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[Seregwen]

I'm not caught up, but I wanted to share this text message exchange I just had with my friend:

Spoiler

 

 

**edited** holy crap that is a big picture

 

Wish me luck for a Solas phone call! My boyfriend thinks I'm the most ridiculous human ever.   

[_Lucinia]

Here's a crackpot theory. June created the prisons for the rest of the pantheon. God of Crafts? Totally crafted the Eluvians, or shared the secret to creating them with the elven people. After Mythal's murder, he conspired with Fen'Harel to construct special Eluvians that would hold the elven gods until they calmed the **** down and stopped killing everyone. Fen'Harel, our rebellious guardian, protected June from any backlash and took the entirety of the blame for the downfall of The People after sealing the gods did exactly what he was wanting to avoid.

And hid June inside Sandal for safe keeping!

[vierrae]

Maybe it releases whatever power the soul has and sends it straight back to whichever god it belongs to? If all the Old Gods are killed, then all the gods have a significant portion of their power back. And...they break out in a fury and kill a bunch of people. They could be blight corrupted by now, for all we know. Eluvians can get blight corrupted, so some piece of them must be alive in some fashion. :|

It's not stated that eluvians themselves can be corrupted. In DAO in the Daligh origin Tamlen and HoF became blighted *through* the eluvian, as it led to some kind of underground city.

[miraclemight]

Maybe it releases whatever power the soul has and sends it straight back to whichever god it belongs to? If all the Old Gods are killed, then all the gods have a significant portion of their power back. And...they break out in a fury and kill a bunch of people. They could be blight corrupted by now, for all we know. Eluvians can get blight corrupted, so some piece of them must be alive in some fashion. :|

 

I like this theory and it actually makes a lot of sense.

[scintilla]

It's not stated that eluvians themselves can be corrupted. In DAO in the Daligh origin Tamlen and HoF became blighted *through* the eluvian, as it led to some kind of underground city.

 

Merrill mentions cleansing the mirror of the Blight. That's why she took up blood magic in the first place.

[vierrae]

Merrill mentions cleansing the mirror of the Blight. That's why she took up blood magic in the first place.

Blight affects only the living, no?

[electricfish]

And hid June inside Sandal for safe keeping!

 

Yes! Our crafting/enchantment savant can create big booms to destroy darkspawn. His weird prophesy is the soul of June coming out to warn Hawke against impending crazy that's going to happen. June was probably that introverted nerd who liked building things with legos, and thought Mythal had scary eyes. She was the dispenser of justice to the elven people, after all.

Nerds have to stick together, so Solas would totally protect him like a younger brother, even in his hot-blooded younger years.

[zambixi]

All of this plus the fact that we could see as players, the obvious choices that were created with male characters in mind, and how much more deep and meaningful those choices were that we did not have access to. I'm not saying I wanted to romance Morrigan, only that it was obvious to me as a player, at the end of the game, that the story of Morrigan, a male warden, and the old-god baby was the important story the writers wanted to tell, and that it was not the story I was getting to experience. It made me feel very looked over and unwanted as a BioWare customer. (This was also coming on the heels of Lucas declaring Revan to be canon male, which still makes me feel unbelievably sad and disrespected as a player.)

 

Inquisition (and especially the Solas romance) has utterly turned around my opinion on this subject. I finally feel like my experience as a female gamer is every bit as valued by the writers and creators as the experience of the male player. (now if we could just get marketing on board this positivity train...)

 

I agree. I hope it continues in the same way that Leliana/Morrigan romances have continued. I would wave the BW flag forever if a male LI (straight, gay, pan, or otherwise) actually became integral to the long-run story. Even Alistair was apparently not important enough to be safe! Well I already love BW for including so many women in important roles in their games... but I'd love them more.

 

 

Someone mentioned that not everyone likes Solas and thus they might not devote a lot of time to his story but... not everyone likes Leliana or Morrigan either. I have a friend who just started DAI, who heard that Morrigan was involved and was downright gleeful that they might be able to work against her because they hated her. I don't know what the larger opinions are on their characters (I think most people like Morrigan, dunno about Leliana), but I think they're going to tell the story they want to tell at this point. So if Solas is going to be Important, we'll be seeing him a lot in future DLC. If not, then we won't.

[scintilla]

Blight affects only the living, no?

 

I didn't write the story. Merrill learned blood magic to get the power to cleanse the Eluvian. You were responding to someone who suggested some part of the Eluvians are alive though.

[vierrae]

Meanwhile, as Mr. Gaider and Weekes stalk this thread and read our latest brilliant theory, they're like "Dang, they've figured it all out!"

[electricfish]

Blight affects only the living, no?

 

Lyrium can get the Blight. That's why it turns red and does creepy ****. 

[Brass_Buckles]

 

AHA!

 

I found the codex entry that supported my point about the dragons!

 

"There were seven Old Gods, great winged dragons that were said to rule over the ancient world. The Chantry maintains that they are responsible for the original sin, that they turned humanity away from its true creator through deceit. Humanity's faith faltered, and thus the Maker turned away from the world--but not before trapping the Old Gods in eternal prisons beneath the earth as punishment. (i think this is fen'harel)

 

Scholars assume that the Old Gods must indeed have been real at one point, but most agree that they were likely actual dragons--ancient high dragons of a magnitude not known today, and impressive enough to frighten ancient peoples into worshipping them. Some even claim that these dragons slumber as a form of hibernation, not as a result of the Maker's wrath.

 

Regardless of the truth, legend maintains that even from their underground prisons, the Old Gods were able to whisper into the minds of men."

 

 

1.) Dragons were just dragons with something special about them

 

2.) they were stuck underground already and were talking to men through dreams or something. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...y:_The_Old_Gods

 

 

Look up "Great Dragons" on the wiki... I believe the Old Gods were either transformed into, or they were elven god souls placed into, Great Dragons.  Or maybe they're the same thing?

 

Heartbreak is given to women more because we're strong enough to handle it.

Its the end of the world when my husband has a sniffle, god forbid I ever break his heart.

I never would, of course. Lol.

 

I don't agree.  Men can handle it--they may want the sympathy from their loved ones because they are taught to do so, but men and women aren't that different in the end.  If the devs favor the emotions of men (somehow thinking that they can't handle it etc)  by not giving them heartbreaking scenarios for their in-game LIs, they should consider that maybe women do not want the heartbreak either.

[MidgetNemo]

Ohh this is really interesting! Why do you guys think Flemeth wanted the old god soul from Kieran though? I´ve been trying to figure out if it connect to anything.

[LobselVith8]

Blight affects only the living, no?

 

It also affects inanimate things, like staves, and even the land, since certain areas become blighted, like parts of the Anderfels and Ferelden.

[SleepyBird]

Meanwhile, as Mr. Gaider and Weekes stalk this thread and read our latest brilliant theory, they're like "Dang, they've figured it all out!"

I love what Gaider recently said on his blog about all our little theories:

 

"There’s so many of them that, like a shotgun, at least some of them have to hit the mark (to a point). I’m not going to say which, of course, but there’s a couple I’ve read where I was like “oh, that’s pretty close…not too bad…aww, and here you go right off the rails. Tsk.” Fan speculation is fun."

 

[vierrae]

Lyrium can get the Blight. That's why it turns red and does creepy ****. 

Yep. and Bianca states it makes lyrium alive

 

 

The whispers you hear after drinking from the well are words played backwards. Video

 

I can't really make out "the calling" in the audio though.

Guess it just affects inanimate stuff in a different way

Modifié par vierra, 01 janvier 2015 - 11:19 .

[scintilla]

Someone mentioned that not everyone likes Solas and thus they might not devote a lot of time to his story but... not everyone likes Leliana or Morrigan either. I have a friend who just started DAI, who heard that Morrigan was involved and was downright gleeful that they might be able to work against her because they hated her. I don't know what the larger opinions are on their characters (I think most people like Morrigan, dunno about Leliana), but I think they're going to tell the story they want to tell at this point. So if Solas is going to be Important, we'll be seeing him a lot in future DLC. If not, then we won't.

 

Morrigan and Leliana got one short DLC each. They were, however, important in DAI and Leliana has made appearances in DA2, Asunder, and The Masked Empire. Popularity isn't hugely important if the character is necessary but I don't think they'll devote an entire series of DLC to a single character.

 

Lyrium can get the Blight. That's why it turns red and does creepy ****. 

 

Lyrium is alive. I wish I could remember where that comes from but I'm pretty sure it comes up somewhere in DAI. Bianca says it, maybe.

[SamanthaJ]

It also affects inanimate things, like staves, and even the land, since certain areas become blighted, like parts of the Anderfels and Ferelden.

The land is alive. Some part of the staves must be alive. Lyrium is alive. Some part of the Eluvians must be alive. Everything in this world is apparently alive. And everything apparently sings, too.

[miraclemight]

I don't agree.  Men can handle it--they may want the sympathy from their loved ones because they are taught to do so, but men and women aren't that different in the end.  If the devs favor the emotions of men (somehow thinking that they can't handle it etc)  by not giving them heartbreaking scenarios for their in-game LIs, they should consider that maybe women do not want the heartbreak either.

 

Didn't the male players go through something similar with Morrigan in Origin?

 

And lo and behold, she got the fluffiest conclusion in DAI (happy family and child). Do not lose hope, Team Optimism.

 

 

I admit the whole Well of Sorrow business is shady at best, so there's that...

[electricfish]

It also affects inanimate things, like staves, and even the land, since certain areas become blighted, like parts of the Anderfels and Ferelden.

 

I'm going to go with: sort of. Staves and swords can be twisted/corrupted in part due to the lyrium involved in creating the enchanted ones. Swaths of land are blighted because of all the living things. There are big things like trees and grass, but there's all the bacteria and various microbes in the soil.

 

Bianca makes it a point to state that red lyrium has the Blight, which is super bizarre because only animals/living things can get The Blight, not minerals or rocks.

[Mims]

Ohh this is really interesting! Why do you guys think Flemeth wanted the old god soul from Kieran though? I´ve been trying to figure out if it connect to anything.

 

Two theories. In both cases, I think Flemeth/Mythal is legitimate in her affections towards Morrigan and her grandson. She legitimately wants it out of him. But she does pose a challenge to Morrigan first, perhaps to deem her worthy of being her successor. [Whether or not she would choose power over her own son's life, which is effectively what the elven gods chose when they became corrupted. Power.]

 

Option A.] The spirit of the god is cleansed, and no longer insane. She puts it for safekeeping somewhere.

Option B.] The spirit 'shard?' is a weapon to use against the larger god. She now controls it and has weakened the main entity. 

[mindoirs]

http://shispan.tumbl...peculation-more

 

has anyone read this, btw? so interesting.

 

really love the DA lore and all of the room it provides for speculation. our theories may not turn out to be correct in the end, but in the meantime, few can be totally and irrevocably refuted.

i think i've become a pretty big fan of this whole elf/blight/lyrium theory. can't imagine how grand everything is in reality.

 

it is extremely unlikely, perhaps impossible, but i'd love a flashback into ancient arlathan. i'd love to see the pantheon interact and see how it was before. i don't think we'll ever get that though, since a big thing about all this is how it's been forgotten in text and we can only infer.

[_Lucinia]

 

Someone mentioned that not everyone likes Solas and thus they might not devote a lot of time to his story but... not everyone likes Leliana or Morrigan either. I have a friend who just started DAI, who heard that Morrigan was involved and was downright gleeful that they might be able to work against her because they hated her. I don't know what the larger opinions are on their characters (I think most people like Morrigan, dunno about Leliana), but I think they're going to tell the story they want to tell at this point. So if Solas is going to be Important, we'll be seeing him a lot in future DLC. If not, then we won't.

That was me.  

I was saying that in reference to the idea someone had of a multiple part story involving Solas over the course of several DLCs.  BioWare has stated that they're using player feedback to help decide how they approach DLC.  I am sure past reactions to things play a part in that.  I'm not trying to be negative or discourage anything.  I just wouldn't be surprised if they might not devote that much DLC to one character.  Because how many people will buy and play this DLC does factor into their decisions.

Yes you're right they're going to tell the story they want to tell.  And I want them to do that.  It's important for me that BioWare tells the story they want in the manner that they want.  I don't like pandering.  And I don't like the idea of them having to take their story in a direction they don't want to just because fans will get upset.  But that's a discussion not for here.  If they want to do several DLCs involving Solas, uhh yes please.  I ain't gonna complain!

I want lots of DLC.  Focused on whomever they want.  I am biased towards the Solas focus.  But I am trying to keep my expectations in check.

[scintilla]

The land is alive. Some part of the staves must be alive. Lyrium is alive. Some part of the Eluvians must be alive. Everything in this world is apparently alive. And everything apparently sings, too.

 

Final Big Bad is the Sing-quisition?

[AryBoBary]

Raise your hand if you think June was the dork everyone hated in the God Group, but they always invited him anyway because he was still their friend. 

 

Poor June. Perhaps it is telling that the Dalish essentially forgot about him, and reworked him into the god of crafts. I wonder what he was originally the patron of. 

 

God of Elf Butts.  June was crafty alright, busy crafting elf-butt murals all over Emerald Graves.