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[dragondreamer]

True, it probably isn't as simple as just releasing the gods. Or maybe they weren't as bad as the legends made them seem. The Fen'Harel legends aren't 100% true afterall. Cole said that he locked them away "to save them. Not to be right".

 

 

I think the line about being everyone being real, shows that he doesn't really view the modern people as real. When you go into the future, you can tell the other characters that that future "isn't real". Leiliana get's really angry about this, because she lived through that year. I think Solas see's the present in the same way. It wasn't how things were supposed to turn out, and he wants to restore the present to what it should be. He's really bad at not connecting to the current people, but he's trying too, because if they are real he has to accept that he's going to hurt a lot of people.

 

Considering the "real" statement comes from Cole's perspective, things get interesting when you compare it to another time he talks about someone being made "real".  He describes Pharamond being made "real" when he's cured of tranquility.  This makes me think that "real" to Solas is people having a connection to the Fade, like mages.  The Inquisitor is "real" because of the anchor possibly, among other things.  This also makes me think that his goal is to restore something about the old world state.  (The question of whether or not he wants the veil intact turns me in circles.)  Sort of like Sandal's prophecy about all the magic coming back and everyone going back to the way they were.  Back when all elves had magic, and were immortal.  If this is the goal, this is about more than simply any elves, god or otherwise, behind mirrors.  Why releasing them would be the key to his goal is another mystery.  But something certainly changed the elves and the world when he did what he did.  I have some suspicions, but I'm not sure how to reconcile it with his ideals and what he seems to be doing.  Unless he simply believes the current state of the world is worse than what came before.

 

 

I'd suspect that is Dalish art - given that all of the Dales used to belong to them it could possibly be a retelling of the Second Exalted March from the perspective of the Elves- after all we get the Chantry/Orlesian perspective from the monuments in the Exalted Plains why would the elves not seek to depict their version of events. This is one of the things I love about DA. There is his side, her side, and the truth somewhere in the middle of both of them. In the case of all three games it is trying to figure out what the truth is when presented with what the Chantry, the Grey Wardens, the Elves, the Humans, the mages, and everyone else in Thedas who doesn't give a $%%^$ about any of these groups says -- are claiming to be the truth. And the only people who actually know the truth are the writers until we reach the final game in the DA series.

 

Yeah, that's what I've figured.  But it's hard to say for certain anymore.

[Addai]

 

Understanding these words is the key. It's far too easy to accept the reference as "without the Pantheon, elves will become mortal".  With a respectful nod to Bioware's writers, that doesn't seem clever enough to be their intention.  Consider this instead: without the wise guidance of Falon'Din and Dirthamen, souls cannot find the path they were meant to take to their new life and wander, lost, washed of original identity- or like Sera, are reborn unknowing.  They literally lose what they should have been.  

 

What Mythal/Solas may be trying to do, and what part Morrigan might play in this.... still way too raw for speculation.  But there's something there.  ...right?  I'm not completely crazy? 

 

They did need guides to reach Uthenera. The Fade is not just a place or path, however- it was literally sustenance for those sleeping. Someone in Inquisition, maybe Solas, says that it's more a state of mind than a place.

[LliiraAnna]

He does 'slightly approve' if you pick the 'make the world better' option, though. So I don't think he has completely given up on the idea. Perhaps fixing past mistakes will make the world better in his vision.

And he thanks you for reminding him that there is always hope, if you pick certain dialogue options.

[Kimberly]

Question if you drink from the well, do you get a greatly disprove from Solas. I didn't on my only complete play through and was thinking of drinking on this one.

[zambixi]

They did need guides to reach Uthenera. The Fade is not just a place or path, however- it was literally sustenance for those sleeping. Someone in Inquisition, maybe Solas, says that it's more a state of mind than a place.

 

It'd be sort of interesting if Solas could teach Lavellan how to reach Uthenara. I bet that ability ties into the elves general immortality and affinity with magic as well. It could open up a path for her to be immortal with him if he were able to pass that information on.

[javeart]

Question if you drink from the well, do you get a greatly disprove from Solas. I didn't on my only complete play through and was thinking of drinking on this one.

 

I thinks it's only a disproves, not greatly disproves.

 

Btw, I need also a conspiracy theory for how is it possible that they didn't include a scene where Solas actually beggs you not to drink.    I can only think that they were trying to mislead us into drinking, secpially since he tells you someone should drink and after having showed such a lack of trust in Morrigan's intentions 

[madrar]

I'm intrigued by the Solas taking over Felassan's body idea, for sure. I'm also intrigued by the idea that (working off one of my theories of the 8th unknown god) this unknown god possibly pretended to be Fen'Harel to Felassan but wasn't really. That's how he got Felassan to cooperate, because he thought he was doing the work of Fen'Harel.

 

@w@

 

Whoa.  Imposter Fen'Harel was something I hadn't considered- but yeah, that would work.  I have a hard time believing the figure at the end of ME was him- first, accessing the eluvian network seems to be Solas' plan B, only necessary when the orb is shattered.  Second, whoever it is is interested enough in the passphrase to kill a servant who failed to give it to him, but completely ignores Brialla during Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts? 

 

Given how dismissive and unconcerned he is about her and the consequences of her place in Orlesian society, I can't imagine Solas had any idea about Brialla's critical connection to the eluvian network.  The meeting in the fade is almost certainly a herring: from what I can recall, it's certainly not restricted to Solas.  All the old gods could walk in the fade at will.  Honestly, Felassan's name might have been as well, given that even confirmed servants of gods (Abelas) seem able to choose their own at will.  It's possible he may have been (willingly or not) bound to a different god than the one from whom he chose his name.  

 

Then again, there are hints that Solas may be willing to sacrifice far more than we would imagine in pursuit of his goals.  Our understanding of where he draws that line is based on how he spent his time in the Inquisition, and his warning to Lavellan that "It is unfortunate, but we must be above suspicion to be seen as valued allies." certainly has a second layer of meaning in context.  He's been on his best behavior.  ("We all have a face we want to show, and a face we do not.")

 

The only thing that's clear is that whoever his actual master was, Felassan disagreed with his/her ultimate objectives and rebelled in the only way he could: by refusing to allow himself to be used.  

[Mims]

Oh hey, they posted the thing!

 

[TanisLave]

Question if you drink from the well, do you get a greatly disprove from Solas. I didn't on my only complete play through and was thinking of drinking on this one.

I drank from the well and It didn't do any real damage, but there is a missing Dialogue line from Solas, so he reacts kinda weirdly if you drink it. 

[Abyss108]

Considering the "real" statement comes from Cole's perspective, things get interesting when you compare it to another time he talks about someone being made "real".  He describes Pharamond being made "real" when he's cured of tranquility.  This makes me think that "real" to Solas is people having a connection to the Fade, like mages.  The Inquisitor is "real" because of the anchor possibly, among other things.  This also makes me think that his goal is to restore something about the old world state.  (The question of whether or not he wants the veil intact turns me in circles.)  Sort of like Sandal's prophecy about all the magic coming back and everyone going back to the way they were.  Back when all elves had magic, and were immortal.  If this is the goal, this is about more than simply any elves, god or otherwise, behind mirrors.  Why releasing them would be the key to his goal is another mystery.  But something certainly changed the elves and the world when he did what he did.  I have some suspicions, but I'm not sure how to reconcile it with his ideals and what he seems to be doing.  Unless he simply believes the current state of the world is worse than what came before.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's what I've figured.  But it's hard to say for certain anymore.

 

Ooooh interesting, I hadn't considered that! Definitely fits with the prophecy. But then an unromanced inquisitor would also be real... and if it's just the anchor, that doesn't imply that everyone else could be real...

[LliiraAnna]

I have Mythal. Well, as expected. 

[TanisLave]

I have Mythal. Well, as expected. 

Same, aw ye.

[Abyss108]

Oh hey, they posted the thing!

 

 

YEEEEEEEEEES~!   

I love this!

 

My Elf has Mythal, just as expected.

 

I wonder why some have more than the others...

[Ajna]

So I fired up my game and sat there for 5 mins just watching Solas' robe blow in the wind...the **** is up with me?

[nranola]

Okay, some of the Felassan talk has got me thinking...

 

Spoilers for The Masked Empire:

Spoiler

I'm down with the theory that Felassan was working for someone other than Fen'Harel. So if that's true, he's either secretly conspiring with Fen'Harel, or secretly rebelling against who he's working for... or both.

 

It's stated in the book that ever since Felassan took Briala in as an apprentice, he's told her stories about Fen'Harel constantly. That could be him planting the seed of rebellion within Briala, slowly, indirectly, over the years. Slow arrow indeed. Eventually Briala does rebel and takes control of all the eluvians in the process. Fen'Harel enansal.

 

Okay so the whole point of all that rambling was... Briala had Fen'Harel on the brain due to Felassan's gentle nudging over the years. Could Felassan - or more likely, Fen'Harel himself - have planned so far ahead to the point that he knew Briala was going to make the passcode Fen'Harel-related? Which then makes it easy for Solas to determine what the passcode is somewhere down the line, thus granting him access to all the eluvians?

[Mims]

Probably just variations on the tattoo style.

 

My girl is representing June! Because he's not going to represent himself apparently. 

[soragrey]

Spoiler

Felassan is the "slow arrow", which is Fen'Harel's weapon in the story.  Remember how Abelas named himself according to how he perceived himself?  As for the password, perhaps it's not needed for the crossroads (one wasn't needed in TME to pass into the pathways world between mirrors), but Briala gains a universal codeword for all mirrors.  And since Solas seems to want to free someones trapped behind mirrors, that suggests he can't access all eluvians.

 

Huh I guess they both named themselves based off their feels. Sorrow and Pride. And Solas told him later that he hoped he would find another name for himself (so, he hopes he feels better).

[javeart]

I already have lots of Lavellans, so I think I have weared them all  ... well, not really, "only" Mythal's, Sylaise's and Ghilan'nain's 

[Tielis]

Crap, I thought my male Lavellan had Dirthamen, not Falon'Din.  Well, here's to hoping that the geas apparently woven into the slave markings no longer works otherwise he's bound to be in trouble someday!

[madrar]

They did need guides to reach Uthenera. The Fade is not just a place or path, however- it was literally sustenance for those sleeping. Someone in Inquisition, maybe Solas, says that it's more a state of mind than a place.

 

Hmm.   I'd kill to track down that quote.  

 

Re: the fade and sustenance, I definitely think it's interesting that Cole's progression to mortality seems to be an inverse mirror of elvhen Uthenera.  He draws on the fade to sustain himself just as the perfected ones did- "the old songs can pull" him.   The elves seemed to be working toward gaining an almost fully spiritual existence, while spirits work toward gaining a mortal one.  

 

As Dorian says,  "That's something. I don't know what, but it's something."

 

 

_{^{Also, catching up on this thread is like trying to run up a down escalator.  =w=  I keep thinking I'm making progress, then I look up, and I'm another 10 pages behind.}}  

[Sine_Amore]

Elgar'nan alternate, of course. VENGEANCE

 

And also the Sun

[Mims]

Crap, I thought my male Lavellan had Dirthamen, not Falon'Din.  Well, here's to hoping that the geas apparently woven into the slave markings no longer works otherwise he's bound to be in trouble someday!

 

If we do face an evil elven god, I intend fully to change my markings to that god for maximum irony. 

[nranola]

Oh hey, they posted the thing!

 

 

Bringing this up to the next page. 

 

My Lavellan has Mythal, but that's barely a surprise since we had a whole temple of evidence for it. It's pretty cool to finally have an official post on this though!

[Mims]

Elgar'nan alternate, of course. VENGEANCE

 

And also the Sun

 

Only a tiny bit ominous.