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[Melchizedek]

It's a great piece of art. I don't like it because I never see Solas acting like that towards Lavellan in the game. He has never behaved as though she's his prey or she's his underling. In the art, he's holding her chin and looking down in a stern/dominating way. I don't like that. I like sweet, passionate and respectful Solas.

 

 

Agreed. I guess I'm just not in the 'extremely wolfy/savage/aggressive' Solas club. I think the whole 'wolf' thing is kinda becoming like a meme. Like, oh, he's the Dread Wolf so he's got to act the part. A little wolfiness is fine. Too much is like... a fan's fantasy eclipsing the real character himself. 

[Addai]

Using the fact that Mr. Gaider liked this art for justification that there's a possibility for a happy ending is just...  
 
How many signs do we need, people?  
 
Yeah, for those of you who dig all tragedy all the time, I'm glad you're happy.  Some of us had choices in BioWare games back in the day, and we long for those days to come back.
 
THAT is what I'm pissed about.  The railroading my God the railroading.  And the fact that we have to PAY AGAIN to get the romance's true ending (if what y'all believe is true -- me, I think we already got it).

Uh, I get that you're disappointed but you keep needling other people for not feeling the same way, and putting words in my mouth. Stop it please. You don't know any more than we do what's going to happen.
 
I brought up Gaider reblogging that painting to say they're not indifferent, not that they plan a happy ending. I think it's pretty clear that the resolution is not going to be all rainbows, and I wouldn't want it to be. Bittersweet is just fine for me. I don't "dig tragedy." As long as there's at least the possibility for some personal happiness in the midst of Solas' mad Fade Scientist plan, I'll be content even if it's at a cost. If the romance gets no more resolution or only gets throwaway recognition after this, I'll join you with my pitchfork in hand. The Morrigan guys went through this agony before and Gaider has done very well by them, I think. I'd give him and Weekes a chance on Solas as well, but whatever, you're free to abandon ship if you like.
 

It's a great piece of art. I don't like it because I never see Solas acting like that towards Lavellan in the game. He has never behaved as though she's his prey or she's his underling. In the art, he's holding her chin and looking down in a stern/dominating way. I don't like that. I like sweet, passionate and respectful Solas.

He's holding her chin and looking at her much the way he does in the 2nd romance scene, conflicted. I don't see this "hunter" thing at all. It looks tender and sad to me. It's the Tower- Solas' fate- that's threatening, and it's doing that to both of them.

[Tielis]

It's a great piece of art. I don't like it because I never see Solas acting like that towards Lavellan in the game. He has never behaved as though she's his prey or she's his underling. In the art, he's holding her chin and looking down in a stern/dominating way. I don't like that. I like sweet, passionate and respectful Solas.

 

And that is what I'm trying to point out -- the obvious cognitive dissonance between what is in the game and what the storyline demands.

[k_drake]

I like it, er, but I don't see it as him sneering down at her as an underling. To me it kind of looks like he is quietly observing with curiosity more than dominance. if it was dominance I don't think he would be holding her chin so tenderly, its more like... gently guiding it so I can get a better look at you. 

I LOVE this.  But it definitely seems sinister to me.  The lighting, the background, the artist's choice to make Solas so much taller, the way he has her head wrenched up just enough that holding it there would be a little uncomfortable for her.  I could be reading too much into it of course, but it doesn't seem gentle.  This is much more Fen'Harel than Solas.

[Eivuwan]

I like it, er, but I don't see it as him sneering down at her as an underling. To me it kind of looks like he is quietly observing with curiosity more than dominance. if it was dominance I don't think he would be holding her chin so tenderly, its more like... gently guiding it so I can get a better look at you. 

 

It's kind of hard to think of it as gentle with his arm behind his back and his frown.

[MidgetNemo]

Using the fact that Mr. Gaider liked this art for justification that there's a possibility for a happy ending is just...  

 

How many signs do we need, people?  

 

Yeah, for those of you who dig all tragedy all the time, I'm glad you're happy.  Some of us had choices in BioWare games back in the day, and we long for those days to come back.

 

THAT is what I'm pissed about.  The railroading my God the railroading.  And the fact that we have to PAY AGAIN to get the romance's true ending (if what y'all believe is true -- me, I think we already got it).

I don´t know, I do think the inquisitor will meet him again though,remember Leliana knows he lied and has her spies looking for him,so the inquisition is aware of his deception, so him appearing again is one thing I´m optimistic about but then again I could be wrong  

[nranola]

I think we're just in a lot of pain right now. As it stands with Solas, our position is a really frustrating one to be in. There's no way to know what the hell is going on until Bioware releases more content, which sucks, because we have to wait! And we likely have to pay extra for it! We might have to wait until the next game, even! Or... worst case, Creators forbid, we might not even get closure!

 

See, many reasons for us to be upset.

 

But we'll just have to ride it out. There's not much else we can do right now except, well, what we've been doing so far.  This thread has some of the most patient and understanding people I've seen on BSN, thankfully!

[Tielis]

Uh, I get that you're disappointed but you keep needling other people for not feeling the same way, and putting words in my mouth. Stop it please. You don't know any more than we do what's going to happen.

 

I brought up Gaider reblogging that painting to say they're not indifferent, not that they plan a happy ending. I think it's pretty clear that the resolution is not going to be all rainbows, and I wouldn't want it to be. Bittersweet is just fine for me. I don't "dig tragedy." As long as there's at leas the possibility for some personal happiness in the midst of Solas' mad Fade Scientist plan, I'll be content if it's at a cost. If the romance gets no more resolution or only gets throwaway recognition after this, I'll join you with my pitchfork in hand. The Morrigan guys went through this agony before and Gaider has done very well by them, I think. I'd give him and Weekes a chance on Solas as well, but whatever, you're free to abandon ship if you like.

 

Fair enough.  I suppose the purpose of my ranting is to call those suckers out.  (And I mean that in the most affectionate way because I do respect their talents.)

 

If you turn out to be correct and we get closure *with a gamut of emotional choices*, I'll gladly eat my hat.

[Avejajed]

I think it's time to step back and take a deep breath. We don't know what's going to happen so there's no reason to be so fatalistic. There's little point in squashing hopes just out of personal grouchiness.

I really think we have nothing to worry about. I have faith and so should the rest of you.

[soragrey]

wandering the Exalted Plains, gathering venatori tomes for rift mage spec and this happened

 

Sera is awesome

 That's the first time I've heard any party banter commenting on the relationship! I wish I had heard that. I feel like I missed a lot of banter.

[Eivuwan]

 
He's holding her chin and looking at her much the way he does in the 2nd romance scene, conflicted. I don't see this "hunter" thing at all. It looks tender and sad to me.

 

Well, I am just not seeing the art that way lol especially with that dark wolf hanging over her head. I like cute fluffy white wolf Solas. Regardless, I hope that whatever comes is just as finely crafted as whatever we have now.

[SamanthaJ]

It's a great piece of art. I don't like it because I never see Solas acting like that towards Lavellan in the game. He has never behaved as though she's his prey or she's his underling. In the art, he's holding her chin and looking down in a stern/dominating way. I don't like that. I like sweet, passionate and respectful Solas.

I absolutely hate it when people make Solas wolfy/aggressive/dominant/etc. so I'm with you. I wish people would put warnings on fics containing that Solas or anything weird like bestiality instead of just posting the link with NSFW and letting us find out on our own k thnx That's why I talked myself into seeing that picture as her realizing the truth behind Solas's identity and him looking grim and serious and holding her chin so that she can look into his eyes and maybe see beyond the truth. Whatever helps me sleep at night, right?

[Avejajed]

I absolutely hate it when people make Solas wolfy/aggressive/dominant/etc. so I'm with you. I wish people would put warnings on fics containing that Solas or anything weird like bestiality instead of just posting the link with NSFW and letting us find out on our own k thnx That's why I talked myself into seeing that picture as her realizing the truth behind Solas's identity and him looking grim and serious and holding her chin so that she can look into his eyes and maybe see beyond the truth. Whatever helps me sleep at night, right?

Hahah poor Birdy. She's doing it out of love. At least she keeps us well stocked in Kink. I love her for it.

[MadameQuizzy]

Well, I agree with him.  He can't write villains well, as demonstrated by the fact that we're all pining over Solas, even though they've pretty much set him up to be the next one.  Is it the semantics that bother you?  Is "antagonist" a better word?

 

Sure, they may pull something out of their asses to change the entire story for we Solasmancers, but I sincerely doubt it.  Yes, I'm walking the hardline here, because I'm just so very very disappointed.  I don't think I'll ever be able to finish a playthrough romancing Solas now, knowing that it might as well have been just a big inside joke for them.  (And yes, I know that Mr. Weekes invested a lot of his emotions into it.  That doesn't change the fact that the Solas romance was added just to make Solas more sympathetic.)

 

First of all I'm sorry that you feel that way. It's always a pity if someone is so thrown aback that they can't go through with a certain story line / character quest due to being disappointed. It sucks.

 

But, and it's a gentle but, I think when Weekes said they added the romance to make it "sadder" I don't think they did it to make him more sympathetic. Personally, I think many thought he was an idiot or ass or both for breaking it off the way he did until we got that snippet of "he nearly told her" from Weekes. That they added the romance tells me one thing: that they wanted to make Solas' character more complex. Let me try to explain this one and its implications:

 

- all side quests and stories involving Solas show him caring about other people and things than the bigger picture. Take his caring for Cole. His personal quest where he cares about saving his spirit friend. And of course the romance, where he cares about the Inquisitor.

- the romance shows him reflecting on his believes even more so than he does with a friendship-quizzy. 

- the romance brings him to a point where he nearly gives up on the big picture, his big motivation. Nearly. This is important, because in realizing he can't go through with telling the truth and comitting we learn an important detail about Solas' character: his guilt, longing to make things "right", desire to "better the world" are stronger - or valued as more important by him - than love and his own personal happiness. 

- this is important as it sets the stage for the sequel: a man so devoted to make things right that he sacrifices everything (AGAIN!). Because basically, his friends at the inquisition, especially the Inquisitor and Cole, are everything he has besides spirits and long lost memories. He breaks it off with the Inquisitor by leaving and with Cole by shutting off his mind.

 

Could that have been done without the romance? Sure, and to some degree you already get the picture even if you play as a male dwarf to whom Solas is just a friend. But in adding the romance the writers underlined his motivations and heightened what drives him, all while giving the players a romance option that is so very different from the rest of the romances available in the game.

 

The writers often state that they really care about their characters, and making Solas look more sympathetic is a task they could achieve far more easily than producing a whole romance plot just for that (not to mention all the money the extra development costs). They're too good writers than using such simple plot devices (with questionable outcomes). 

[RebbyWriter]

*wakes up and goes to le Solas thread*

 

[SamanthaJ]

Hahah poor Birdy. She's doing it out of love. At least she keeps us well stocked in Kink. I love her for it.

Yes...but some things do need a TW, and I'm usually one who rolls her eyes at such things because on tumblr they TW for stuff like food. A fic where Solas is literally a wolf rapist is without a doubt one of those things.

[Sashimi_taco]

Only Lavellan knows for sure. 

 

On that note, I'd like to know what Solas thinks about the Fen'Harel stories, like Merrill's tale about the Fen'Harel and the Hound. His words about his 'youth' (and him having to think when Sera asks him if he ever peed magic by accident) make me wonder if that correlates to the trickster tales, since even Felassan tells trickster tales about Fen'Harel. Perhaps his 'rebellious' nature against the tyranny of the old order is more a reflection of a more adult, mature Fen'Harel?

 

I wonder if a 'Paul Muad'Dib' type of movement among the Dalish might arise if they discover that Fen'Harel and Mythal opposed the old order.

 

 

Imagine how you were when you were young. I was a pretty horrible teen, and now i'm a slightly less horrible adult. I assume he was a real trouble maker back then. Nothing too horrible just causing trouble all the time. 

 

God I was a horrible teen. I had red hair and I used to steal porno mags for my punk boyfriend when I was like 14. He was in a band and was suspended for stealing stuff from lockers. 

 

Thankfully i started watching anime and playing more video games so I became a huge nerd instead. 

[slmisfit]

It's a great piece of art. I don't like it because I never see Solas acting like that towards Lavellan in the game. He has never behaved as though she's his prey or she's his underling. In the art, he's holding her chin and looking down in a stern/dominating way. I don't like that. I like sweet, passionate and respectful Solas.

To me it looks more like a Solas who is no longer pretending to be something he isn't. He looks confident, self-assured. Maybe even the tiniest bit sad. And Lavellan looks a bit shellshocked, like he just revealed to her who and what he is. But anyway... I'm not getting the "dom" vibes or "Lavellan is beneath me" vibes that others seem to get from that artwork.

 

That's always been the most interesting thing about media though! People interpret things differently all the time due to different life experiences and the like.

[Tielis]

*wakes up and goes to le Solas thread*

 

 

It's my fault, and I apologize for getting anyone as angry as I am.  I am so angry after that interview that I am ready to not play the game at all and send all my money to Dr. Ray and Dr. Greg begging them to give EAWare some decent competition.  Really, that steamed.

 

German/Dutch/Irish raised by an Italian family here.  

[Addai]

It's kind of hard to think of it as gentle with his arm behind his back and his frown.

Solas always stands like that, and we know why he's frowning. It's not because he's about to bite Lavellan's head off. I would definitely say the mood of the painting is dark, but it's because Solas' fate is hanging over both of them and not because he's being all grrrr Fen'Harel rapey. I just don't get that association.

It's true that he's taller than Lavellan there, but perspective in the game sometimes makes him look that tall as well, whereas other times they appear more even.

 

 

 

I think if anything I picture Lavellan much different, but that's the artist's own conception of her character, so I can't argue with that.

[k_drake]

Does anyone else want to make Solas' sweater to give to an unsuspecting SO?  I'd probably do it w/o the loin-clothy bits, but otherwise...yeah.

[Tielis]

Does anyone else want to make Solas' sweater to give to an unsuspecting SO?  I'd probably do it w/o the loin-clothy bits, but otherwise...yeah.

 

Just imagine that sweater with a kilt...

 

I need to go lie down.

[Mims]

No reason not to reblog a beautiful piece of art! People will see what they want to in it, but its clearly a very professional looking piece. It could have easily been one of the promoted works from the series. I don't think I would read into it getting passed around more than that. If we want more happy art, best thing to do is go out and make it!

 

Unfortunately I can't put out quality anywhere near that. But I'll do something at some point. I have a couple of ideas, although I suppose the majority of them were more melancholy. Perhaps I'll change some designs around. 

[Eivuwan]

I just don't like that art guyz. Yeah, Solas have his arm behind his back sometimes, but it's just everything in that art as a whole that gives me the domination vibe including the way Lavellan is looking up at him with that expression.

[MadameQuizzy]

I just want to see more shirtless Solas art :x