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[Avejajed]

PSA: No theory is too out there for this thread. lol. Have you read some of the **** we come up with?

 

Always feel safe about posting any out there theory you have. You wont be judged here.

[TanisLave]

I've just started my Solasmance playthrough. (Yay! *sadness*) Anyway, in an effort to fully metagame my way through this and get the most out of it, I'd love some tips on proceeding through it. I may or may not have gone through all his flirts in Haven. The last one I had was, "So you're saying I'm graceful?" or something like that. I just got back from Val Royeaux and he didn't have anything new to say.

 

I'd really like to wring the life out of this instead of rushing through everything, so can you all offer some advice on best ways to proceed? What to expect and/or do after major story events or what to wait on to avoid the sometimes breakneck pace that leaves you with 100 hours of zero romance content? Thanks!

 

I think the only time you *run* out of Dialogue with him, Is after What Lies in the Abyss? Also I think one of his companion quests is still bugged, PS. It's the third one, I could never do it atleast. What Lies Dormant, right? Aside from that, I don't think there is anywhere that haves you choose something and he hates you forever. Just be kind to mages and listen to him, It's not super hard to figure him out. : P

[Mims]

PSA: No theory is too out there for this thread. lol. Have you read some of the **** we come up with?

 

Always feel safe about posting any out there theory you have. You wont be judged here.

 

Yep! This thread is like 70% Solas rambling and 30% crazy conspiracy theory.

[Tielis]

 

Also, holy crap- while I chew through the last 400 pages, can anyone bring me up to speed on this dark Mythal / light Mythal stuff?  @w@  

 

I've had some terrible things pinging around in my head about Solas and Falon'Din, but it was way too far out there to mention.  Also, while I was poking through game text files to find some half-remembered conversation, I came across this bizarre bit, apparently lifted wholesale from Celtic mythology:

 

 

This... jesus.   That's some industrial grade theory fodder right there.   It's not a direct game reference, of course, and I've no idea why they stuck that in there other than as a prod to people who go poking where they shouldn't, but I've been trying to map the eluvian Crossroads to the Fade conceptually for a while.  There's definitely something to it- a much deeper connection than the fact that the eluvian between-worlds are their own private reality bubbles with their own rules, but it starts getting meta pretty quickly, with the Fade and magic starting to resemble... weird physics.

 

Then again, any significantly advanced technology is indistinguishable, blah, blah, etc.

 

Anyway, it touches on a weird hunch I've been having about the Fade as a severed pathway for souls- that they once were going somewhere, and no longer can. The path is cut off, severed, just like the eluvians- trapping spirits to be washed of memory and reused, recycled.  As the Chant says, "nothing He has wrought shall be lost"... but this is a new Maker than perhaps once was, and Falon'din's interest in amassing worshippers at any cost is particularly suspicious in this context. 

 

Also, there's just too much evidence to the Sera-as-reborn-Andruil theory for it to be entirely in our heads.  It might be a red herring, but hints about "washing clean" and reincarnation are definitely there.  Something big happened when Mythal was murdered: something with tremendous consequences for elven society, far beyond losing their leadership- it cut them off from a part their essential nature.

 

 

Understanding these words is the key. It's far too easy to accept the reference as "without the Pantheon, elves will become mortal".  With a respectful nod to Bioware's writers, that doesn't seem clever enough to be their intention.  Consider this instead: without the wise guidance of Falon'Din and Dirthamen, souls cannot find the path they were meant to take to their new life and wander, lost, washed of original identity- or like Sera, are reborn unknowing.  They literally lose what they should have been.  

 

What Mythal/Solas may be trying to do, and what part Morrigan might play in this.... still way too raw for speculation.  But there's something there.  ...right?  I'm not completely crazy? 

 

 

This also supports both my "lyrium is people" and "lyrium is blood" theories.

 

So the Fade was created by the ancient elves to make more magical power... buy using the souls of the departed.  And lyrium is residue.  But somehow all of this became tainted.

[Rabbitonfire]

PSA: No theory is too out there for this thread. lol. Have you read some of the **** we come up with?

 

Always feel safe about posting any out there theory you have. You wont be judged here.

I still can't get over the pregnant lavellan thing. one suggested a litter of puppies.

[dragondreamer]

To further clarify, The Watcher statue in the Dales does NOT have a knife in the back or blood pouring out.

 

I don't recall, but doesn't the Watcher statue resemble the Dirthamen statue at the old elven keep in the Exalted Plains?  (The place with the out of control elven death ray.)

[nranola]

Which is why I speculated a few pages back that there might be something additional that Solas wants to accomplish, such as rescuing ancient elves that might have been caught up in the great trap. Or it could be even further reaching, and involve the blight. 

 

I could see him doing this, if the Slow Arrow story is anything to go by. The elven gods are in a whole different league from regular elves, so when he says "the People" need him, it makes more sense to me that he's referring to those caught in the crossfire, the innocents, the "children" in Felassan's story - the ancient elves, and possibly modern elves as well, since modern elves are a direct result of what catastrophe happened long ago.

[Abyss108]

Statue definitely looks male to me, not like a dragon.

 

I think I missed the fashion vs form discussion but - ALWAYS FASHION!!! My characters all have to look pretty whilst saving the world!   I mean, they're all gonna be famous and have murals and statues made of them - would be so embarrassing to be pictured for all eternity in plaid!

 

In the post game conversation between Solas and Cole, Solas says "you might see the path I must now walk in solitude forever". The most common opinion on Solas' goals seem to be releasing the Elvhen gods. But why would that leave him in solitude forever? Sounds like that would be a pretty quick thing to bring them back, and then he wouldn't be alone. 

[MWImexico]

Re: Draconis.

Maybe this unknown 8th god is Felassan's mysterious boss. Maybe this God is the big bad. Maybe he's not even on Solas radar because maybe he thinks he's dead already but he wasn't dead but has been biding his time all these years or was somehow thought dead but was in unethera.

Just spending my lunch break throwing out crazy theories. This is my normal now.

 

About Felassan  :

 

Spoiler

So far I had this theory that Solas/Fen'harel was responsible of the dead of Felassan, because I thought that it's plausible to think that Fen'harel was trapped somewhere in the Fade sleeping for centuries, then that after he woke up, he decided to use the eluvians to escape and, since the plan A didn't work, he had no choice but to steal Felassan's body.

But now that I think about it, your theory could also work, if the big bad is another elven god traped in the Fade, he could have convinced Felassan that his ultimate objective is to help the elves, so Felassan could have accepted to cooperate with him for a while. But kill Felassan after his "betrayal" seems cruel and not that smart if you think about it : if you are trapped somewhere whith no chance to escape, kill your rare allies in an act of wrath seems desperate or crazy. but still possible though.

 

Also, if the "veil theory" is true and that it's really Solas/fen'harel that created the Veil a long time ago, I wonder why he did such a thing? Was it to create a material world in which the People would be free from the old gods or was it because the old gods became uncontrolable and too dangerous because of their inter-personnal wars? Perhaps the dead of Mythal was one of the reasons too, who knows? For the moment, my conjecture is that elgar'nan and his pals are trapped in the black city and that it's possible that the followers of Dumas were tricked to go there, not by Dumat himself but most likely by one of those elven gods. It's possible that this was an attempt to find a way out or an attempt to destroy the material world as we know it. Why? Because if the "veil theory" is true, the elven gods might consider that this world severed from the Fade is an imposture and that it should be destroyed.

Still in accordance with this theory, but about the (blue) lyrium this time, I imagine that since this substance is used to block/negate magic and reinforce reality, it's possible that the lyrium has played a major role in the creation of the veil. I mean, it's not simply a veil that was created, it's a material world constructed with specific rules that has been builded out of a world much more wild,magic, unpredictable and filled with pririts. I suppose that somehow the blue lyrium is a reflect of the original patern, uncorrupted, the original song.

[scintilla]

I've just started my Solasmance playthrough. (Yay! *sadness*) Anyway, in an effort to fully metagame my way through this and get the most out of it, I'd love some tips on proceeding through it. I may or may not have gone through all his flirts in Haven. The last one I had was, "So you're saying I'm graceful?" or something like that. I just got back from Val Royeaux and he didn't have anything new to say.

 

I'd really like to wring the life out of this instead of rushing through everything, so can you all offer some advice on best ways to proceed? What to expect and/or do after major story events or what to wait on to avoid the sometimes breakneck pace that leaves you with 100 hours of zero romance content? Thanks!

 

If your approval is high enough, when you get to Skyhold there will be a special (star) option where you say you want to talk to him more. This leads to the first friendship/romance scene. If you don't kiss him here, the romance can't happen. Definitely do it before Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts if you want romance content at the end of the quest. You might actually do Here Lies the Abyss first, then do the second romance scene (after All New, Faded for Her) then do WEWH. The final romance scene is after Temple of Mythal, if you're going to do anything else before endgame (I do everything else before What Pride Had Wrought, except wander around for post romance scene banter, because no Solas  ) you could wait to talk to him. It makes more sense if you do it immediately though.

 

Spread out asking him about the things he's seen in the Fade after the first friendship/romance scene. I think he has three sets. And that's everything I can think of.

[Mims]

Re; Felassan

 

Spoiler

It could be whatever god Felassan was bound to has more than one servant. Felassan comments that Briala 'wouldn't want to meet his people' somewhat ominously. That does suggest that there was more than him.

If we're working on the theory that there is another god at play, then I suspect Felassan may be bound to his service the same way that one can become bound to Mythal.

Nothing he does is actively against his master...but just enough to get away with it. He technically does find the Eluvians, but doesn't let Briala tell him the password.

[Shari'El]

I redid the fade part with Kieran to see if I can find anything interesting, there's this

wtf

Some more fade weirdness...

Spoiler

There's this random part with red lyrium in the fade, kinda weird too...

You can find this there:

 

I wish someone would use flycam on that area.

I can't. I play on PS :<

[TwoWardens]

I wish someone would use flycam on that area.

I can't. I play on PS :<

 

I'm ooonnnnn it

[Illyria]

Based

 

Based on legend, Fen'Harel is buddy-buddy with everyone. It's like he's a ward for protection. There was one time he mentioned there weren't many spirits in the area and we were near a wolf statue.  I wonder if the dalish misinterpret his gleeful laughter and hugging self with loud sobbing and fetal position. 

 

That's been my theory for a long time now, and my feeling that it's correct shot up with the Sol'Harel reveal.  Regardless of what the 'gods' did, these were his friends he was sealing away, after all.  He must've been so lonely...

 

 

I think I need a Hug Solas mod now.

[Avejajed]

This also supports both my "lyrium is people" and "lyrium is blood" theories.

 

So the Fade was created by the ancient elves to make more magical power... buy using the souls of the departed.  And lyrium is residue.  But somehow all of this became tainted.

 

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE.

 

 

I guess that's why they force-feed the lyrium.

 

All the force feeding in the game- tainted blighty flesh, red lyrium...it really grosses me out. On every level.

[Oswin]

Do you guys ever have the struggle of choosing between function vs fashion when crafting clothes? It's like, I want to look good but I don't really need cold resistance. 

 

You'd think I'd put more care into function when running on nightmare, but I'm still really picky. I currently have Dorian in purple and Solas in mostly white because it suits them, and er is practical I swear it. They'll both be rocking more orange than my Lavellan's hair once I've grabbed the rare stocks perk and grabbed the superb armour schematics to use my dragon components on. I had them both in it during my human run. Oh man, it's so orange it's blinding.

 

Solas is invaluable to me on this run. I keep thinking I'm just really good at this game, then I try changing me team around. Lol, nope. Turns out that my Inquisitor, Dorian, Solas and Cassandra are an unstoppable killing team. 

I definitely realised this when I tried bringing Cole along because I wanted to get some Cole/Dorian banter. Oh man. Cole, ILY, but you should not leave Skyhold on Nightmare mode. Constantly died. AND I didn't get any banter. Crossing the Hissing Wastes in silence is depressing.

[Shari'El]

Q. If we are working with the theory that Solas wants to help his people (elves?) regain what they have lost (immortality/magic/beauty/idk?) and we couple that by saying in order to achieve this he wants to let out the gods that he locked up- how does one translate to the other?

 

How would letting the gods out bring back what was lost? All that power and indignation of what their people have become may anger them enough to somehow make the elves magically immortal again or they will be able to return to what they once had or rebuild, or maybe use their power to fight a war for the elves, a reverse exalted march?

 

Solas knows these beings pretty well, I would assume, and I can’t imagine he thinks letting them out would be good for him, personally.

 

But maybe he thinks it’s worth what they will do to him (his death) in order to regain what was lost? They don’t seem like a forgiving lot.

 

That's why I think he wants to bring down the veil, and not to release the gods.

[Avejajed]

About Felassan  :

 

Spoiler

So far I had this theory that Solas/Fen'harel was responsible of the dead of Felassan, because I thought that it's plausible to think that Fen'harel was trapped somewhere in the Fade sleeping for centuries, then that after he woke up, he decided to use the eluvians to escape and, since the plan A didn't work, he had no choice but to steal Felassan's body.

But now that I think about it, your theory could also work, if the big bad is another elven god traped in the Fade, he could have convinced Felassan that his ultimate objective is to help the elves, so Felassan could have accepted to cooperate with him for a while. But kill Felassan after his "betrayal" seems cruel and not that smart if you think about it : if you are trapped somewhere whith no chance to escape, kill your rare allies in an act of wrath seems desperate or crazy. but still possible though.

 

Also, if the "veil theory" is true and that it's really Solas/fen'harel that created the Veil a long time ago, I wonder why he did such a thing? Was it to create a material world in which the People would be free from the old gods or was it because the old gods became uncontrolable and too dangerous because of their inter-personnal wars? Perhaps the dead of Mythal was one of the reasons too, who knows? For the moment, my conjecture is that elgar'nan and his pals are trapped in the black city and that it's possible that the followers of Dumas were tricked to go there, not by Dumat himself but most likely by one of those elven gods. It's possible that this was an attempt to find a way out or an attempt to destroy the material world as we know it. Why? Because if the "veil theory" is true, the elven gods might consider that this world severed from the Fade is an imposture and that it should be destroyed.

Still in accordance with this theory, but about the (blue) lyrium this time, I imagine that since this substance is used to block/negate magic and reinforce reality, it's possible that the lyrium has played a major role in the creation of the veil. I mean, it's not simply a veil that was created, it's a material world constructed with specific rules that has been builded out of a world much more wild,magic, unpredictable and filled with pririts. I suppose that somehow the blue lyrium is a reflect of the original patern, uncorrupted, the original song.

 

 

I'm intrigued by the Solas taking over Felassan's body idea, for sure. I'm also intrigued by the idea that (working off one of my theories of the 8th unknown god) this unknown god possibly pretended to be Fen'Harel to Felassan but wasn't really. That's how he got Felassan to cooperate, because he thought he was doing the work of Fen'Harel.

[SamanthaJ]

Why would Solas want to release the 'gods' if they're like Falon'Din or Andruil? I don't think he would unless there was a way to say cure Andruil from whatever was making her act the way she did. The only way I could see him wanting to release the 'gods' is if some of them aren't evil/insane. Maybe we're wrong about June, perhaps he's a reasonable sort and didn't do it all after all.

[Illyria]

This made me laugh more than it should have. xD

 

 

I feel your pain! This happened with me too! ;____;

 

I'm embarassed. I must be the only one in this thread who chooses function over fashion. Solas in my Lavellan playthrough looks like a carrot or a tangerine now in his bright orange battlemage armor.

 

I'll never use plaideweave again though...

 

My Lavellan makes that orange look good.  It took a bit of getting used to because I tend to favour dark colours but it's working.

[MWImexico]

Re; Felassan

 

Spoiler

It could be whatever god Felassan was bound to has more than one servant. Felassan comments that Briala 'wouldn't want to meet his people' somewhat ominously. That does suggest that there was more than him.

If we're working on the theory that there is another god at play, then I suspect Felassan may be bound to his service the same way that one can become bound to Mythal.

Nothing he does is actively against his master...but just enough to get away with it. He technically does find the Eluvians, but doesn't let Briala tell him the password.

 

Spoiler

That's possible too, I thought that Felassan meant to say "if it had been possible for you to meet them then..." as if now it's not possible anymore, but I don't remember well honestly

About the password, I don't know, if Felassan is bound to obey, his boss could have forced him to go back to Briala, right? Perhaps this God has the same ability as the spirits and he can read minds or perhaps the bound is not that reliable so he prefered to kill Felassan instead of taking the risk of being "betrayed" again?

[Abyss108]

Why would Solas want to release the 'gods' if they're like Falon'Din or Andruil? I don't think he would unless there was a way to say cure Andruil from whatever was making her act the way she did. The only way I could see him wanting to release the 'gods' is if some of them aren't evil/insane. Maybe we're wrong about June, perhaps he's a reasonable sort and didn't do it all after all.

 

I think he dislike the Gods, but see's the current situation as worse. He says something similar after you drink from the well where he talks about trying to make things better, but waking up one day to realise you made it worse.

[SamanthaJ]

I think he dislike the Gods, but see's the current situation as worse. He says something similar after you drink from the well where he talks about trying to make things better, but waking up one day to realise you made it worse.

I don't think he'd wake up someone like Falon'Din who wanted to wave his 'god' status around and butcher people to get more admirers, though. When you say you'd put things right "well, not exactly" Solas said he understood. He doesn't want things exactly like they were. I think there has to be some among the pantheon that aren't completely out of it, or perhaps there are other people like elves in uthenera trapped behind the mirror and Solas doesn't want to wake them to see the world they're in or something. He seems to care about the people referenced by Cole, and he shows no love for some of the 'gods'. 

[dragondreamer]

Spoiler

Before the game, I thought that maybe Fen'Harel had possessed Felassan, but now I think he just killed him.  Solas doesn't seem very corpse-y.  And Briala would have recognized him if he was running around in a Felassan suit.    Unless he can do Corypheus' trick...but I'm just gonna draw a line somewhere.

 

I'm on the fence about who exactly Solas is trying to free from behind the mirrors.  Maybe he's trying to release a trapped colony of ancient elves that aren't gods, but something feels off...  "if you're real, everyone could be real"...?  And the elven gods were the ones he sealed away, so that sounds more like what he's trying to undo.  I still can't figure out why, but there's still a lot of questions concerning why sealing the gods away resulted in such dramatic changes to the elves, and potentially the world itself. 

[Mims]

I think if there is another god working out in the wings somewhere, Solas may not be aware of it. So he could unintentionally be leading himself into a trap. 

 

I do think that one way or another, the elven gods are going to be freed. At least the bad ones. It seems like too much fodder they could use for future games as villains or side bosses. Or just mysterious entities working. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Solas has a noble intention, but that intention is unknowingly being manipulated both by Mythal [who wants revenge], and this unknown entity [who wants to be free.]