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[hellozombie]

I'm still on the train to the Black City guys. Also still on the Team Optimism and Team Blanket Fort trains. WHERE DID I GET ALL THESE TICKETS!?

 

But still, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm hoping that all the answers lie at the Black City...whether the elvhen gods are trapped there or whether the Forbidden Ones are there or if it's just full of demon nugs. I'd love for a DLC to take us there (preferably with Solas, or finding him along the way, or meeting him there for the big confrontation WHATEVER JUST SOLAS)....since the Inquisitor can enter the Fade physically whenever he/she wants by using the anchor, all I can think is that makes it super relevant, since no one since Coprophages (hahahaha biology nerds are you with me?) had ever been able to enter the Fade physically. So with the Anchor, all I can think is that the Inquisitor will now be the one to find out what is truly going on with the Black City. And I think it would be awesometastic. 

 

As a writer, I can kind of speak to why I think my Team Optimism train won't derail. Writers of all kinds want to get their readers to feel things. If they can get their readers to fall in love with characters (romantic or non-romantic love, both work) or even just concepts and ideas (I am a non-fiction writer and my concepts are just as precious to me as characters are to fiction writers) then it's like, the best cherry on the top of their dream sundae. I can imagine that Weekes feels bad that he made people sad, but he probably feels really great that he was able to do it. There's nothing worse than attempting to write for emotion, and then see that emotion get entirely missed. It's like a comedian writing stand-up; when they say a joke and they get laughs it's like orgasm, but when they say a joke and they get silence it feels like you're the scum of the earth. So I believe that Weekes and probably all the writers are feeling super awesome that their audience has SO MANY FEEELS. There is no logical reason to move forward and ignore the feels in future content...the logical thing to do is to continue providing feels for the audience as much as possible because yes, THAT is what makes people continue to purchase games, or books, or movies or whatever else us humans get so invested in. It's easy...no feels/closure/love begets zero profit. This isn't to say that there aren't a bunch of factors that could derail the most logical or profitable route, but I do think the writers will always try to fight for more story for the characters they are responsible for. And that's a very optimistic thing! 

[Sah291]

I am sure that the Solas romance will be memorable to us for a long time to come, but I am also sure that for many of us, it will leave a bitter taste if it doesn't have some form of happy resolution.  Some people are even threatening to leave BioWare games altogether if it doesn't become happy.  I am not that dramatic over the romances; I enjoy the games for other reasons than just the romances.  The romances are my dessert for playing the game--a bit of frilly cake, if you will.  However, I do notice that there is a problem and yes, I'm bitter over it.  I am unapologetic over my bitterness.  I'd like to either see fewer sad romance endings, or spread them out so that players of straight men get just as many as straight women (thus players of female characters would also get fewer).

 

Really? I think it's great how bioware takes fan desires into account....and I agree with how they overuse tragedy sometimes, especially in the female romances, but on the other hand, I think that's going a bit far, and I seriously hope they don't cave into compromising their storytelling just because people are threatening to leave if it doesn't turn out the way they want. I mean it's one thing if you just plain don't enjoy the games, but I feel, there's a fine line between art and propaganda...and I feel always giving people what they want to see or telling fans what they want to hear is treading dangerously close to the later. So I respect when writers aren't afraid to push back on that attitude a little bit, even while being open and accommodating to what fans want to see. 

[LliiraAnna]

Just imagine all the feels if indeed there'll be a happy ending... the forums will probably explode 

[hellozombie]

Really? I think it's great how bioware takes fan desires into account....and I agree with how they overuse tragedy sometimes, especially in the female romances, but on the other hand, I think that's going a bit far, and I seriously hope they don't cave into compromising their storytelling just because people are threatening to leave if it doesn't turn out the way they want. I mean it's one thing if you just plain don't enjoy the games, but I feel, there's a fine line between art and propaganda...and I feel always giving people what they want to see or telling fans what they want to hear is treading dangerously close to the later. So I respect when writers aren't afraid to push back on that attitude a little bit, even while being open and accommodating to what fans want to see. 

 

Romances irl are full of drama and sadness and hope and joy as well. What makes games special is that each of us can make decisions that change the romances in the game. I disagree with some other opinions that every other relationship in the game gets a happy ending. Really, every other relationship gets the possibility of a happy ending. I mean, with all the relationships, based on what dialogue choices you make, can be happy or sad. I mean, Sera breaks up with you if you don't decide to forfeit your beliefs. That's pretty sad, but also pretty realistic. I know lots of people that ended relationships because their partner did not have the same belief system as they did. It sucks but it's true. And also in real life, sometimes you can do everything right, say all the right things, and be totally in love...and your partner will still leave you. Just like Solas...SOBBING.

 

I'm on the Team Optimism train mostly because of the extra special thing about games: unlike books, you get to make the decisions about your character's life. I think the writers enjoy writing, and they probably enjoy writing all the of the various outcomes of a relationship. It's like getting to have ALL THE ENDINGS to your story. It's a treat, really, for writers. So my hope is that with whatever future content we get, we'll have choices, and we'll get to see the outcomes of our choices. Dragon Age seems to be a bit better for that than the ME series, but even ME still had some great consequences for your choices along the way up until the ending. 

[Birdy]

Wow. That bottle of wine did wonders last night.   I had my very first dream about Solas!

[Sashimi_taco]

Wow. That bottle of wine did wonders last night.   I had my very first dream about Solas!

 

[heavy breathing]

[Ispan]

Wow. That bottle of wine did wonders last night.   I had my very first dream about Solas!

 

My husband walked in on me kissing Solas in our living room in mine.  I hope yours fared better >.<

[scintilla]

Really? I think it's great how bioware takes fan desires into account....and I agree with how they overuse tragedy sometimes, especially in the female romances, but on the other hand, I think that's going a bit far, and I seriously hope they don't cave into compromising their storytelling just because people are threatening to leave if it doesn't turn out the way they want. I mean it's one thing if you just plain don't enjoy the games, but I feel, there's a fine line between art and propaganda...and I feel always giving people what they want to see or telling fans what they want to hear is treading dangerously close to the later. So I respect when writers aren't afraid to push back on that attitude a little bit, even while being open and accommodating to what fans want to see. 

 

Someone is always threatening to stop playing BioWare games over literally everything in the games. Fans get super entitled especially in games where they "create" their own character. I'm sure BioWare has... well, probably never listened to that group of people, honestly. There's plenty of valid criticism to be made about some of the things BioWare does and it's good for them to hear why something does or doesn't work for fans but the people who are saying, "change it or you lose my business" are the least likely to make their point heard.

 

Hm. Maybe the ME3 disaster counts as it working. Although there was a lot more to that than entitled fans saying they wouldn't buy BioWare games anymore.

[Birdy]

Well he did save me from slavery,  no sexy times though, sadly. Really really sadly.

[Ajna]

Looks like I have to start drinking again then...

[MadameQuizzy]

Just imagine all the feels if there indeed will be a happy ending... the forums will probably explode XD

 

Just imagine any new material involving Solas and Lavellan. There will be feels....

 

 

[Birdy]

Someone is always threatening to stop playing BioWare games over literally everything in the games. Fans get super entitled especially in games where they "create" their own character. I'm sure BioWare has... well, probably never listened to that group of people, honestly. There's plenty of valid criticism to be made about some of the things BioWare does and it's good for them to hear why something does or doesn't work for fans but the people who are saying, "change it or you lose my business" are the least likely to make their point heard.

 

Hm. Maybe the ME3 disaster counts as it working. Although there was a lot more to that than entitled fans saying they wouldn't buy BioWare games anymore.

Eh you can't please everyone, and honestly, bioware has done a pretty good job so far.

And the ME3 ending disaster I wouldn't call as an example for that. THey literally left galaxy sized plot holes in the ending.  Glaring, How the **** did your ground companions get on the ship.  The two people in charge of the ending fucked up.  Plus Videogames for kids got a huge dontion, so it' wasnt all bad

[InkQuest]

Just imagine any new material involving Solas and Lavellan. There will be feels....

 

 

 

[Addai]

Just want to point out that David Gaider has a shot of the Exalted Plains with Dalish aravels as his Twitter page background.

 

Oh god, I was done with spending hours of my life and oodles of my dollars on Dragon Age. Why did they suck me back in with the power of elfiness.

[hellozombie]

Looks like I have to start drinking again then...

Wait, were we supposed to stop drinking? Because I haven't stopped drinking since SOLAS...and hallelujah.

[SamanthaJ]

I'm not sorry about this horrible thing and I won't pretend that I am.

 

I think he did it again

He stole dear Cullen’s, intended girlfriend

Oh baby, it’s much more than a crush

It might be a curse, it’s that serious

Honey you were defenseless

That’s just how it was meant to be

Oh baby, baby

 

Oops! He did it again

He stole some sap’s heart, when they played the game

Oh baby, baby

Oops! You’re never free of

This elf sent from above

He’s king of ninjamance

[AryBoBary]

No one ever talks about June. I bet June did it. I bet June did all of it.

 

Ah crap, pretty sure that's my Levellan's Vallaslin. *mumbles* No WONDER Solas left me.

[jawsisinmywc]

The only dreams I have had about Solas is him giving me his opinions on random things. But at least it was fitting and he was visiting me in my dream, so I got that going for me which is nice.

[AryBoBary]

Wow. That bottle of wine did wonders last night.   I had my very first dream about Solas!

 

[Mims]

Ah crap, pretty sure that's my Levellan's Vallaslin. *mumbles* No WONDER Solas left me.

 

If it does end up being an elven god who is the 'big bad', it will be very tempting to switch to that marking just for irony's sake. 

[CardinalSin90]

Don't be sad!

Aww thanks Looks like I have a lot to catch up on the thread o.o *resumes lurking mode*

[AryBoBary]

If it does end up being an elven god who is the 'big bad', it will be very tempting to switch to that marking just for irony's sake. 

 

Oh jeez, SO. MANY. LAAYYYERRRRSSS! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Someone is always threatening to stop playing BioWare games over literally everything in the games. Fans get super entitled especially in games where they "create" their own character. I'm sure BioWare has... well, probably never listened to that group of people, honestly. There's plenty of valid criticism to be made about some of the things BioWare does and it's good for them to hear why something does or doesn't work for fans but the people who are saying, "change it or you lose my business" are the least likely to make their point heard.

 

Yeah, if everything that fans claimed to be ruined actually was ruined, there'd be no game left 

 

On happy endings and BioWare's female romances: So I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but y'all are nice people  I honestly think a lot of people were burned by ME3's ending and romances, and they're carrying that feeling of disappointment and disillusionment forward into DA:I.  I'm not going to tell anyone how to feel, and I can certainly understand feeling cautious and apprehensive going forward.  But IMO DA:I doesn't deserve to have the baggage of a very different game in another franchise tacked onto it.  It was the first game in which female PCs actually got more choices, and two of the guys (Cullen and Iron Bull) turn out perfectly well unless you really try to sabotage the relationship.  It did a great job of providing variety in the story arcs we get with LIs.  

 

And I don't think it's BioWare's fault if they write one really tragic LI, and then players choose to romance him out of a field of SIX potential LIs for Lavellan.  No more than a brightly colored fruit is deliberately tempting you to eat it, in Solas's words 

[Felya87]

Just imagine all the feels if there indeed will be a happy ending... the forums will probably explode XD

 

expecially with happy tears.

[zambixi]

Really? I think it's great how bioware takes fan desires into account....and I agree with how they overuse tragedy sometimes, especially in the female romances, but on the other hand, I think that's going a bit far, and I seriously hope they don't cave into compromising their storytelling just because people are threatening to leave if it doesn't turn out the way they want. I mean it's one thing if you just plain don't enjoy the games, but I feel, there's a fine line between art and propaganda...and I feel always giving people what they want to see or telling fans what they want to hear is treading dangerously close to the later. So I respect when writers aren't afraid to push back on that attitude a little bit, even while being open and accommodating to what fans want to see. 

 

I tend to think anyone who says "I will stop buying these games" is being a little melodramatic, but on the other hand there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't like this type of story and would prefer you change it." A little bit of entitlement is fine: I pay X amount of money for a product that I expect will have Y and Z characteristics. If I'd bought DAI and it had turned out to be a horror game I would be more than a little upset. People go way too far in criticizing BW for some reason, but that's a mix of squeaky wheel and internet anonymity I think.

 

I dunno what my point is really. I guess I'm a little defensive because I'm one of those people that wouldn't be so quick to buy a BW game if the Solas romance goes horribly south. Right now I'm bugging all my friends to play Inquisition, I'm buying merchandise, I'm posting on the forums, etc, all because I got so involved in the Solas romance. If the romance doesn't pan out in a way that I like, I'm going to stop doing those things. That's not a threat. BW has lots of people to buy their stuff and promote their games. But that is what would happen, because I'd love the driving force behind my new passion for the game. *shrug*

 

Wow. That bottle of wine did wonders last night.   I had my very first dream about Solas!

 

Me tooooo!! I had a brilliant conversation with him about whether or not he's ginger when he has hair xD