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[Willow_Elessidil]

I haven't completely caught up with all the posts but good afternoon my fellow Solas lovers and CAH participants.

 

How much did I embarrass myself last night? xD

[hellozombie]

Another track for the Solas x Lavellan playlist...kinda fits into my feelings about why he leaves Lavellan. Gotta keep her out of harm's way...but it's not the right decision man TAKE HER WITH YOU.

 

 

Lyrics:

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Spilling all your honey and lies

Got you nothing but grief
I can't hold you baby in my arms
Give you a little relief

Believe me baby and understand
I got your heel in the palm of my hand
And I was lost in the oh, so hard to find

How I can keep you babe
Outta harms way?
How I can keep you babe
Outta harms way?

Hanging out with them devils and fools

Got you nothing at all
Six feet deep, you won't lose your mind
You'll just sell your soul

Believe me baby and understand
I got your heel in the palm of my hand
And I was lost in the oh, so hard to find

How I can keep you babe
Outta harms way?
How I can keep you babe
Outta harms way?

[Birdy]

I haven't completely caught up with all the posts but good afternoon my fellow Solas lovers and CAH participants.

 

How much did I embarrass myself last night? xD

No more than the rest of us.  XD

[BubbleDncr]

I like to think Bioware likes to tell complicated stories with complicated choices. That's what made me fall in love with DA:O and thus, all the rest of their games, to begin with. 

 

In DA:O, if you romance either Alistair or Morrigan (the ones important to the plot) - being in a romance with them DOES make the game sadder. And I love that. Alistair may or may not dump you - and if he doesn't, you have to make him impregnate another woman, or else one of you dies. Morrigan will either ask you to be father an old-god-baby (with who knows what consequences) or she leaves you. And if you do sex her up, she leaves you anyways, later. (ignoring DLC for now since that's the stage we're at with DA:I)

 

Those were hard choices to make, even the happier outcomes were still bittersweet at best. 

 

If Bioware is still the company whose stories I fell in love with - there will be multiple outcomes to the Solas romance - ranging from devastating to bittersweet, based on what the player decides to do. 

 

So the happiest ending we can possibly end up with will probably result in the Inquisitor having to do some terrible things. And I'm cool with that - see my happy Warden+Alistair and Hawke+Anders. 

[Willow_Elessidil]

No more than the rest of us.  XD

 

I just saw your post from the last page? Solas dreams eh?  Good ones? Feel free to give details. 

 

My dreams were rather insane, but alas, no Solas.  Lot's of cats though....

[Birdy]

I just saw your post from the last page? Solas dreams eh?  Good ones? Feel free to give details. 

 

My dreams were rather insane, but alas, no Solas.  Lot's of cats though....

Nah, I don't think people want details of slaves being raped and eaten.

[BubbleDncr]

Nah, I don't think people want details of slaves being raped and eaten.

 

That's what YOU think.

[Renmiri1]

Me after the interview...

 

Me after reading this awesome fluff fanfic

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3076925

 

[Willow_Elessidil]

Nah, I don't think people want details of slaves being raped and eaten.

 

Oh ewww, CAH cards must have wormed their way into the dream.  D:

[scintilla]

And I don't think it's BioWare's fault if they write one really tragic LI, and then players choose to romance him out of a field of SIX potential LIs for Lavellan.  No more than a brightly colored fruit is deliberately tempting you to eat it, in Solas's words 

 

I'm not sure this point really stands unless people know ahead of time that they're picking the only tragic romance but I agree with everything else.

 

I tend to think anyone who says "I will stop buying these games" is being a little melodramatic, but on the other hand there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't like this type of story and would prefer you change it." A little bit of entitlement is fine: I pay X amount of money for a product that I expect will have Y and Z characteristics. If I'd bought DAI and it had turned out to be a horror game I would be more than a little upset. People go way too far in criticizing BW for some reason, but that's a mix of squeaky wheel and internet anonymity I think.

 

I dunno what my point is really. I guess I'm a little defensive because I'm one of those people that wouldn't be so quick to buy a BW game if the Solas romance goes horribly south. Right now I'm bugging all my friends to play Inquisition, I'm buying merchandise, I'm posting on the forums, etc, all because I got so involved in the Solas romance. If the romance doesn't pan out in a way that I like, I'm going to stop doing those things. That's not a threat. BW has lots of people to buy their stuff and promote their games. But that is what would happen, because I'd love the driving force behind my new passion for the game. *shrug*

 

A little entitlement is absolutely fine. BioWare is a business that doesn't function without it's customers. That's part of why the ME3 clusterfuck went down like it did - they made statements about the game that their customers found misleading, even if they weren't lies (and shouldn't have spawned some of the outrageous responses that they did). BioWare listens, which contributes to the noise made, people have come to expect more and more from them.

 

If something is done that makes you disinclined to spend more money with them, leaving feedback about why is good. Simply not buying is also a fair response. Threatening them or demanding change, less so.

 

Edit: If Solas is an experiment with an on-the-rails character/romance tragedy, hearing that people don't like it will hopefully prevent it from happening in the future. That's the value of all the ME3 comparisons - people saying they didn't like the Thane and Jacob romances and the ending is the only way BioWare knows that people won't keep paying for new games if that's how things turn out.

[Sable Rhapsody]

So the happiest ending we can possibly end up with will probably result in the Inquisitor having to do some terrible things. And I'm cool with that - see my happy Warden+Alistair and Hawke+Anders. 

 

100% agreed.  I really like the choice of how much you're willing to do for a happy ending.  What is your PC willing to compromise or sacrifice?  I did a lot of yelling at my screen when I got to the Dark Ritual, but that was an awesome choice.  Anders was also an interesting choice; even if you can't stop him from blowing up the Chantry.

[Felya87]

 

I dunno what my point is really. I guess I'm a little defensive because I'm one of those people that wouldn't be so quick to buy a BW game if the Solas romance goes horribly south. Right now I'm bugging all my friends to play Inquisition, I'm buying merchandise, I'm posting on the forums, etc, all because I got so involved in the Solas romance. If the romance doesn't pan out in a way that I like, I'm going to stop doing those things. That's not a threat. BW has lots of people to buy their stuff and promote their games. But that is what would happen, because I'd love the driving force behind my new passion for the game. *shrug*

 

 

Same here. I was very hurt by ME3 and DA2, so I was very esitant about DAI. If Solas's romance will just end up railorared in a bad ending no matter what like Thane (in a very hurried way and very little care about his LI status) it will be another big delusion.

[Birdy]

Oh ewww, CAH cards must have wormed their way into the dream.  D:

 

 

That's what YOU think.

 

 

Lol.  It was a pretty disgusting affair. It reminds me of the nasty things you find on the front page of Heavy R.  @.@  

 

 

BUT Solas saved me and too me back to his lovely home and comforted me.  It was awesome.

[what-the-honk]

I like to think Bioware likes to tell complicated stories with complicated choices. That's what made me fall in love with DA:O and thus, all the rest of their games, to begin with. 

 

In DA:O, if you romance either Alistair or Morrigan (the ones important to the plot) - being in a romance with them DOES make the game sadder. And I love that. Alistair may or may not dump you - and if he doesn't, you have to make him impregnate another woman, or else one of you dies. Morrigan will either ask you to be father an old-god-baby (with who knows what consequences) or she leaves you. And if you do sex her up, she leaves you anyways, later. (ignoring DLC for now since that's the stage we're at with DA:I)

 

Those were hard choices to make, even the happier outcomes were still bittersweet at best. 

 

If Bioware is still the company whose stories I fell in love with - there will be multiple outcomes to the Solas romance - ranging from devastating to bittersweet, based on what the player decides to do. 

 

So the happiest ending we can possibly end up with will probably result in the Inquisitor having to do some terrible things. And I'm cool with that - see my happy Warden+Alistair and Hawke+Anders. 

 

i wonder, what would your limits be on just how far you'd go to stick by solas' side? 

 

personally, i think that the bitter (or, one variation of the bitter part. there might be multiple) part of the "bittersweet" solas ending would be having to leave your friends/the inquisition to follow him, which my lavellan would do, but what if you had to do more? how far would be too far for you?

 

do you think there might be a lavellan x sera kind of moment? after the temple of mythal, sera pretty much tells you to not believe in what happened there. do you think solas would force you to choose between him or the elven culture you know today? to tell you to look behind you, at the "glory days" rather than to the future? i have no idea.

 

im nervous lmao

[Marieir]

Solas' new year's resolution: Star in an extremely awesome DLC/expansion.

[Renmiri1]

I want to be on team optimism, and I don't think anything that was said necessarily eliminates a more positive outcome in the end, but I just realized that don't think I have it in me to play the game and wait for the outcome with hope that it will be happy... I'm going to have to stop playing, and harden myself because its making me too sad, and not in a good way.  The problem here is definitely my own (low mood person generally) but after the Thane debacle, I think it is time for me to step back.

If there is no positive outcome then its not going upset me as much as it will if I have a selection of lavellan PTs with only gloom waiting for them.

I'll still keep an eye on the forums for now though.

 

Oh,  Happy New Year btw 

I hear you

 

 

I picked DAI to cheer me up with some really sad RL **** (my son is very ill) and ... god damn it Bioware you did it to me again. hould have known better than to romance a mage.

 

Still on team optimism, if only because I want to believe Bioware would not do Anders, Thane and Solas all on a row to it's fans.. Could they ?

[Willow_Elessidil]

I hear you

 

 

I picked DAI to cheer me up with some really sad RL **** (my son is very ill) and ... god damn it Bioware you did it to me again. hould have known better than to romance a mage.

 

Still on team optimism, if only because I want to believe Bioware would not do Anders, Thane and Solas all on a row to it's fans.. Could they ?

 

 

   Sorry to hear that...I hope the new year brings some healing his way.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I'm not sure this point really stands unless people know ahead of time that they're picking the only tragic romance but I agree with everything else.

 

That's true.  IMO in this day and age, with spoilers floating around right after or even before release, if players know they absolutely don't want to see something in their escapism, it's possible to avoid it altogether if they're willing to risk the research.  At that point, it becomes a decision for the player: is the integrity of the unspoiled story more important to them than avoiding something that they might not enjoy?

 

I did that with ME3 after hearing rumblings of discontent over the endings, and I'm very, very glad I did.

[R2s Muse]

Dear Solas thread,

 

I'm still dodging romance spoilers, so only popping in briefly. But, I just did the ball last night, and... if anyone knows, it'll be y'all. Please tell me there's a modder who has figured out how to get that hat off Solas's head. Or put him back in his armor or something. The clipping in the end scene almost made me cry in frustration.  

 

Thanks in advance!

 

R2

[Mims]

Unfortunately I don't know if we have the modding capabilities to do that just yet. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Really? I think it's great how bioware takes fan desires into account....and I agree with how they overuse tragedy sometimes, especially in the female romances, but on the other hand, I think that's going a bit far, and I seriously hope they don't cave into compromising their storytelling just because people are threatening to leave if it doesn't turn out the way they want. I mean it's one thing if you just plain don't enjoy the games, but I feel, there's a fine line between art and propaganda...and I feel always giving people what they want to see or telling fans what they want to hear is treading dangerously close to the later. So I respect when writers aren't afraid to push back on that attitude a little bit, even while being open and accommodating to what fans want to see. 

 

Yes, I've seen a few people post that they were giving up, even in this thread, if they didn't get their happy ending.

 

Again, I'm not that dramatic over it, but I do see that there's an overabundance of heartbreakers on the LIs-for-straight-female-characters side of things, and that imbalance isn't fair or right.  And by heartbreakers, I mean "it ends badly without anything you do making any difference."  I consider Blackwall one of those even if you can "end happily" with him, because leaving you alone naked in a barn post-sex and then learning later that he even lied about who he was... that's just not cool at all, and I don't know why the writers thought that it was a good idea to have him do that.  It would have been better, and smarter, and way, way less skeevy, to hold off on the sex until after the reveal of his true identity, as part of his forgiveness arc.

 

Someone is always threatening to stop playing BioWare games over literally everything in the games. Fans get super entitled especially in games where they "create" their own character. I'm sure BioWare has... well, probably never listened to that group of people, honestly. There's plenty of valid criticism to be made about some of the things BioWare does and it's good for them to hear why something does or doesn't work for fans but the people who are saying, "change it or you lose my business" are the least likely to make their point heard.

 

Hm. Maybe the ME3 disaster counts as it working. Although there was a lot more to that than entitled fans saying they wouldn't buy BioWare games anymore.

 

To be fair, the ME3 ending stunk.  When I played it I wondered what six-year-old they had gotten to write it.

[BubbleDncr]

i wonder, what would your limits be on just how far you'd go to stick by solas' side? 

 

personally, i think that the bitter (or, one variation of the bitter part. there might be multiple) part of the "bittersweet" solas ending would be having to leave your friends/the inquisition to follow him, which my lavellan would do, but what if you had to do more? how far would be too far for you?

 

do you think there might be a lavellan x sera kind of moment? after the temple of mythal, sera pretty much tells you to not believe in what happened there. do you think solas would force you to choose between him or the elven culture you know today? to tell you to look behind you, at the "glory days" rather than to the future? i have no idea.

 

im nervous lmao

 

Having to murder my other companions is probably where I'd draw the line - cept maybe for Sera or Viv (just on my Lavellan character, I like them on other playthroughs!)

 

Otherwise, I would have no problem with dooming Thedas to be with Solas. My Lavellan's goal from the beginning has always been "make things better for the elves." That seems to be Solas's goal as well (the people...they need me) - and he seems to think whatever it is he has to do will accomplish that. So my Lavellan would probably be down. 

[zambixi]

Yeah, if everything that fans claimed to be ruined actually was ruined, there'd be no game left 

 

On happy endings and BioWare's female romances: So I'm probably opening a can of worms here, but y'all are nice people  I honestly think a lot of people were burned by ME3's ending and romances, and they're carrying that feeling of disappointment and disillusionment forward into DA:I.  I'm not going to tell anyone how to feel, and I can certainly understand feeling cautious and apprehensive going forward.  But IMO DA:I doesn't deserve to have the baggage of a very different game in another franchise tacked onto it.  It was the first game in which female PCs actually got more choices, and two of the guys (Cullen and Iron Bull) turn out perfectly well unless you really try to sabotage the relationship.  It did a great job of providing variety in the story arcs we get with LIs.  

 

And I don't think it's BioWare's fault if they write one really tragic LI, and then players choose to romance him out of a field of SIX potential LIs for Lavellan.  No more than a brightly colored fruit is deliberately tempting you to eat it, in Solas's words 

 

ME franchise aside, there's still Anders and possibly Alistair which have people in a huff. The two female LI's from Origins can be deliberately killed or stabbed by the Warden, but show up and are made crucial characters in DAI. One of them can show up with your character's child. If Alistair shows up for an extended period of time, there's a 50% chance he dies. Then there's Alistair's romance in DAO, which made me so angry I thought about never playing the game again. Anders is...a whole different thing I don't really want to get into too much. I never romanced him because I didn't like his character in DA2, but a lot of people felt punished for keeping him alive in DAI because everyone seems to hate him. Not to say that the female LIs are perfect sunflowers - Merrill is a blood-mage and Isabela betrays you (usually temporarily) - but  don't think it's fair to blame the grumblings about the male LIs only on the ME franchise.

 

I'm super-happy that straight human/elf women get so many options. I'm SUPER SUPER glad they added Solas (obviously) and Cullen. Especially Cullen, because otherwise we'd been left with borderline-ick/tragic Blackwall romance (and the Iron Bull - who is a lot of fun). I don't think it's unfair to ask that all romances have an option to end in a way that is not absolutely tragic. It's not like there's a big blinking sign when you start the romance with Solas that says "THIS ELF WILL BREAK YOUR HEART." Almost all of the LI's question the relationship, so it's not fair to say that's a warning sign. And you're locked into Solas' romance only after the worst part of it happens. By that time I was like 70 hours into the game, with one major mission left. I shouldn't have to start an entirely new play through to get a romance that won't be tragic (in the End, whenever that will be). It should be possible for me to play and get a story I'm reasonably happy with the first time. BW writers themselves have said that they don't want to write something where the player feels like they need to reload a save to have an outcome they're satisfied with. A lot of people have talked about having to spoil the game for themselves so they don't inadvertently pick the "tragic" romance, because they are so prevalent.  I think that's a problem.

[BubbleDncr]

Lol.  It was a pretty disgusting affair. It reminds me of the nasty things you find on the front page of Heavy R.  @.@  

 

 

BUT Solas saved me and too me back to his lovely home and comforted me.  It was awesome.

 

Gah out of likes. LIKE

[vierrae]

Guess I'm finished with this piece at least for a while. I hate neck anatomy. Hate. It. Will redo it later...

Happy New Year everyone! I love you all, guys, you're the best community!

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