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But I really do like June's marking, and probably won't change it unless delicious plot irony gets to be too great. Perhaps she always liked the idea of having that sort of creative control over your life. June allegedly 'created' himself. I could see her feeling driven to forge her own way. Or perhaps, her family were crafters and she chose June to honor them. 

 

I went with the alternate June one for aesthetics too, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense for my quizzy.  She's an artificer and I gave her all custom armor and weapons, so she literally lives or dies on the strength of what she crafts.  Also, June seems like one of the less bat**** gods; my Lavellan removed her vallaslin and never put too much stock in Dalish myths, but I think a part of her is still secretly glad she didn't have Andruil or Falon'Din's markings on her face.


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Interesting that both June and Ghilan'nain seem to have white faces in the mosaics. Might not mean anything...


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I'm telling you, us who don June's Vallaslin are all in for a heap of trouble.  He's bound to be the silent killer we've all been waiting for.  ;)

 

Theory time!

 

- June is the god of crafts and supposedly taught the elves to make bows and knives

 

- The arulin'holm in DA2 is supposedly an ancient knife with magical powers that dates back to Arlathan

 

- There's some kind of ominous twist to all the elven gods

 

- We're pretty sure he's some kind of silent killer

 

- Ergo, June is the inventor of the original MURDERKNIFE

 

Be afraid. Be very afraid.


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#47729
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I still think the "real" comment is just a feeling thing. Partly because it's just too similar to how the inquisitor can react in the future! It's the same sentiment, dismissing other people as not "real" because it's not the way you need things to be.

 

And also because we will have a new protagonist next game, so I don't think the inquisitor can be THAT special on top of what they already have.

 

let me live in denial and keep my inky forever. 



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Oh hey, they posted the thing!

 

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And there really is no Fen'Harel Vallaslin!


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#47731
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Afternoon to all,

 

The Dedicated to Solas chat is lively today.  Feel free to join anytime. 

 

Invitation is extended to all with Solas heartbreak  (Open 24/7 for heartache support):

 

http://us20.chatzy.com/16531445744795

 

Password: lavellan



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- Ergo, June is the inventor of the original MURDERKNIFE

 

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

!!!!! 



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My first elf has Sylaise! Which I like!

 

My "canon" (new one for nightmare mode and completionist) has full Mythal.

 

I wish my work didn't block chat or else I'd pop in to see all the Solas Fuss!



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For some reason I get a Howl's moving castle vibe from Solas, and or Ergo Proxy. 

 

random I know, just throwing that out here. 


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Probably no Fen'harel because of what he meant to the Dalish. Why would they keep his vallaslin when they believe what they do about him? He probably did have it at one time.

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Why would Fen'harel have a Vallaslin when he hated slavery/restriction of freedom so much? Seems kinda strange. 



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So Laurelin has indeed Dirthamen's vallaslin as planned.Good,I thought I might have chosen Falon'Din's for a moment and that would be totally OOC for her.

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I still think the "real" comment is just a feeling thing. Partly because it's just too similar to how the inquisitor can react in the future! It's the same sentiment, dismissing other people as not "real" because it's not the way you need things to be.

 

And also because we will have a new protagonist next game, so I don't think the inquisitor can be THAT special on top of what they already have.

 

I used to think it was just about "real" elves versus modern elves, as far as Solas is concerned.  But listening more to Cole, I don't think that's what it is anymore.  Considering mages are also "real" in the way I'm theorizing here, I think this is about Solas trying to restore the old world state prior to the veil as it exists in current Thedas.  Even if this isn't resolved in DA:I DLC, the Inquisitor isn't likely to be needed as a future PC for Solas to continue whatever he's trying to do.  If he's going to be a future antagonist, he may be someone else's antagonist.


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#47739
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Why would Fen'harel have a Vallaslin when he hated slavery/restriction of freedom so much? Seems kinda strange. 

 

He may have had vallaslin associated with him at one point.  He might not always have been the god of rebellion.


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Theory time!

 

- June is the god of crafts and supposedly taught the elves to make bows and knives

 

- The arulin'holm in DA2 is supposedly an ancient knife with magical powers that dates back to Arlathan

 

- There's some kind of ominous twist to all the elven gods

 

- We're pretty sure he's some kind of silent killer

 

- Ergo, June is the inventor of the original MURDERKNIFE

 

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

 

Whoa, this reminded me of the conversation you have with Solas regarding blood magic.  If you say that it doesn't take slave sacrifice to create a dagger, Solas says something like "it depends on the dagger".


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Hmm.   I'd kill to track down that quote.

I think it's in his dialogue about how the Veil needs to be torn down, which I've only gotten on my human character. It's cruel that we miss out on juicy Solas stuff by having his approval too high. But no Fade tongue, so.
 

As Dorian says,  "That's something. I don't know what, but it's something."

LOL

The somniari seem to be people who can find their way in the Fade without a guide. This would make them threatening to a god who wants to control people. Alternatively, they could easily set themselves up as gods, especially if your altnerative to their guidance is being reduced to a mortal life and being shut off from eternal life. And can you imagine a war that takes place not just on battlefields, but in dreams, with somniari able to strike a blow on enemies by manipulating the Fade?

It's also interesting that the somniari we know about are humans or elf-blooded humans.

A while back when we were discussing spheres and foci, I mentioned the four spheres in Solas' hermit tarot and how I wondered if it represented the two orbs (his and Mythal's) and their mirror images in the Fade. The Fade reflects the physical world, after all, and there would need to be two keys for an eluvian, one that opens from the physical side and one from the other side. I wonder if the elven gods and Tevinter gods are mirror images of each other- one more tied to the physical and the other to the Fade- and somehow in the chaos some of them got mixed up and trapped in each other's realms, so that they always appear to be at war even if they're twins. There's a story of the first somniari that he was ferried across a river by a hooded figure who, when he looked back, turned out to be himself. Flemeth said she took a piece of herself and cast it adrift in the gem she gave Hawke. If you're sending pieces of yourself around, what happens when one gets lost and goes rogue, even turning on you should you meet it again?

Crazy talk, I know.
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#47742
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Why would Fen'harel have a Vallaslin when he hated slavery/restriction of freedom so much? Seems kinda strange. 

 

Right, wouldn't he not have Vallaslin because he never had Slaves?  Or turned away from Slavery long enough before the Fall that no one was using his markings?



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And there really is no Fen'Harel Vallaslin!

 

I noticed that, too!

 

Oops!  Edit for tops and because Solas and Lavellan make for some bada** dragonslayers:

 

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let me live in denial and keep my inky forever. 

 

Aww, I wanna keep my inky too.  :crying:

 

On the bright side, since Solas repeatedly said she would find out what was going on, I definitely think we're going to get more significant content with her dealing with this knowledge!

 

I used to think it was just about "real" elves versus modern elves, as far as Solas is concerned.  But listening more to Cole, I don't think that's what it is anymore.  Considering mages are also "real" in the way I'm theorizing here, I think this is about Solas trying to restore the old world state prior to the veil as it exists in current Thedas.  Even if this isn't resolved in DA:I DLC, the Inquisitor isn't likely to be needed as a future PC for Solas to continue whatever he's trying to do.  If he's going to be a future antagonist, he may be someone else's antagonist.

 

Yeah, I think it's got a lot to do with magic. Specifically the old magic when "everyone sang the same".

 

I still don't think he's gonna be an antagonist in a future game though. Maybe in a DLC, but I think the main problem is going to be dealing with whatever it is he unleashes, rather than dealing with him specifically!


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#47745
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This is what Fen'Harel vallaslin looks like:

 

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Get it, because there is... no... vallaslin...

 

...I should go.


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This is what Fen'Harel vallaslin looks like:

 

DragonAgeInquisition2014-12-0617-30-04-9

 

Get it, because there is... no... vallaslin...

 

...I should go.

 

okay

 

your Inky is really adorable, staph


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#47747
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He may have had vallaslin associated with him at one point.  He might not always have been the god of rebellion.

 

It makes me wonder what's up with this stone tablet. This is the Statue of Fen'Harel in the Temple of Mythal. Check out the vallaslin-esque design:

 

fen_harel_symbol.jpg

 

Also, have a vallaslin-less Mikayla (finally). Broke her heart yesterday, so weeeeeeeeeeeeee...

 

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#47748
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I think this is very true. He's also spent most of his time, possibly thousands of years, asleep. Everything must feel sort of...off. Not real. Nothing he knows is what it is supposed to be. If you look at the Exalted Plains, you really get the sense of the world as we know it being somewhat post-apocalyptic for anyone who remembered the greatness of the old days. Just endless ruins and graves. 

 

I don't think he views the time itself as being unreal, since he can't travel through time. But I think he may have originally given the orb over to Corypheus with the thought that so many people had already died, what difference did a few more make? Especially if what he intended to do would fix things. 

 

I do suspect that "realness" to Solas is a matter of being... uh, for lack of a better word, literally "dimensional" within the game.

 

If banter with Cole is to be taken literally, Solas' connection to the fade represents a significant distinction between him and most mortals of Thedas. He exists fully in both places- he inhabits a dimension they do not.   

 

It's... like 2D vs 3D.   Not to get too meta, but in a way Solas' initial attraction to Lavellan is a lot like ours to him.  He's fantastic, he's incredible, but at the end of the day, he's not really real, like we are.  She is his Waifu, and he's willing to lose himself in the fantasy because hey, why not?  It doesn't hurt anyone.  His instincts are still compassionate, (just like we might choose to save a Druffalo, even knowing it's just a few paragraphs of code), but his obligations to these "shadows" and the depth of his connection to them is necessarily limited.

 

It doesn't map entirely of course, but let's say someone had a hostage at gunpoint and threatened violence unless we logged in and let Solas die repeatedly to a Hinterlands bear.  Would anyone hesitate?  We might feel a teeny twinge of guilt while we did it, but there's no real question that we would.  Because real.  

 

Of course, in-game, at least, this dimensionality is (potentially) restorable, which complicates things.  It's more like... having to make the choice to sacrifice him with the knowledge that if you didn't he might, eventually become real.  Much harder decision. He's not, but he could be.  

 

And of course, in Lavellan's case, she already is.  As Cole points out, she's even brighter than Solas is, present in both dimensions in game, as well as outside it (3D us whoo) and eventually Solas realizes this as well.  His myopic focus on the orb, goals, and duty prevents him from seeing this in a non-Lavellan Inquisitor, but she forces him to look.  


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#47749
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Here's a better picture of Mythals mosaic at the Temple of sacred ashes

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http://dragonage.wik...does_it_happen?

 

It looks like those stones were purposely put there to cover it?

Maybe it was originally an elven Temple too or something? :huh:



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I'm sure some of you have watched this already, but this is how I imagine Solas to be when he really lets go. NSFW, Kinky stuff

 

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