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[TanisLave]

Am I the only one who doesn't see a dragon? I see a hooded figurine kneeling being stabbed in the back.

 

Unless I just have horrid imagination. 

 

More notably a male kneeling figure. 

Modifié par TanisLave, 05 janvier 2015 - 05:42 .

[scintilla]

Am I the only one who doesn't see a dragon? I see a hooded figurine kneeling being stabbed in the back.

 

Unless I just have horrid imagination. 

 

It's not just you.

[LliiraAnna]

Am I the only one who doesn't see a dragon? I see a hooded figurine kneeling being stabbed in the back.

 

Unless I just have horrid imagination. 

Me too.

[Mims]

Hmm. I suppose it could be. The other pictures looked a lot more like a dragon.

 

Is it possible to get a closer look ingame, either with flycam or another tool? I would be curious to know what the statue is. 

[chibielf]

Am I the only one who doesn't see a dragon? I see a hooded figurine kneeling being stabbed in the back.
 
Unless I just have horrid imagination. 
 
More notably a male kneeling figure.

Looks exactly like a male hooded figure kneeling. Facing forward. Not a dragon.

[TanisLave]

Hmm. I suppose it could be. The other pictures looked a lot more like a dragon.

 

Is it possible to get a closer look ingame, either with flycam or another tool? I would be curious to know what the statue is. 

Yeah, I'd prefer a side view.

 

Both times I've seen that, all I see is a Male kneeling down, grabbing a rock or something for balance with a giant sword in his back. 

 

I mean, you can even see his foot protruding from the rocks on the lower right side, and his knee.

 

I just don't see a dragon? 

[Addai]

I see a female figure, but the head could possibly look like the dragon head you see in Mythal's statues where she's depicted as a dragon with a woman's body.

[zambixi]

There are eight murals.

 

Since there's still confusion over this, spoilered for Andraste stuff that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Solas:

 

Spoiler

 

Andraste and Shartan and followers. Andraste going magical girl on Tevinter.

 

OK so I'm not sold on the guy next to Andraste being Shartan, but I'm not sure who else it would be.  According to Dalish and Andrastian legend, Shartan died with Andraste. But in this mural hood-man is walking away as Andraste is being killed:

 

Spoiler

While that might not be true, I would think that the murals would depict the accepted dogma. I can't think of a reason why they would show something other than what everyone else in Thedas believes.  The guy in the ascension mural is definitely not the same hooded guy("Shartan"):

Spoiler

 

 

I think the one on the left may be Maferath. In the betrayal mural, it looks like there is a man wearing a hooded sleeveless robe with a fur cape making a deal with the magister. I think that's Maferath, and the guy in the ascension mural looks similar (sleeveless, hood, fur cape). Also, Shartan is supposed to be dead when Andraste ascends.

[Birdy]

it kind looks like both, It's most denfintly a kneeling man, but they put him in the same position as the dragon/wolf mural at end game. (One not stabbed)

[Avejajed]

Q. If we are working with the theory that Solas wants to help his people (elves?) regain what they have lost (immortality/magic/beauty/idk?) and we couple that by saying in order to achieve this he wants to let out the gods that he locked up- how does one translate to the other?

 

How would letting the gods out bring back what was lost? All that power and indignation of what their people have become may anger them enough to somehow make the elves magically immortal again or they will be able to return to what they once had or rebuild, or maybe use their power to fight a war for the elves, a reverse exalted march?

 

Solas knows these beings pretty well, I would assume, and I can’t imagine he thinks letting them out would be good for him, personally.

 

But maybe he thinks it’s worth what they will do to him (his death) in order to regain what was lost? They don’t seem like a forgiving lot.

[Nika]

I see a hooded male too...

Can't get closer 'cause the cutscene starts otherwise

Maybe someone can get a shot with flycam? I'm on ps3 so I can't

[chibielf]

^
Pretty sure "Shartan" is Maferath, who was Andraste's general, as well as her mortal husband.  He was also granted rulership the lands they conquered in return for betraying Andraste, so I think that's why he's holding that crown while she's being burned.

I thought Maferath was the one with the beard. Doesn't he always have a big bushy beard?

[Birdy]

Q. If we are working with the theory that Solas wants to help his people (elves?) regain what they have lost (immortality/magic/beauty/idk?) and we couple that by saying in order to achieve this he wants to let out the gods that he locked up- how does one translate to the other?

 

How would letting the gods out bring back what was lost? All that power and indignation of what their people have become may anger them enough to somehow make the elves magically immortal again or they will be able to return to what they once had or rebuild, or maybe use their power to fight a war for the elves, a reverse exalted march?

 

Solas knows these beings pretty well, I would assume, and I can’t imagine he thinks letting them out would be good for him, personally.

 

But maybe he thinks it’s worth what they will do to him (his death) in order to regain what was lost? They don’t seem like a forgiving lot.

We don't know exactly what "The People" are referring to when he says they need him.  He doesn't seem to identify or even like known groups.

[dragondreamer]

Except Maferath in Origins was depicted as wearing a barbarian helmet and armor. It looks more like Shartan to me.

 

Like those "energize" areas in the game, heh. 

 

I posted a shot of that statue pouring blood a few dozen pages back, too. I guess it's Mythal's murder. It has the same composition as the eluvian in the post-credits scene.

 

Shartan in Origins didn't look like that either, he was a small elf in rogue armor and no hood.  It's just very unlikely to be Shartan.  Maferath is a much more prominent figure in Andraste's story, and if that's supposed to be Shartan depicted in that pictorial of events, Maferath is noticeably absent.  It's also extremely rare for Shartan to appear in Chantry artwork because he's considered heretical.

[TanisLave]

Spoiler

 

 

Looks more male too me, with that shoulder range.

[DragonRacer]

I redid the fade part with Kieran to see if I can find anything interesting, there's this

wtf

Some more fade weirdness...

Spoiler

There's this random part with red lyrium in the fade, kinda weird too...

You can find this there:

 

I just did this last night as well. I was very struck and unnerved by The Watcher statue with the knife in the back pouring blood in the background.

 

That is "The Watcher" statue in the Dales, in the original camp you find Fairbanks in. It's a landmark and says something about no one knowing who or what it's watching and that it sorta creeps out some of the men.

[Mims]

 

But maybe he thinks it’s worth what they will do to him (his death) in order to regain what was lost? They don’t seem like a forgiving lot.

 

We don't completely know if he wants to free them or not. We know he has guilt about it, but he's definitely not looking back upon them with fondness. Whenever anyone brings up the elven gods, he's always quick to dismiss them as actually being gods or brings up something horrible they might have done.

 

If he does want to release them, I think its because he feels that as awful as they were, they were ultimately a better alternative than the world is now. For Solas, everything must be a bit post apocalyptic. If that's the case, then I do think he expects them to kill him.

 

But then we have Mythal and her revenge. Whatever Solas is planning to do, whether he knows it or not, I feel like it has something to do with her betrayal. She isn't going to surrender power unless she has set up everything perfectly to come to the conclusion she wants. 

 

Which is why I speculated a few pages back that there might be something additional that Solas wants to accomplish, such as rescuing ancient elves that might have been caught up in the great trap. Or it could be even further reaching, and involve the blight. 

[scintilla]

OK so I'm not sold on the guy next to Andraste being Shartan, but I'm not sure who else it would be.  According to Dalish and Andrastian legend, Shartan died with Andraste. But in this mural hood-man is walking away as Andraste is being killed:

 

I went back and changed it already.   It now says it's either Shartan or Maferath. If the murals are based on Andraste and her disciples, it would be Shartan. If they didn't want to put an elf in their murals, it would be Maferath. Both make sense. Havard is present at her death in the murals, even though the story says he didn't make it in time and all that was left were her ashes. If it's about her disciples, it could just be more artistic liberty.

[dragondreamer]

I thought Maferath was the one with the beard. Doesn't he always have a big bushy beard?

 

I don't know, he isn't bearded in those statues everywhere.  (Seriously, there's more statues of Maferath than Andraste.) 

[Rabbitonfire]

I don't know, he isn't bearded in those statues everywhere.  (Seriously, there's more statues of Maferath than Andraste.) 

aw yeah. It's only in origins he is depicted with a beard. Statues in orlais has him clean shaved.

[madrar]

Also, holy crap- while I chew through the last 400 pages, can anyone bring me up to speed on this dark Mythal / light Mythal stuff?  @w@  

 

I've had some terrible things pinging around in my head about Solas and Falon'Din, but it was way too far out there to mention.  Also, while I was poking through game text files to find some half-remembered conversation, I came across this bizarre bit, apparently lifted wholesale from Celtic mythology:

 

The Morrigan's major form is of an old woman, wrapped in a cape of black raven feathers. Sometimes she takes the form of the death raven announcing death, or the banshee predicting it with shrieks. She is the thunderhead that descends at death, and the soul which is torn from the body rises through it like lightning. Her body becomes the conduit of death, the stormy pathway of the soul.

 

 This is not for all people but it is the way she appears to the Fair Folk. Because she is the pathway, the vast network of reincarnation compressed into a cloudy mirror, she can guide the soul as she chooses. She needs only to change the pathways.

 

This... jesus.   That's some industrial grade theory fodder right there.   It's not a direct game reference, of course, and I've no idea why they stuck that in there other than as a prod to people who go poking where they shouldn't, but I've been trying to map the eluvian Crossroads to the Fade conceptually for a while.  There's definitely something to it- a much deeper connection than the fact that the eluvian between-worlds are their own private reality bubbles with their own rules, but it starts getting meta pretty quickly, with the Fade and magic starting to resemble... weird physics.

 

Then again, any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable, blah, blah, etc.

 

Anyway, it touches on a weird hunch I've been having about the Fade as a severed pathway for souls- that they once were going somewhere, and no longer can. The path is cut off, severed, just like the eluvians- trapping spirits to be washed of memory and reused, recycled.  As the Chant says, "nothing He has wrought shall be lost"... but this is a new Maker than perhaps once was, and Falon'din's interest in amassing worshippers at any cost is particularly suspicious in this context. 

 

Also, there's just too much evidence to the Sera-as-reborn-Andruil theory for it to be entirely in our heads.  It might be a red herring, but hints about "washing clean" and reincarnation are definitely there.  Something big happened when Mythal was murdered: something with tremendous consequences for elven society, far beyond losing their leadership- it cut them off from a part their essential nature.

 

"We are trapped. The ones born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost, or why so many of their elders weep as they enter uthenera. The new ones are faithful to Mythal, but do not understand what she was in her fullness. Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been.  I will teach them. They must serve. We must prepare for those who cast Mythal down. I shed my name the day I began her service. I shed my new one again, now that she rests. I will only be known by the sorrow that cuts my heart." 

 

Understanding these words is the key. It's far too easy to accept the reference as "without the Pantheon, elves will become mortal".  With a respectful nod to Bioware's writers, that doesn't seem clever enough to be their intention.  Consider this instead: without the wise guidance of Falon'Din and Dirthamen, souls cannot find the path they were meant to take to their new life and wander, lost, washed of original identity- or like Sera, are reborn unknowing.  They literally lose what they should have been.  

 

What Mythal/Solas may be trying to do, and what part Morrigan might play in this.... still way too raw for speculation.  But there's something there.  ...right?  I'm not completely crazy? 

[Sine_Amore]

I didin't realise it was going to be  so smutty. I can handle brief mentions but..not detailed smut.

 

#aceproblems

 

 

There is a black card, and you have a hand of white cards..and you have to awnser the black card with 1-3 white cards. As for whether a game is going now..I have no idea.

 

I have found my way to the chat room... Mayhaps I can join the next game! n.n

[DragonRacer]

To further clarify, The Watcher statue in the Dales does NOT have a knife in the back or blood pouring out.

[Monica21]

I've just started my Solasmance playthrough. (Yay! *sadness*) Anyway, in an effort to fully metagame my way through this and get the most out of it, I'd love some tips on proceeding through it. I may or may not have gone through all his flirts in Haven. The last one I had was, "So you're saying I'm graceful?" or something like that. I just got back from Val Royeaux and he didn't have anything new to say.

 

I'd really like to wring the life out of this instead of rushing through everything, so can you all offer some advice on best ways to proceed? What to expect and/or do after major story events or what to wait on to avoid the sometimes breakneck pace that leaves you with 100 hours of zero romance content? Thanks!