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[AWTEW]

I'm not made of Pictures, woman! atleast It moves. 

 

here

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and Solas goes GRRRR

[Aetheria]

I've been listening to "The Lost Temple" from the soundtrack on repeat for the last 2 hours. 

 

 

I CAN'T STOP HELP

[Nika]

1900 pages!!

http://darthempress....getting-punched

[soragrey]

...whom they called "Andraste"... 

 

I just did that quest last night in Origins! There was also some immortal dude in charge of protecting the Urn. I wonder what happened to him.

[dragondreamer]

Now I remember that at some point the Temple of Sacred Ashes was a home to cultists who worshiped a FRIGGIN' DRAGON

 

Interesting that they associated Andraste with a dragon, hm?

[tehluhlah]

Starting my Solasmance playthrough... I think this Lavellan can handle him. Wish me luck

 

[Illyria]

I just did that quest last night in Origins! There was also some immortal dude in charge of protecting the Urn. I wonder what happened to him.

 

The codex entry you get in DAI on the Temple of Sacred Ashes says that there was no sign of the ashes when the first pligrims arrived, so I assume that he took the ashes someplace else (this was on an import where the Cultists were not sided with).

[dragondreamer]

I just did that quest last night in Origins! There was also some immortal dude in charge of protecting the Urn. I wonder what happened to him.

 

That was a spirit.  It's a mystery what happens to him or the ashes.  They were both gone by the time the Chantry showed up.

[NightSymphony]

Here's a bunch of new Solas art    all safe for work

http://liliumsnow.de...nooze-505040226

 

http://vamtaro.devia...Solas-505044645

 

http://artbylux.devi...thing-504830791

 

http://galoogamelady...snort-504504518

[nranola]

Now I remember that at some point the Temple of Sacred Ashes was a home to cultists who worshiped a FRIGGIN' DRAGON

 

Edit: I don't remember the quest of Urn of Sacred Ashes too much because it was a long time ago, so I decided to read. This is taken from the wiki:

 

 

 

THE IRONY

IT PAINS ME SO MUCH

 

Oohhh... They may not have been as batshit crazy as we thought they were.

 

Okay, this definitely adds more fuel to the Andraste = Flemeth theory. Very interesting!

[Rabbitonfire]

Interesting that they associated Andraste with a dragon, hm?

Well at least the cult may have one thing right.

[Aroihkin]

Hello all.

 

Did my first play-through while avoiding 99% of spoilers, avoided all spoilers about Solas, my character went for him... and now I am here. Though I doubt I'll be here often enough to keep up with the thread at all. XD

 

WTB Egg Hunt DLC. The lack of resolution is killing me, and the fact that bioware is bioware and thus we may not even get resolution is the worst. If I could have faith that something will come of Lavellan and Solas, I wouldn't be flailing my arms around quite so much. I'd even be content with... well, like Witch Hunt. Let my Lavellan who romanced him wander off into parts unknown with him in the end. I'm down with that! But... bioware. :|

 

From a random page I hit while poking around the thread:

 

 

It's "Ar lath ma, vhenan" - "I love you, my heart". (And, yes, I sigh every time people write "ma vhenan" in fanfics. )

 

Whelp, I screwed that up. ¬_¬ (For my part, I was going off this, which is probably where a lot of folks take it from.)

[dragondreamer]

Well at least the cult may have one thing right.

 

It's all very Dalish-y.  Everyone has distorted pieces of the puzzle.  The cultists were supposed to be descended from the original disciples of Andraste, so they probably had a little bit of truth, but it got twisted over time.

[LliiraAnna]

Hello all.

 

Did my first play-through while avoiding 99% of spoilers, avoided all spoilers about Solas, my character went for him... and now I am here. Though I doubt I'll be here often enough to keep up with the thread at all. XD

 

WTB Egg Hunt DLC. The lack of resolution is killing me, and the fact that bioware is bioware and thus we may not even get resolution is the worst. If I could have faith that something will come of Lavellan and Solas, I wouldn't be flailing my arms around quite so much. I'd even be content with... well, like Witch Hunt. Let my Lavellan who romanced him wander off into parts unknown with him in the end. I'm down with that! But... bioware. :|

Welcome to the thread, and... don't lose hope yet  ​ 

[Shari'El]

Oohhh... They may not have been as batshit crazy as we thought they were.

 

Okay, this definitely adds more fuel to the Andraste = Flemeth theory. Very interesting!

 

And Mythal being Dumat.

 

I'm reading about all of the old gods and their constellations, I wonder if there are any more hints.

[TanisLave]

Aww ye, 1900 pages. 

[NightSymphony]

*screams at XBox*  Read the disc...^%$@^$W you!!!!

[drake2511]

The Mythal thing is interesting, one of the constellations talks about her and Dumat

 

Lol I just got that in Crestwood and went "oh, s***". I didn't see that before, maybe I wasn't paying attention. But this is so interesting!

Took a screenshot and wanted to post it here, but you read my mind lol


1900 pages! Yay! EDIT: ...nevermind XD I'm always late today ahah

I'll post a derpy Solas to make up for it

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Modifié par drake2511, 05 janvier 2015 - 03:11 .

[dragondreamer]

You could also make the theory here for Andraste is Dark Ritual'd Dumat, and Dumat was actually Mythal.  I'm still not entirely sold on the Old Gods and the Creators being the same, but I can certainly see a case for it.  If Mythal was murdered, I don't think she would be an Old God dragon, but who knows what all went down.

 

I'm still going with the Old Gods being the Forgotten Ones, if only because I'm not forgetting about them.    Among other reasons.

[Rabbitonfire]

It's all very Dalish-y.  Everyone has distorted pieces of the puzzle.  The cultists were supposed to be descended from the original disciples of Andraste, so they probably had a little bit of truth, but it got twisted over time.

Man, it's like they don't write books or something. The dalish has an excuse of being nomadic but those cultists settled there for years

[Rabbitonfire]

You could also make the theory here for Andraste is Dark Ritual'd Dumat, and Dumat was actually Mythal.  I'm still not entirely sold on the Old Gods and the Creators being the same, but I can certainly see a case for it.  If Mythal was murdered, I don't think she would be an Old God dragon, but who knows what all went down.

 

I'm still going with the Old Gods being the Forgotten Ones, if only because I'm not forgetting about them.    Among other reasons.

I like to imagine it was just absorbed and adapted to a new culture. Like roman gods and greek gods.

[Avejajed]

Wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if that dragon at the Urn was Flemythal the WHOLE TIME and instead of worshiping Andraste like they thought they were they were really worshiping an ancient Elven god. hahahahha.

[LliiraAnna]

Codexes on constellations (just in case) 

 

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Bellitanus: Referred to as "the Maiden" in common parlance, depictions of the constellation Bellitanus vary from one Age to the next. It has always been considered fashionable for prominent women of the day to be declared the Maiden's personification: Queen Madrigal in the Exalted Age, for instance, and Queen Asha before her. None of these women would likely appreciate the fact that Bellitanus is believed to have originally referred to Urthemiel, the Old God of Beauty.

 

Draconis: Called "High Dragon" in common parlance, the constellation Draconis is always depicted by a dragon in flight. Recently, it has come into question whether this was the case in the ancient Imperium. Most Tevinter dragon imagery was reserved for the Old Gods, so why would they dedicate a constellation to dragons in general when specific dragons were held in such reverence? This speculation is fueled by older drawings showing Draconis as more serpentine in appearance, perhaps depicting a sea creature or an unknown eighth Old God that was stricken from historical record.

 

Eluvia: Owing primarily to the popular Orlesian tale of the same name, the constellation Eluvia is commonly referred to as "Sacrifice." During the Glory Age, folklore told of a young woman saved from a lustful mage by being sent into the sky by her father - after which the mage killed him (hence the sacrifice). The daughter became the constellation, depicted as a seated woman with her head in the clouds. Prior to this tale, Eluvia was though to represent Razikale, the Tevinter Old God of mystery, and the constellation was the source of many superstitions involving the granting of wishes.

 

Equinor: Referred to as "the Stallion" in common parlance, the constellation Equinor has historically been depicted either as a rearing horse or a seated griffon. Some scholars speculate that the constellation's original image was that of a halla, which could indicate a deliberate supplantation of the constellation's original representation as Ghilan'nain, the elven goddess also known as "Mother of the Halla." However, as horses had great significance to early Neromenian culture (from which the ancient Imperium descended), this speculation is largely considered unfounded.

 

Fenrir: Called "White Wolf" in common parlance, Fenrir has always been considered an oddity among scholars, primarily because wolves have no special place within ancient Tevinter folklore. To many, this represents the strongest argument that the Imperium deliberately supplanted older elven constellation names - in the case of Fenrir, an alignment with the elven trickster god, Fen'Harel, would be logical. Others claim a much older Neromenian tale of a wolf escaping hunters by fleeing into the sky exists, but the legend's veracity has never been proved.

 

Fervanis: Commonly referred to as "the Oak," the constellation Fervanis is generally represented by a towering tree with leafless branches. Many scholars believe this is a representation of nature that harkens back to the lore of the early Neromenians, whose beliefs largely aligned with animism, prior to the rise of Old God worship and the creation of the Tevinter Imperium. Others, however, believe Fervanis was originally a constellation of the elven people - specifically, a depiction of Andruil, goddess of the Hunt. "Vir Tanadhal," or "Way of Three Trees," is a central tenet of Andruil, and some think that Fervanis originally represented this concept.

 

Judex: Depicted as a downturned sword, the constellation Judex is oft-called "the Sword of Mercy" in common parlance - even though the sword image was assigned to these stars long before Andraste's time. "Judex" referred to the concept of justice in ancient Tevinter, and the downturned aspect of the sword indicated a guilty verdict - which, in those times, generally translated to execution. Obviously, with its modern meaning and use as a symbol by the Templar Order, the old interpretation is frowned upon in scholarly circles.

 

Kios: Referred to as "Chaos" in common parlance, the constellation Kios is thought to represent the Old God Zazikel. These stars have often been depicted as ill omens; thus, in the Towers Age, a movement within the Chantry sought to change the constellation to a representation of a dove. It did not gain traction. According to folklore, the priest behind the effort fell from a bridge and died shortly after Divine Joyous II made the decision against her. I maintain that this never actually happened and is nothing more than astrological superstition.

 

Satinalis: Referred to as either "Satina" (after the moon) or as "Satinalia" (after the holiday) in common parlance, the constellation Satinalis has always been depicted by the Celebrant: a seated man playing a lyre. It should be noted that, in ancient Tevinter, the constellation was known as "Mortemalis," and was represented by a warrior holding aloft a head (usually that of an elf). The movement to officially rename it took hold in the Divine Age, and after eight hundred years, the original is all but forgotten.

 

Servani: Referred to as "the Chained Man" in common parlance, the constellation Servani is traditionally represented by a man dragging a heavy chain behind him. This is thought to be an ancient Tevinter representation of both Andoral, the Old God of slaves, and of the Tevinter system of slavery itself. The representation of Servani has been used by the Trisalus guild for well over two thousand years (according to their claim), and is visibly imprinted upon the armor of both Juggernauts, the giant golems guarding the gates to the city of Minrathous.

 

Silentir: Referred to as "Silence" in the common parlance, the constellation Silentir is historically attributed to Dumat, the Old God of Silence and leader of the ancient Tevinter pantheon. The depiction of the constellation, however, is often debated. Some depict a dragon in flight, while others (also the most common modern depictions) show a man carrying a horn and a wand. Some scholars believe these represented scales, which would point to this constellation being a supplantation of the elven Mythal, but nothing indicates this to be more than speculation.

 

Solium: There are two common interpretations regarding the history behind the constellation Solium, commonly referred to as "the Sun." The first is that it represents the fascination of early peoples (such as the Necromenians, predecessors to the ancient Tevinter Imperium) with all objects in the sky, the Sun and Moon in particular. Indeed, many believe proper depiction of Solium is as both. The second interpretation is that this constellation originally represented Elgar'nan, the head of the elven pantheon who was also known as "Eldest of the Sun." Modern scholars do not know which, if either, is truth.

 

Tenebrium: Called "Shadow" in the common parlance, likely due to the ancient association of the constellation Tenebrium with Lusacan, the Old God of darkness and the night. It is odd, however, that the depiction for this constellation has always been an owl and not a dragon, even in the Tevinter texts. This lends credence to the widely-held belief that Tenebrium was a name meant to supplant an older, elven association - perhaps with the elven god Falon'Din, sometimes represented in tales as a giant owl. There is, of course, another explanation: owls are nocturnal hunters, and among earlier people, were considered terrifying omens of loss.

 

Toth: The only constellation to maintain its ancient name in the present day, the constellation Toth directly corresponds to the ancient Tevinter Old God known as Toth, the Dragon of Fire. The depiction of this constellation varies, usually represented either as a man aflame (in agony, presumably a victim of the Old God) or as a flaming orb. Scholars in the Divine Age attempted to officially change the nomenclature to "Ignifir" (this is why some old texts record it as such), but the attempt never caught on, even after the eradication of Old God worship in the Imperium.

 

It's interesting how it speaks about Draconis probably representing an unknown eighth Old God.

[Mims]

Yeah, I have to say. The Mythal on the floor thing is very bizarre. There's no way that was unintentional. While I'm still not sure if Mythal actually IS Dumat, I feel pretty safe assuming that there is a very intimate connection between the old gods and the elven pantheon. Either they are one in the same, or they are 'soul keepers' like with Corypheus. 

[AWTEW]

Hello all.

 

Did my first play-through while avoiding 99% of spoilers, avoided all spoilers about Solas, my character went for him... and now I am here. Though I doubt I'll be here often enough to keep up with the thread at all. XD

 

WTB Egg Hunt DLC. The lack of resolution is killing me, and the fact that bioware is bioware and thus we may not even get resolution is the worst. If I could have faith that something will come of Lavellan and Solas, I wouldn't be flailing my arms around quite so much. I'd even be content with... well, like Witch Hunt. Let my Lavellan who romanced him wander off into parts unknown with him in the end. I'm down with that! But... bioware. :|

 

From a random page I hit while poking around the thread:

 

 

 

Whelp, I screwed that up. ¬_¬ (For my part, I was going off this, which is probably where a lot of folks take it from.)

 

Wellcome to the wolfmadness Solas thread!  Where we have our own chatroom and CAH games..

 

I avoided most spoilers for the romance itself, but I knew about solos and mythal before Ifinished my play through..