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[jawsisinmywc]

I think that is the beauty of a great piece of art. It can be interpreted in so many different ways and is great for discussion.

[Eivuwan]

No reason not to reblog a beautiful piece of art! People will see what they want to in it, but its clearly a very professional looking piece. It could have easily been one of the promoted works from the series. I don't think I would read into it getting passed around more than that. If we want more happy art, best thing to do is go out and make it!

 

Unfortunately I can't put out quality anywhere near that. But I'll do something at some point. I have a couple of ideas, although I suppose the majority of them were more melancholy. Perhaps I'll change some designs around. 

 

I don't think anyone said that people shouldn't reblog the art. Some of us just don't like it.

[Colonelkillabee]

Because he's sorry, that doesn't change the fact that he's to blame!  Especially when he makes the choice to flatleave Lavellan and go for his plan!

It does kinda seem like a big middle finger.

 

But, characters have their own agendas and motivations. Which I for one am happy for. He wanted his orb back, and helping you was the way to get it. He's a god, you're a mortal. That relationship wasn't going to last forever no matter what he did. May as well forge ahead with the long game in mind.

[RebbyWriter]

Back in my day, no one was interested in the elven apostate! *waves cane*

 

 

Reading back on the fanart discussion worries me, a bit. If I have ever made any art that has made you guys feel uncomfortable, I apologize. Thinking back on what I had done, maybe I should stay away from blood or sadness. The one I am currently working on is a Princess Bride parody so it has neither of those! YAY!

 

Anyway, let me know if any of my stuff looks OOC or upsets you.

 

Annnndd, when it comes to Solas Dom...I don't want to say anything for the fear of hurting others' feelings who like/write that sort of thing. Just wish there was more sweet to balance out the spicy.

[SamanthaJ]

This one is really quite lovely, has it been shared? Slight NSFW.

 

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http://ladytheirinsb...n-hold-me-tight

[MadameQuizzy]

Uhm I'm sorry. I googled "shirtless Solas" (what has my life become don't ask me I don't even) and I found this. It's from a Kotaku article you probably all already know that I somehow completely missed..

 

     

 

(It's from the body model article so in case you want to avoid seeing those don't open the spoiler)

 

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[x]

[Eivuwan]

It does kinda seem like a big middle finger.

 

But, characters have their own agendas and motivations. Which I for one am happy for. He wanted his orb back, and helping you was the way to get it. He's a god, you're a mortal. That relationship wasn't going to last forever no matter what he did. May as well forge ahead with the long game in mind.

 

Honestly, I don't think Solas is that logical. He seems to be driven by strong emotions.

[Eivuwan]

Uhm I'm sorry. I googled "shirtless Solas" (what has my life become don't ask me I don't even) and I found this. It's from a Kotaku article you probably all already know that I somehow completely missed..

 

     

 

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[x]

 

I suspect that's not even the right body model. The shoulders are not broad enough.

[Colonelkillabee]

My ****** eeeeeyyees.... I've been avoiding those models to not have that image in my head, but now it can never be unseen...

[Brass_Buckles]

Dammit, ass, fracking shite! I finally got a chance to listen to the Patrick Weeks Nerd Appropriate interview because I was throwing a party for 30 people last night. I am now depressed! 

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They put the damn romance in to make Solas' story much sadder?!?!! Are you kidding me?! I just spent the last hour running around my apartment screaming at my husband that "This is BULLSHIT! This is such donkey dung!" Why would they do this? Why would Weekes do this? I really think he does in fact live off of tears! Well at least HE cried while writing it. Well at least the question of whether Solas' feelings for you is put to rest. Anyway, I just had to vent for a bit and now I'm going into the blanket fort and will be drinking the large quantities of left-over Champagne from last night if anyone wants to join me.

 

I feel for you, and I too have reason to question whether they'll end the story on a high note, due to the fact that it was added to make him sadder.  I am on Team Mixed Feelings, or Team Writing Super Sad Fanfic.  I want to be optimistic, and I have no reason not to hope, really.  There's no evidence either way, but the "to make it sadder"--that sounds a bit ominous.

 

Well, I agree with him.  He can't write villains well, as demonstrated by the fact that we're all pining over Solas, even though they've pretty much set him up to be the next one.  Is it the semantics that bother you?  Is "antagonist" a better word?

 

Sure, they may pull something out of their asses to change the entire story for we Solasmancers, but I sincerely doubt it.  Yes, I'm walking the hardline here, because I'm just so very very disappointed.  I don't think I'll ever be able to finish a playthrough romancing Solas now, knowing that it might as well have been just a big inside joke for them.  (And yes, I know that Mr. Weekes invested a lot of his emotions into it.  That doesn't change the fact that the Solas romance was added just to make Solas more sympathetic.)

 

They won't change the entire story, but we might get to have some kind of resolution with him one way or the other simply because he's so popular (even if they didn't expect it).  Let us be honest, Cullen would never have been a romance had he not had such popularity with the fans.

 

It isn't a joke to them, as others pointed out.  Many resources were put into the making of the game and even into this romance (despite its lesser amount of content compared to others).  Weekes made himself sad writing it, if that makes you feel any better?  He seemed to genuinely feel bad for making so many people sad.

 

What's wrong with allowing a character to become sympathetic? As it is, no one is forced to romance Solas and females have more options than most in this game. 

 

I think people might be reading too much gloom or underhandedness in the fact that the romance was added to 'make him sadder'. Of course it was. How could they answer with anything else but sad? Everyone is sad. It isn't like they're under some sort of illusion that the romance was intended to be happy. They could never have responded any other way. 

 

Making a character a romance option to let you understand more about who he is is not a waste of time. There are other romances you can pursue if all you want is a vicarious happy ending. That's not what Solas's romance is about. Making him sympathetic is not some cheap trick to play with your emotions. Your feeling sympathy for Solas because that is what they want you to feel. 

 

Why would they want you to feel sympathy for a character that does not deserve it, or will serve no purpose? We have a relationship with Solas that does not start as one of antagonism because they don't want you to just hate him. Or for him to be just a simple villain. The sympathy serves a narrative purpose. What will that purpose be? There's no way to tell. We're not there yet. But it isn't accidental or a trick. 

 

It is good to have the characters become more sympathetic.  I believe that the problem stems more from the fact that when it comes to an LI who's going to break someone's heart, it's almost always a male LI and generally one who is only available to female characters.  I am not foolish enough to believe that only women play women characters, or even that only women play straight female characters.  I know better.  However, it's telling that the LIs geared toward women are the ones most likely to become tragic--why not spread the "love" around?

 

And I'm not saying it's bad to have a heartbreaking or tragic romance, either.  I'm okay with some, it's just that women who prefer to romance men get a disproportionate share.

 

Sure, women have more romances in this game than they ever have, but look at how some of these men treat you... Iron Bull claiming he knows what you want and that's to be dominated (WHAT?  Some people are into that but let's be honest, framing it that way is just uber-creepy--imho Bull may be a better romance for a man because of the implications there if you romance him with a woman); Blackwall leaving you naked and alone in a public barn; Solas leaving you no matter what you do or say.  You want a guy who treats you decently?  Go for Cullen, he's literally your only option.

 

Pfft. I remember Solas ninjamancing a few people even before the game came out.

 

Also, in regards to how female protagonists and their love interests are handled...I have more faith in the DA team than I would the ME team. In Origins you could get a happy ending with Alistair. Was it distasteful that you had to force him to sleep with a woman he hated an conceive a child? Hell yes, and to me it almost felt rape-y. Was it ridiculously hard to get a happy ending without using a guide of some kind? Yes. Still, with Alistair the relationship could end intact and you could even be queen. Zevran's romance ended happily. Fenris's romance was dramatic but it ended happily with his relationship with Hawke intact. Anders may have effed things up big time and the ending might be more bittersweet than happy, but he can live and the relationship can continue. You can end with an intact relationship with Blackwall despite everything. There is no drama with Iron Bull's romance and the relationship is intact in the end. Do I even have to point out how happy Cullen's romance ends? The only romance option for straight females that hasn't ended with an intact relationship is Solas's. The only relationship that didn't end with an intact relationship for men was Morrigan's, and that was achievable at a later date. Could they change things up and not allow us to reunite with Solas? Sure, but with Morrigan there is precedent for thinking they might. I'd say overall that the DA team treats their straight female protagonists pretty well. Even if we don't get a happy ending with Solas I don't feel like I need to worry that the relationship will just be swept under a rug and forgotten.

 

I have more faith in the DA team as well, BUT, it doesn't change the fact that you had to know exactly what you were doing to make Alistair's romance end happily, or that Anders betrays you no matter what you do (yes, you can run off with him and end happily ever after, but I think most people actually killed him and why wouldn't they, after what he did?), that Blackwall leaves you naked in a public place after sex--after lying to you about who he is--or that Solas ditches you regardless what options you choose.

 

And as for Bull... see above.  The implications of saying a woman NEEDS to be dominated by a man, are kind of disturbing.  Some people agree with that, and some people enjoy that, but I don't agree with it and it skeeves me out.  It might be drama-free, but even beyond that line, Bull isn't my style.  Not physically, and not in general because I don't like promiscuous men.

 

Let's be honest, originally Bull and Blackwall were going to be our only LIs, and neither of them would have appealed to the masses the way Cullen does.  I probably would have played one of their romances, and then been utterly and completely disappointed and/or disgusted, if Solas and Cullen hadn't been added.  As it is I'm happy with Solas, and I admit it might be that his story NEEDS to end in tragedy.  But that does not mean in the least that I can't point out that every other romance for women has some deeply problematic elements, or simply ends horribly.

 

You don't have to have the romance be deeply problematic to have drama.

 

LOL  So we're back to the "not every romance needs a happy ending" thing, then?

 

I find that hard to believe when there are so many in this thread still hoping for one.

 

Me, I'm just disgusted that it was thrown in at the end just for haha's for only one gender.  I really don't believe that it was intended for anything more than a throwaway romance since it is so heavily railroaded.  Because it was so incredibly done and captured our emotions so well does not change that.

 

No, not every romance needs a happy ending, but, you are right about one thing:  The ones that are problematic or end poorly do disproportionately go to women characters.

 

And no, Solas is not done for laughs.  As has been pointed out, Weekes was hurt by it too.

 

Agreed--they should have made the romance more available.  I think that is at the crux of many of the complaints...if it's supposed to deepen the character THAT MUCH and is so crucial to understanding him, then why gate the romance to such an extent?  Doesn't that seem to be doing a disservice to other fans?  Another explanation is, then, that it in fact does not matter, and our emotions were toyed w/ for no reason other than to elicit a reaction.  

 

Aside from not having the resources to even give him as much content as the others?  Thus we know it had to be cut down in that way... There's also the fact that apparently Solas would only romance an elf anyway (due to who he is, and perhaps the drama invoked by a Dalish romancing Fen'harel).

 

But I can't help feeling that he was limited to women only because BioWare wants to be inclusive and does not want to give gay men any serious heartbreak.  And before you start jumping up and down saying I'm being horrible, the reason I think this is the case is because the LGBT community doesn't get happy endings in most of their romances across media.  I forget who, but I know someone was speaking about this/writing about this and I could swear it was someone from BioWare.  So, they want to give the LGBT folks happy endings where possible, so that they have something positive to experience in the form of the game.  And I am okay with that.

 

What I am not okay with is the insistence that straight women must be the only ones to ever get the sad romances, or the ones who lie, cheat, and betray.  I repeat, it is entirely possible to have a romance that still has drama without being deeply problematic, or without necessarily ending in heartbreak.  See:  Cullen.

 

I am sure that the Solas romance will be memorable to us for a long time to come, but I am also sure that for many of us, it will leave a bitter taste if it doesn't have some form of happy resolution.  Some people are even threatening to leave BioWare games altogether if it doesn't become happy.  I am not that dramatic over the romances; I enjoy the games for other reasons than just the romances.  The romances are my dessert for playing the game--a bit of frilly cake, if you will.  However, I do notice that there is a problem and yes, I'm bitter over it.  I am unapologetic over my bitterness.  I'd like to either see fewer sad romance endings, or spread them out so that players of straight men get just as many as straight women (thus players of female characters would also get fewer).

 

I would also like to point out something someone else said in my thread about that very topic:  that it's always the intelligent, sad ones who seem to end poorly, and the happy-go-lucky ones (or mostly so) who end well.  Wouldn't it be nice if we could see some of the glum characters' lives turn around for once, instead of watching them roll downhill and crash into a boulder?

 

 

 

Annnnd on another topic:

 

Sashimi_taco, I was thinking laaaaate last night and I came up with a flaw in your Dragon Souls = Keys theory.  Basically, Solas can't open an eluvian on his own so he tries to get Corypheus to do it... with his orb.  If your theory is correct, then that would mean that either Solas doesn't have his own god soul, or that a piece of everyone's soul was in that orb.  If Solas did have his own, then the eluvian should have opened for him without any other help.

 

I would theorize that instead of the god souls specifically being keys, the gods, if powerful enough, could open any given eluvian.

 

Otherwise, how do you explain how Solas wasn't strong enough, couldn't even use his orb?  Unless he's the only ancient elven god who is not actually an ancient elven god, which brings up other questions.

[Colonelkillabee]

Honestly, I don't think Solas is that logical. He seems to be driven by strong emotions.

At times, but he's highly intellectual, and no fool.

[MadameQuizzy]

My ****** eeeeeyyees.... I've been avoiding those models to not have that image in my head, but now it can never be unseen...

 

Awww I'm sorry! 

 

*hides away*
 

I'm gonna edit that post so it's clear it's that body model in case anyone else wants to avoid it. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Awww I'm sorry! 

 

*hides away*
 

I'm gonna edit that post so it's clear it's that body model in case anyone else wants to avoid it. 

Lol I'll get over it.

 

I guess   Not like I spend any time thinking about his junk anyway, lol.

[Sashimi_taco]

I don't think anyone said that people shouldn't reblog the art. Some of us just don't like it.

 

 

It's fine for you to not like it. Just don't like it. Other people are going to like it though. You keep saying over and over you don't like it. We understand. 

[LliiraAnna]

It's fine for you to not like it. Just don't like it. Other people are going to like it though. You keep saying over and over you don't like it. We understand. 

Some people like it, some do not, it's alright. Everyone has their own preferences. Let's all live in peace 

[BubbleDncr]

Have this to cheer everyone up! (don't remember if I posted this one last night, sorry if its a repeat)

 

 

Team Optimism Go!

[Eivuwan]

It's fine for you to not like it. Just don't like it. Other people are going to like it though. You keep saying over and over you don't like it. We understand. 

 

Um, I was only responding to people who were trying to explain to me why they like it.

[soragrey]

Lots of people have been making Solas playlists on tumblr, if anyone's interested. I like this one so far: http://8tracks.com/n...n-another-world

[MadameQuizzy]

Lol I'll get over it.

 

I guess   Not like I spend any time thinking about his junk anyway, lol.

 

okay. I get that it might ruin imagination for some though, so I added the comment. It was good from you to point it out. ^^

 

 

 

Have this to cheer everyone up! (don't remember if I posted this one last night, sorry if its a repeat)

 

 

Team Optimism Go!

 

CAH with Solas edition? DO WANT! Too bad I missed that last night D:

[Izzyl]

THAT ****** PODCAST.

 

I think I'm just gonna go curl up over here and sob. I didn't think it was possible to be sadder about Solas than I already was. Fucker should've just TOLD her. But he got scared and wasn't able to do it and... aaaaaargh, I need to give him a hug. Right now. The whole chickening out at the last moment, after he'd probably planned everything out for weeks, and then realizing that if he wasn't going to tell her then stringing her along would be both a betrayal of her and himself, is just so heartbreakingly human. 

 

Make no mistake, I am still firmly on team optimism. I need the option to make this less heart-shatteringly sad.

 

And I agree with the people who said that this newest piece of information is a good sign. If he was almost ready to give up everything because of his love for Lavellan, then he loves her a lot. His love for her is comparable to his crushing guilt and deeply-held desire to make things right; basically what has motivated him for the last 2000 years. That's kind of awe-inspiring. When Solas falls, he falls hard.

 

Another part of the podcast that I loved was when they were talking about how Solas really does care about the people of the Inquisition. That just made my heart hurt so much. He tries to stay aloof, but he can't. He cares about them. For the first time in a very long time he has people he can rely on. And yet he feels he has to give it all up, even though he fears loneliness more than anything. Weeeeeeeekes! Whyyyyyy. 

 

Well the romance certainly succeeded. I am now incredibly sad. We've reached rock-bottom, here. But just imagine how amazing it would be if, after all of the **** he's been through, Solas gets to be happy in the end. That'd be an 'earn your happy ending' if I've ever seen one. Even if it's only a 'happy for now' rather than a 'happy forever'. He deserves some peace.

 

It reminds me of my favourite lyrics from Falling Slowly.

 

Well, you have suffered enough

And warred with yourself

It's time that you won

 

My Solas resolution battlecry, right there.

Why am I out of likes?? 

 

Here's a    for you! 

[Ajna]

This one is really quite lovely, has it been shared? Slight NSFW.

 

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http://ladytheirinsb...n-hold-me-tight

Oh this is the one I was looking for!  yeah, I love this...so sweet.  Perfect.

[Mims]

On the subject of art- would anyone happen to have a reasonably high quality screenshot of Solas's desk?

[Sashimi_taco]

"I have a feeling that what happened at the temple of mythal must somehow... had been her influence"

 

-Morrigan talking about her mom/mythal

 

 

I just realized that Mythal has been out and about for thousands of years. Always helping heroes when they are in need. I always thought of it as just her helping around when she could, or when she thought it was amusing. But.... what if all the chaos of her actions has a plan? 

 

What if there is a specific reason she has involved herself with all the major events? What is she was pushing history in a certain direction? A long plan for her revenge/justice? 

[Mims]

 

What if there is a specific reason she has involved herself with all the major events? What is she was pushing history in a certain direction? A long plan for her revenge/justice? 

 

I definitely think she has a plan, and she's been working on it for centuries. Everyone, even Solas, is probably apart of it in some way. She wants her justice, even if she's at a disadvantage. She's had a long long time to prepare. 

[BoscoBread]

I definitely think she has a plan, and she's been working on it for centuries. Everyone, even Solas, is probably apart of it in some way. She wants her justice, even if she's at a disadvantage. She's had a long long time to prepare. 

She also seems kind of...unstable.  Like she's just been sitting and stewing for thousands of years.  Won't go well.