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That's what some people proposed were Fen'Harel's vallaslin on tumblr. Patrick said he didn't think Fen'Harel had vallasin but that he would check with the artist because "maybe yes then." I don't think he knows for sure. But someone on here pointed out that the thing on the tablet up there was also on doors in Valammar.

 

Well, that just makes it curiouser and curiouser.

 

Valammar an old elven stomping grounds underground or link of elves and dwarves interacting?


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Man, there's a lot of screenshots of THAT scene in these past few pages. Which leads me to, yes, I just did write a (comedic, cracky) post-breakup fanfic which features Angry!Lavellan stomping around Skyhold and denying that she is angry.  SFW, appearances by most of the companions/advisers.  You can read it here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3123935


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While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?  :unsure:

 

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

 

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, values, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

 

So, what'd you choose and why?


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My Lavellan chose to have them removed, but I will definitely do other playthroughs were she keeps them.

 

Basically after everything she had learned and her head over heels heart is compeltely gone love for Solas means she gives anything he says or does a lot of weight...

 

so while it was a harsh reaction at first, she believes him about them, and knowing that, she has to have him remove them...and she thinks its what he wants too so that only reinforces it for her.


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Solas spoke very little about WHY he loves Lavellan. So in your opinion, what does he love about Lavellan?

 

For my part, considering I play hunter Lavellan,

 

I believe initially he is impressed of what she accomplished as a modern elf, without magic or power or great politic finesse. Then he falls for her because she can make the tough decisions, she accepts her mistakes and is genuinely sorry for them, she believes in the future, she is open minded without being naive, she wants change but respects tradition.

 

Also shes a cutie, that always helps :)

 

I also believe what stopped him from staying with her is that he wasnt ready to accept the elves for what they are today, he misses what they were too much and cant trully love her without coming to term with that.

 

...well thats enough talking about me ...


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Well Lavellan is no slouch. She became what the somniari were, or something like it, by either accident or her own audacious perseverance- however you choose to see it. She took in the power of a god and not only didn't lose herself, she mastered it and turned it around on itself. And if Solas has approved of her, it means she's done all this without yet succumbing to the temptations of power and greed. She can do at will what it took the Tevinter magisters most of the lyrium in their kingdom and the blood of hundreds of slaves to accomplish. Since Solas is shocked at this, it must be something he didn't think his orb could do. That might be because it was supercharged by the sacrifice of the Divine? Something which is rarely mentioned in discussions of the mark.

I have a lot of questions about Solas, of course, but I hope the DLC also answers some questions about who or what the Inquisitor is.

 

The Inquisitor in general probably became proto-elf, in a way. Having a significant portion of power from the Orb -created by elves who were all innately magical and able to master the Fade like spirits - attached to their being gives the Inquisitor a special connection to the Fade that no other human or modern elf has. Technically dwarf too, but d!Inquisitor is the only dwarf who can dream.

 

Given the Fade scene with Solas, they are partially lucid while dreaming, can change the setting of dreams (transition from Skyhold to Haven), and may even be able to do other elfy things that we never got to see in the game.

If another person were to get orbed like the Inquisitor, would they also gain that Fade connection? Is it mostly because blood sacrifice gave it the power to do so, or would all foci belonging to elven gods empower anyone bonded to them?



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If the temple was a place of power, and Andraste's Ashes were stored there, was it the Ashes that were magical so they could cure Arl Eamon, or was it the place they were stored infusing the ashes through some kind of burned blood magic ritual or something?

 

Or was it because Andraste was possessed by Mythal, and so it was really the power of Mythal that saved Arl Eamon, and then is there still significance to them being in the Temple of Sacred Ashes....

 

 

OR....what about the Knight/Monk who allegedly brought the ashes there?  What if that story is false, and it was Solas, who knew Andraste was possessed by Mythal, who brough her ashes to a sacred place to rest?  Or was he asleep then, since he is supposed to have been a sleep for a long damn time...

 

And if you defiled the ashes does that mean you basically told Mythal to go F*** herself?  

 

And did the ashes of Andraste have anything to do with how Mythal got into Flemeth?  

 

 

and...or...and...or...and....or......

 

does not compute....

 

*brain breaks*

Work with me here:

 

Andraste=Mythal.

Andrythal (haha) is murdered. Her spirit finds Flemmeth.  Ashes are …well maybe some kind of a ritual to Mythal or maybe just symbolic. Flemythal guards temple or maybe just comes to check on it occasionally. Entire Andraste ritual is a phoney put in place by Mythal to protect the true identity of the temple and the true identity of those involved or ….

I don’t know. I’m getting a headache. Lol.



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Well Lavellan is no slouch. She became what the somniari were, or something like it, by either accident or her own audacious perseverance- however you choose to see it. She took in the power of a god and not only didn't lose herself, she mastered it and turned it around on itself. And if Solas has approved of her, it means she's done all this without yet succumbing to the temptations of power and greed. She can do at will what it took the Tevinter magisters most of the lyrium in their kingdom and the blood of hundreds of slaves to accomplish. Since Solas is shocked at this, it must be something he didn't think his orb could do. That might be because it was supercharged by the sacrifice of the Divine? Something which is rarely mentioned in discussions of the mark.

I have a lot of questions about Solas, of course, but I hope the DLC also answers some questions about who or what the Inquisitor is.

 

There's still that issue with the Divine being the sacrifice, isn't it? I wonder if the sacrifice had to be her for some special reason, or if she merely was in the wrong place at the wrong time while Corypheus was prepping the ritual. That, plus all this business with the elven mosaics in the rubble... So many mysteries.

 

I agree though, we should learn what the mark has essentially turned the Inquisitor into. The mark is rather tied into Solas's business so I'll be surprised if it isn't brought up in a Solas-centric DLC.



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Work with me here:

 

Andraste=Mythal.

Andrythal (haha) is murdered. Her spirit finds Flemmeth.  Ashes are …well maybe some kind of a ritual to Mythal or maybe just symbolic. Flemythal guards temple or maybe just comes to check on it occasionally. Entire Andraste ritual is a phoney put in place by Mythal to protect the true identity of the temple and the true identity of those involved or ….

I don’t know. I’m getting a headache. Lol.

Or maybe...Flemeth is Andraste?  Since Flemeth is human and all, and she was betrayed by her husband the way Andraste was betrayed.  But for a different reason?  And she, uh, survived her cremation?

 

Maybe not.  Ach, nvm. o_O


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#47785
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The vallaslin chart came out! :D

 

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OHH MY GOD YESSJSLJ DYES YES DPELWF;K

 

THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME


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Oh by the way if someone else wants a headache :

 

Spoiler


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While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?  :unsure:

 

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

 

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

 

So, what'd you choose and why?

 

Yeah, my Lavellan kept her vallaslin for the same reasons.  I actually wasn't sure which vallaslin she had, but the Mythal vallaslin ended up being rather appropriate since she drank from the well and everything. 



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Andrythal sounds like a sedative...


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Work with me here:

 

Andraste=Mythal.

Andrythal (haha) is murdered. Her spirit finds Flemmeth.  Ashes are …well maybe some kind of a ritual to Mythal or maybe just symbolic. Flemythal guards temple or maybe just comes to check on it occasionally. Entire Andraste ritual is a phoney put in place by Mythal to protect the true identity of the temple and the true identity of those involved or ….

I don’t know. I’m getting a headache. Lol.

 

But then what exactly gives the ashes the power to cure Arl Eamon?  and why would they have that power?



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Oh by the way if someone else wants a headache :

 

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Wasn't Trydda's lover a woman?



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Wasn't Trydda's lover a woman?

I heard that was confirmed in a tweet by the writer of it being a woman


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Wasn't Trydda's lover a woman?

 

Nah. She just couldn't tell it was a man because of the loose hobo clothing and unwashed dreads. Chaste relationship and all that.

 

Or it could have been Mythal. 



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It makes me wonder what's up with this stone tablet. This is the Statue of Fen'Harel in the Temple of Mythal. Check out the vallaslin-esque design:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Am I the only one that thinks it looks a little like inverted Kirkwall heraldry?

 

But then what exactly gives the ashes the power to cure Arl Eamon?  and why would they have that power?

 

If you take Oghren with you for the Sacred Ashes quest in DAO, he says there's a ton of lyrium there and that could be where the ashes get their power.

 

Wasn't Trydda's lover a woman?

 

Yup

 

Top of page Solas (blinked when I try to screencap him, the jerk):

 

Spoiler

 


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It's surrounded by elven skeletons. Execution for guilty verdict + Mythal representing justice?
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I believe that bottom image is Falon'Din's Champion dressed in her armor. Perhaps Anduril donning her armor of the void, maybe she and Falon'Din were lovers.

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vallaslin chart added to OP



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Wasn't Trydda's lover a woman?

 

No idea.I managed to understand he or she was an elf.

Anyway the whole tale is so strange , I wonder if it's not a patchwork of different tales with some bad translation going on.

 

Also :

 

Spoiler

 

I know it's just some random concept art , but I don't get it.



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Am I the only one that thinks it looks a little like inverted Kirkwall heraldry?

 

 

I thought that too. I don't think that design is elven, even if it is intended to be something elven. They are just reusing assets there. 



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If you take Oghren with you for the Sacred Ashes quest in DAO, he says there's a ton of lyrium there and that could be where the ashes get their power.

 

 

 

Lyrium..which is now red Lyrium.....

 

Sacrificing the Divine at a Mythal place of power with TONS of Lyrium....with a powerful ORB to try and open the Fade and ascend to the Black City....

 

Maybe the place, the Lyirum, and the ORB took the place of the quantity of the blood sacrifice (Like at Kirkwall where they seeminly slaughter so many slaves for the blood sacrifice,possibly in another attempt to reach the black city or something else in the fade??) but you still need some blood, so the Divine was just a poetic symbolic blood sacrifice...or does the Divine actually have power from somewhere?

 

and it all becomes corrupted only because its a Dark Spawn that does it? Or because he actually opens the fade and the corruption comes out of the rift?



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I believe that bottom image is Falon'Din's Champion dressed in her armor. Perhaps Anduril donning her armor of the void, maybe she and Falon'Din were lovers.

 

Hmm, they do both have that owl thing going on, don't they...



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Nah. She just couldn't tell it was a man because of the loose hobo clothing and unwashed dreads. Chaste relationship and all that.
 
Or it could have been Mythal.

 
I'm on the "Lady of the Skies = Mythal = Flemeth" wagon: she a) protects people from treachery; b ) lives on a mountain with dragons; c) orchestrates the birth of Tyrdda's daughter who becomes Morrigan's ancestor. Sounds legit.
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