas is. She might have figured out that he's an ancient elf, but there's a huge ground of difference between simply being an ancient elf and being the dread wolf. 

 

Now, obviously in most cases he's wrong. Lavellan has seen parts of who he really is underneath all of that. But it doesn't matter, the damage is done. He can't risk everything he's worked for just to have her smash both his plans and his heart. So it really does make a fair bit of sense as to why he just abandons ship. 

...you've just broken my heart, and did it better than the scene itself.

I still wanna stay optimistic, but I don't think I'll be able to touch the game until some kind of conclusion will be made. I... just... cannot... ugh.

[SamanthaJ]

I love how everyone's coming to the thread because they basically got ninjamanced by Solas. Not in the same way that you can accidentally romance Leliana by complimenting her shoes, but by him completely taking everybody by surprise. I love it so much.

Pfft. I remember Solas ninjamancing a few people even before the game came out.

 

Also, in regards to how female protagonists and their love interests are handled...I have more faith in the DA team than I would the ME team. In Origins you could get a happy ending with Alistair. Was it distasteful that you had to force him to sleep with a woman he hated an conceive a child? Hell yes, and to me it almost felt rape-y. Was it ridiculously hard to get a happy ending without using a guide of some kind? Yes. Still, with Alistair the relationship could end intact and you could even be queen. Zevran's romance ended happily. Fenris's romance was dramatic but it ended happily with his relationship with Hawke intact. Anders may have effed things up big time and the ending might be more bittersweet than happy, but he can live and the relationship can continue. You can end with an intact relationship with Blackwall despite everything. There is no drama with Iron Bull's romance and the relationship is intact in the end. Do I even have to point out how happy Cullen's romance ends? The only romance option for straight females that hasn't ended with an intact relationship is Solas's. The only relationship that didn't end with an intact relationship for men was Morrigan's, and that was achievable at a later date. Could they change things up and not allow us to reunite with Solas? Sure, but with Morrigan there is precedent for thinking they might. I'd say overall that the DA team treats their straight female protagonists pretty well. Even if we don't get a happy ending with Solas I don't feel like I need to worry that the relationship will just be swept under a rug and forgotten.

[Batfish]

The exact same thing happened to me.  I feel like such a sucker...

I....regret nothing. I'll go down with this ship. Not even Cullen's smirk could save me from that booty.

[Addai]

Well, I agree with him.  He can't write villains well, as demonstrated by the fact that we're all pining over Solas, even though they've pretty much set him up to be the next one.  Is it the semantics that bother you?  Is "antagonist" a better word?

 

Sure, they may pull something out of their asses to change the entire story for we Solasmancers, but I sincerely doubt it.  Yes, I'm walking the hardline here, because I'm just so very very disappointed.  I don't think I'll ever be able to finish a playthrough romancing Solas now, knowing that it might as well have been just a big inside joke for them.  (And yes, I know that Mr. Weekes invested a lot of his emotions into it.  That doesn't change the fact that the Solas romance was added just to make Solas more sympathetic.)

Wait, what? How is it an "inside joke"? You mean you feel like they tricked us by making him romanceable when they knew it was going to end badly? I think that's a risk you take in these games, and that should have been clear from Morrigan and Anders. Nobody's promised a happy ending.

[herkles]

 

Personally, I don't think Solas is going to be a big villain/antagonist. That would imply the next game would be stopping him. I think he's going to achieve his goals very quickly, and the next game will be about stopping the effects. The villains will probably be the other Gods. This is all speculation though.

I am actually not so sure on this. Keep in mind that in the legends Fen'harel sealed away both the elven creators and the 'forgotten ones' just speculation on my part, but I think the forgotten ones are tied more to the old gods and the blight then the elven creators are.

[Abyss108]

I am actually not so sure on this. Keep in mind that in the legends Fen'harel sealed away both the elven creators and the 'forgotten ones' just speculation on my part, but I think the forgotten ones are tied more to the old gods and the blight then the elven creators are.

 

Could be! I think it's all related to each other. Maybe the forgotten ones will be released too, and there's a war between them and the Elvhen Gods, with the Blight being a weapon one side invented to use against the other. And you have to pick a side, like you usually do between mage/templars. Or maybe you have to right them all, because they don't care about mortals, they're too busy dealing with each other, whilst the mortal races are being wiped out by the side effects of their battles.

 

I dunno, I'm just making things up now!  Lot's of ways it could go!

[Avejajed]

I too am most intrigued by the forgotten ones. Wish we had more information on them.

Too many "gods" in this world. Old gods, Elven gods, forgotten one gods, the maker, andraste, blah blah blah. Hard to keep them all straight.

Lore is not my strong point even though I wish it was.