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So I know some people were discussing the Old Gods and such, and I found it interesting how 7 of the elven pantheon members are locked away, and there are 7 Old God dragons.

 

Just some random food for thought. Aren't there some theories that the Elves started the Blight as well? Hmm.

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#44802
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I actually think the outcome of Morrigan's romance got some subtle warning at various points in the game.

It was heavily foreshadowed, agreed. So was Solas'. His "it would be a kindness in the end but..." when you ask him not to go, for instance.
 

Then in the aftermath of the Temple of Mythal, he becomes re-dedicated to his purpose? Just speculation, but I get the impression Solas has his own mini-character arc through Inquisition, romanced or not.

I'm pretty sure the temple was a turning point for him.

And a little rallying cry for team optimism. I don't believe that even Solas can hide in the Fade from Lavellan, if she tries to find him. Not all PCs will want to, of course. But Solas' own words apply: "The Fade is shaped by intent and emotion. Remain focused, and it will lead you where you want to go." Lavellan can quote those words to him when he asks how she found him.  :D


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Tinfoil hat time go. 

 

No, seriously that's really cool. 



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Getting into Solas DLC...what if it won't be 1 DLC, but a series that follows him/his journey before we get to a confrontation?

Instead of just Wolf Hunt, we get two or three of decent length that bring the Inquisitor to a few different places where they pick up clues, lore, Fade dreams with Solas, whatever. It seems a bit anticlimactic to just have 1 DLC for Solas when he is clearly majorly involved in the future of Thedas.

 

Morrigan is involved too, but Witch Hunt works for her because The Warden has already saved Amaranthine/Vigil and is leaving it in the care of someone else. That means that The Warden can spend all his/her time looking for Morrigan because they were already planning on leaving to research The Calling.  There isn't half of Thedas being a backseat driver to what they're doing, or a requirement for them to stay in the limelight because Rifts.


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- The whispers in Mythal's well, when played backwards, reference 'the calling'.

 

What's that with wispers and the calling, again? Could you, please, be more specific?



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Getting into Solas DLC...what if it won't be 1 DLC, but a series that follows him/his journey before we get to a confrontation?

Instead of just Wolf Hunt, we get two or three of decent length that bring the Inquisitor to a few different places where they pick up clues, lore, Fade dreams with Solas, whatever. It seems a bit anticlimactic to just have 1 DLC for Solas when he is clearly majorly involved in the future of Thedas.

 

Morrigan is involved too, but Witch Hunt works for her because The Warden has already saved Amaranthine/Vigil and is leaving it in the care of someone else. That means that The Warden can spend all his/her time looking for Morrigan because they were already planning on leaving to research The Calling.  There isn't half of Thedas being a backseat driver to what they're doing, or a requirement for them to stay in the limelight because Rifts.

 

I've had this thought. I think it would only really work if there was just a hint of him in other ones, with their actual plot being something else. 

 

There's a lot of people who aren't big on Solas, so if EVERY dlc was directly related to him, a lot of people might not be interested in them all. 



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Raise your hand if you think June was the dork everyone hated in the God Group, but they always invited him anyway because he was still their friend. 

 

But how can you hate Sandal?   :crying:

 

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So I know some people were discussing the Old Gods and such, and I found it interesting how 7 of the elven pantheon members are locked away, and there are 7 Old God dragons.

 

Just some random food for thought. Aren't there some theories that the Elves started the Blight as well? Hmm.

 

 

Yep! There's quite a few of us who have speculated they might be one in the same. The only evidence against it is that Solas says they're not. But, there's every possibility that Solas is either unaware, or they've become so far detached from what they once were that he won't deem to call them as such.

 

It does seem like a fairly huge coincidence if they are unrelated. Particularly now that we know that the elven gods favored dragon forms and even considered it a crime for a non-god to assume the form. 

 

If I recall correct, during a banter with Solas, Cassandra hypothesizes about Corypheus' dragon and wonders if the Archdemons were 'pets' to other higher beings.


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What's that with wispers and the calling, again? Could you, please, be more specific?

The whispers you hear after drinking from the well are words played backwards. Video

 

I can't really make out "the calling" in the audio though.


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True. It's easy to forget that that thing with Flemeth at the end wasn't actually this crazy vision being shown the Inquisitor. It was totally bait for us gamers. For all our characters know, Solas was weirdly upset at the end, then left because elf agenda.

It would make sense for any DLC to be about something else, that just happened to have bits of Mythal's influence all over it to guide the Inquisitor to wherever Solas is.



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Getting into Solas DLC...what if it won't be 1 DLC, but a series that follows him/his journey before we get to a confrontation?

Instead of just Wolf Hunt, we get two or three of decent length that bring the Inquisitor to a few different places where they pick up clues, lore, Fade dreams with Solas, whatever. It seems a bit anticlimactic to just have 1 DLC for Solas when he is clearly majorly involved in the future of Thedas.

 

Morrigan is involved too, but Witch Hunt works for her because The Warden has already saved Amaranthine/Vigil and is leaving it in the care of someone else. That means that The Warden can spend all his/her time looking for Morrigan because they were already planning on leaving to research The Calling.  There isn't half of Thedas being a backseat driver to what they're doing, or a requirement for them to stay in the limelight because Rifts.

I like your idea.

The reason why I mention only 1 DLC is because not everyone had the same reaction to him that we did.  I have no idea how many people are of this opinion, but there are people that didn't like him at all, and rarely used him.  I think they're crazy, personally :P!  So in light of that, being the fair-minded person I try to be, that might not be DLC that everyone wants.  

I know there are people didn't romance him, enjoy him as a character, and would still like that much DLC dedicated to him.  But it just seems to be too many resources dedicated to one character, no matter how important he is to the plot.

That's not to say I'm not all for it.  Cuz like I said I am greedy!  So yeah I'll take it.  



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If I recall correct, during a banter with Solas, Cassandra hypothesizes about Corypheus' dragon and wonders if the Archdemons were 'pets' to other higher beings.

 

Maybe the Old Gods were to the elven gods what the fake archdemon was to Corypheus? 



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Solas's story does feel like it's too big for a single DLC but I can't see more than that dedicated to him. It may be a single DLC at the end + DA4. Or if it's really big world altering stuff they may hold off until they're done with the series. It would be kind of frustrating for all the people wondering "what's next" if they did that though.



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I am REALLY loving this whole theory, tbh. Makes for some fascinating discussion.


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If I recall correct, during a banter with Solas, Cassandra hypothesizes about Corypheus' dragon and wonders if the Archdemons were 'pets' to other higher beings.

 

 

Oh! What if the Old Gods were avatars to the elven pantheon? Like how in DnD the gods have their chosen avatars/second in command who interact with the mortal populace. If the Old Gods were those avatars (now abandoned by whatever happened), they totally could have tried to get the Imperium Magisters to release the trapped elven gods. 

 

That would also kind of explain how their "portfolios" don't exactly match up with all the elven gods. They represent merely one aspect that was shown in public to the people. June's beauty in his craftsmanship, Dirthamen's silence (because secrets), etc. The "high dragon" constellation that doesn't really fit with Tevinter lore could be Mythal and her serpent form, or high dragons in general because they were a chosen form of the gods/their avatars and therefore sacred.

 

They were imprisoned in the earth for some reason, and now they're emitting magic signals to anyone who can understand them and free them. They need to be free in order to continue trying to release their masters. That the Darkspawn are the only ones who can understand probably ties in with how the Blight started to begin with. 


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By the way, one of astrarium constellations is "Fenrir". Dread Wolf anyone?

 

 

The whispers you hear after drinking from the well are words played backwards. Video

 

I can't really make out "the calling" in the audio though.

Oh, I do hear "The Calling". It is incredible, thanks!


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This is a verryy cool thought. How the dragons themselves fit in with all of the elven gods was my main stumbling point. But tying them to Corypheus and his dragon makes a ridiculous amount of sense.

 

And also, means that like him they can be killed and not die. 



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The only way to get a happy ending with Alistair is to either:

 

  • Make him a Warden, resulting in his potential death in DAI
  • Make him King, and be his mistress, because one happened to make the "wrong" decision way back during the CC, without having any idea that it would affect the romance
  • Make him King, and rule with him as F!Cousland if one happened to make the "right" decision was back during the CC, without having any idea that it would affect the romance
  • Those two decisions are only available if you happened to make the "right" decision during his personal quest, without having any idea that it would affect the romance
  • No matter what, you must force him to sleep with and father a child with someone that he objectively does not like
  • If you don't, he sacrifices himself for you and you get no say unless you leave him home - even if you made him king and he broke up with you

 

I felt really blindsided by the whole thing, since it was a fairytale romance up until that point. Granted, I was also a teenager and probably wouldn't have reacted as strongly today but such as it was...

All of this plus the fact that we could see as players, the obvious choices that were created with male characters in mind, and how much more deep and meaningful those choices were that we did not have access to. I'm not saying I wanted to romance Morrigan, only that it was obvious to me as a player, at the end of the game, that the story of Morrigan, a male warden, and the old-god baby was the important story the writers wanted to tell, and that it was not the story I was getting to experience. It made me feel very looked over and unwanted as a BioWare customer. (This was also coming on the heels of Lucas declaring Revan to be canon male, which still makes me feel unbelievably sad and disrespected as a player.)

 

Inquisition (and especially the Solas romance) has utterly turned around my opinion on this subject. I finally feel like my experience as a female gamer is every bit as valued by the writers and creators as the experience of the male player. (now if we could just get marketing on board this positivity train...)

 

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*Suddenly remembers the intensity of Solas' sadness in that postcast*

 

Oh...

 

Oh no I'm feeling bad feelings. 

 

*gets in bed*

 

[Boyfriend greatly disapproves]


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Maybe it releases whatever power the soul has and sends it straight back to whichever god it belongs to? If all the Old Gods are killed, then all the gods have a significant portion of their power back. And...they break out in a fury and kill a bunch of people. They could be blight corrupted by now, for all we know. Eluvians can get blight corrupted, so some piece of them must be alive in some fashion. :|


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But how can you hate Sandal?   :crying:

 

I believvvvvvve...

 

Oh wow.... that kinda makes sense...



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This is a verryy cool thought. How the dragons themselves fit in with all of the elven gods was my main stumbling point. But tying them to Corypheus and his dragon makes a ridiculous amount of sense.

 

And also, means that like him they can be killed and not die. 

 

THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN KINDA SAYING SORTA



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Maybe it releases whatever power the soul has and sends it straight back to whichever god it belongs to? If all the Old Gods are killed, then all the gods have a significant portion of their power back. And...they break out in a fury and kill a bunch of people. They could be blight corrupted by now, for all we know. Eluvians can get blight corrupted, so some piece of them must be alive in some fashion. :|

And that's why Solas is so angry with the Wardens for their bad plan!


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Maybe the Old Gods were to the elven gods what the fake archdemon was to Corypheus? 

 

If this were correct, it would explain why they are both seven. (The elven pantheons minus Fen'Harel and Mythal).

 

It also brings up the question: what Archdemons truly are? The collective enslaved souls of a thousand people? Was it their 'creation' that resulted in the rebillion of the Dread Wolf. He obviously despises slavery. And he's strongly against the Grey Wardens' plan of slaying the Archdemons in their slumber. I have this suspicious that it had less to do with raising a demon army and more about killing the Old Gods.

 

It is simply a theory, and now this is sounding like Mass Effect all over again with the Old Gods being Reapers. And I would have brushed it aside before DAI, but I guess anything could happen now that we have Red Templars (Cerberus), the Calling (Indoctrination), the Ancient Elves (Protheans)m Darkspawn (husks)...



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Here's a crackpot theory. June created the prisons for the rest of the pantheon. God of Crafts? Totally crafted the Eluvians, or shared the secret to creating them with the elven people. After Mythal's murder, he conspired with Fen'Harel to construct special Eluvians that would hold the elven gods until they calmed the **** down and stopped killing everyone. Fen'Harel, our rebellious guardian, protected June from any backlash and took the entirety of the blame for the downfall of The People after sealing the gods did exactly what he was wanting to avoid.


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