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#47801
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I thought that too. I don't think that design is elven, even if it is intended to be something elven. They are just reusing assets there. 

 

Well one of the constellation is a sword of mercy , you're told it's an old symbol way older than the templar order.

If I remember correctly it's a symbol of death penalty or something.


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While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?  :unsure:

 

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

 

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, values, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

 

So, what'd you choose and why?

 

The beauty of that scene is that there's really no right or wrong about it. It completely depends on how your outlook; everyone's reasons are completely valid!  :D

 

For Eisyrill, there was definitely some hesitation. The dialogue nails it perfectly: "These marks have been part of me for so long. I don't know if..." The vallaslin was an important part of Dalish culture and has been a source of pride for her. But, at that point it was starting to truly sink in that there were many things that her people had gotten wrong. Removing the vallaslin, in her mind, was a step towards moving forward with clearer eyes. It was also her way of giving a part of herself to Solas and showing him how much she trusts him.


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#47803
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The vallaslin chart came out! :D
 

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Is this official or fan made?
...if it is all official, I guessed right!
I headcanoned that my vallaslin was Dirthamen's and the chart says it is :D *does happy dance* yay! I was worried I'd accidentally chosen Andr(needs to keep her grubby paws of Solas)uils!
Yay!
And nice to see you back on the thread Solas!
*_* I've missed you. Now when will you be returning to my Lavellan?
And 1900+ pages! Yay again! The thread is awesome!
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#47804
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But then what exactly gives the ashes the power to cure Arl Eamon?  and why would they have that power?

 

 

Uh...

 

enchantment?


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#47805
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I swear, I'm gonna start seeing Mythal in all significant female figures in Thedas's history now.  :blink: Girl gets around!


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#47807
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I do suspect that "realness" to Solas is a matter of being... uh, for lack of a better word, literally "dimensional" within the game.

If banter with Cole is to be taken literally, Solas' connection to the fade represents a significant distinction between him and most mortals of Thedas. He exists fully in both places- he inhabits a dimension they do not.

It's... like 2D vs 3D. Not to get too meta, but in a way Solas' initial attraction to Lavellan is a lot like ours to him. He's fantastic, he's incredible, but at the end of the day, he's not really real, like we are. She is his Waifu, and he's willing to lose himself in the fantasy because hey, why not? It doesn't hurt anyone. His instincts are still compassionate, (just like we might choose to save a Druffalo, even knowing it's just a few paragraphs of code), but his obligations to these "shadows" and the depth of his connection to them is necessarily limited.

It doesn't map entirely of course, but let's say someone had a hostage at gunpoint and threatened violence unless we logged in and let Solas die repeatedly to a Hinterlands bear. Would anyone hesitate? We might feel a teeny twinge of guilt while we did it, but there's no real question that we would. Because real.

Of course, in-game, at least, this dimensionality is (potentially) restorable, which complicates things. It's more like... having to make the choice to sacrifice him with the knowledge that if you didn't he might, eventually become real. Much harder decision. He's not, but he could be.

And of course, in Lavellan's case, she already is. As Cole points out, she's even brighter than Solas is, present in both dimensions in game, as well as outside it (3D us whoo) and eventually Solas realizes this as well. His myopic focus on the orb, goals, and duty prevents him from seeing this in a non-Lavellan Inquisitor, but she forces him to look.


I LOVE THIS THEORY. It's like Flatland but at least in this tale the inquisitor is able to transcend dimensions. That makes a relationship or romance with Solas to be so much more special, because by all accounts it should be impossible.

#47808
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Man, there's a lot of screenshots of THAT scene in these past few pages. Which leads me to, yes, I just did write a (comedic, cracky) post-breakup fanfic which features Angry!Lavellan stomping around Skyhold and denying that she is angry.  SWF, appearances by most of the companions/advisers.  You can read it here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3123935

 

Hahahahaha

I've read a few lines and I'm already cracking up.


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While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?  :unsure:

 

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

 

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, values, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

 

So, what'd you choose and why?

 

 

Mine kept hers too. Vallaslin being slave markings implies at lot of unpleasant things abut Arlathan and it gives her stuff to think about post break-up but when he made the offer she remembered growing up wanting her vallaslin, which one she'd choose and why. As First she's learnt how create them and listened as others explained why they wanted theirs. Dalish vallaslin aren't Arlathan vallaslin the reason for them is different.  


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Lyrium..which is now red Lyrium.....

 

Sacrificing the Divine at a Mythal place of power with TONS of Lyrium....with a powerful ORB to try and open the Fade and ascend to the Black City....

 

Maybe the place, the Lyirum, and the ORB took the place of the quantity of the blood sacrifice (Like at Kirkwall where they seeminly slaughter so many slaves for the blood sacrifice,possibly in another attempt to reach the black city or something else in the fade??) but you still need some blood, so the Divine was just a poetic symbolic blood sacrifice...or does the Divine actually have power from somewhere?

 

and it all becomes corrupted only because its a Dark Spawn that does it? Or because he actually opens the fade and the corruption comes out of the rift?

That's a good point,  But all the people that were there, why can't they be added into the mix as blood sacrifices?



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Uh...

 

enchantment?

 

ENCHANTMENT!!!!!!

 

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#47812
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Re: Draconis.

Maybe this unknown 8th god is Felassan's mysterious boss. Maybe this God is the big bad. Maybe he's not even on Solas radar because maybe he thinks he's dead already but he wasn't dead but has been biding his time all these years or was somehow thought dead but was in unethera.

Just spending my lunch break throwing out crazy theories. This is my normal now.

I haven't read The Masked Empire ,but I know what happens to Felassan. It's a very tangled mess , people seem quite sure that Solas killed him. I'm not, although I don't think it's beyond him. I feel like the whole Felassan murder mystery is a knot that if untangled will unravel alot of serious plot. Too bad they don't have detectives or something...Ugh DA Y U SO Middle Ages!

Also it makes me feel uneasy how Pottermore decided 3-4 years ago to give me DraconisWolf as a username... :ph34r:


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#47813
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@Removing the vallaslin;

 

My Lavellan did not. She could have. By the time Solas offers it to her, her clan has been destroyed and she knows in some small part of herself that she'll never be able to leave the larger world and go back to the wood again. I think, had Solas framed the removal of the vallaslin in a more pragmatic way, she might have agreed. Or at least thought about it.

 

But putting it into the context of slavery, and the idea that its just another thing her people got wrong... I don't think she would agree with Solas on that point. Whatever it meant back then is not what it meant to her. She worked hard for those markings. They once meant something to her. She certainly doesn't feel as though she is a slave. I think she is even emboldened by the idea- that anyone, even Solas, who deemed to look at her as a slave would come to regret it. She's proud of her people. They have been wrong about many things, but they are survivors. And so is she. 

 

I also think a part of her has figured out that Solas is probably an ancient elf. And by not going along with his request, she felt as though she was standing her ground and making sure he wasn't attempting to just mold her into what he thought she should be. [So when he broke it off, she took it personally.] 

 

Not that that's the only right answer, mind you. That's just how my Lavellan saw it and why she would continue to wear the marking even with her clan gone and no plans to return back to the old ways. 


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Uh...

 

enchantment?

 

Or is it NOT Enchantment? :P 


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There's not much to read about him, I'm afraid. From the codexes:

 

Draconis: Called "High Dragon" in common parlance, the constellation Draconis is always depicted by a dragon in flight. Recently, it has come into question whether this was the case in the ancient Imperium. Most Tevinter dragon imagery was reserved for the Old Gods, so why would they dedicate a constellation to dragons in general when specific dragons were held in such reverence? This speculation is fueled by older drawings showing Draconis as more serpentine in appearance, perhaps depicting a sea creature or an unknown eighth Old God that was stricken from historical record.

 

 

Perhaps Draconis represents the follower of Dirthamen who took the divine power?

 

While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?  :unsure:

 

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

 

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, values, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

 

So, what'd you choose and why?

 

Terrwyn, at that point, no longer considers herself Dalish. She always wanted to learn more about her people, and the truth mattered to her more than the ignorant stability the Dalish were content with. (These are her thoughts, not mine. She is a harsh critic to others, and more-so herself.) She believes that in order for her people to move on and rebuild, they must make peace with the truth of their history instead of wild stories. So, she had them removed. Besides...she is the last remaining Lavellan; removing the vallaslin was a way to bring closure to a tragic incident. 

 

Elgar'Asha - or Ash - will keep hers. In my headcanon, she and Terrwyn are twins. In one universe, Terrwyn is sent away. In another, Ash is sent. Ash was never big on ceremony, but the vallaslin means something different to her people now. By all means seek the truth and learn, but don't abandon new traditions to achieve it. 

 

The two would get in a fight over their decision on the matter, but in the end look at each other, and resolve to make things better for their people. 



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While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?  :unsure:

 

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

 

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, values, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

 

So, what'd you choose and why?

 

Personally, I do believe the vallaslin have a different meaning now. The one the Dalish gave to them when they 'retook' them as a cultural rite of adulthood. I think my Lavellan is wearing June's vallaslin. Shes a crafter, a builder, and the Inquisition is he biggest 'crafting' achievement.

 

But as par of the story, I had Solas remove them because of the emotional moment. She definitly felt bad afterwards, because she did it out of love and not out of thinking. But it will be for the better because she wants to unite the elves in her own way. So she eventually comes to term with what she did.


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That's a good point,  But all the people that were there, why can't they be added into the mix as blood sacrifices?

 

Well they can too, but would they make a major difference and how would Corphy know exactly who all was there.  He would have to KNOW he had enough, if not more than enough, power to conduct the ritual.  Which maybe the ORB provided that...so it didn't matter who was sacrificed and the Divine was just symbolic.

 

I just think in the grand magical equation of 1GORB + (XLyrium x Corruption) + Blood Magic = Anchor to BLACK CITY GODHOOD a couple dozen mages and templars really isn't important.



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My Lavellan removes them but I play her as becoming detached from Dalish culture anyways. She wants to start fresh after everything that she learned and that happened during Inquisition. She doesn't feel like she can truly go back to her clan as a Dalish elf after everything, even before the whole vallaslin thing. She sees the elves as a whole differently now and feels they should be united more than ever.


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I had Solas remove my Lavellan's. At that point, it seems like just another thing that history got wrong for her.  She had seen so much, experienced so much that was new to her. Everything is different now. Why hold on to a part of the lie, a part of her past life she'll never go back to, a past life she doesn't want to go back to? Plus, Solas magic hands...


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Man, there's a lot of screenshots of THAT scene in these past few pages. Which leads me to, yes, I just did write a (comedic, cracky) post-breakup fanfic which features Angry!Lavellan stomping around Skyhold and denying that she is angry.  SWF, appearances by most of the companions/advisers.  You can read it here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3123935

 

OMG, this is beautiful and I am dead.

 

My highlights:

 

“In your pants shall burn an unquenchable flame,” Dorian intoned.

 

“OH.  HIM.  I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT HIM BECAUSE I THINK OF NOTHING BUT DEFEATING CORYPHEUS.  IS HE STILL LURKING IN HIS STUPID LITTLE ROOM MAKING HIS STUPID LITTLE FINGERPAINTINGS?  I WOULDN’T KNOW.”  

 

*dead*


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My Lavellan removes them but I play her as becoming detached from Dalish culture anyways. She wants to start fresh after everything that she learned and that happened during Inquisition. She doesn't feel like she can truly go back to her clan as a Dalish elf after everything, even before the whole vallaslin thing. She sees the elves as a whole differently now and feels they should be united more than ever.

 

This plus she felt that it was time to stop looking to the past for answers (Solas Greatly Disapproves).


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OMG, this is beautiful and I am dead.

 

My highlights:

 

“In your pants shall burn an unquenchable flame,” Dorian intoned.

 

“OH.  HIM.  I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT HIM BECAUSE I THINK OF NOTHING BUT DEFEATING CORYPHEUS.  IS HE STILL LURKING IN HIS STUPID LITTLE ROOM MAKING HIS STUPID LITTLE FINGERPAINTINGS?  I WOULDN’T KNOW.”  

 

*dead*

 

Ok, I'm gonna read this now...


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#47823
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Well they can too, but would they make a major difference and how would Corphy know exactly who all was there.  He would have to KNOW he had enough, if not more than enough, power to conduct the ritual.  Which maybe the ORB provided that...so it didn't matter who was sacrificed and the Divine was just symbolic.

 

I just think in the grand magical equation of 1GORB + (XLyrium x Corruption) + Blood Magic = Anchor to BLACK CITY GODHOOD a couple dozen mages and templars really isn't important.

 

There could be something there. In the NA interview, Weekes said that Leliana has a lot in common with Corypheus because they are both hardcore believers who then got burned. Corypheus mentions walking into the Golden City and seeing that it was black, and the seat of the Maker empty. In his madness he brought it upon himself to take the role of the Maker pretty much.

 

So, knowing this, maybe Corypheus believed that the sacrifice for what he was about to do had to be the holiest of the holy. And this is where poor Divine Justinia comes in.


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So, knowing this, maybe Corypheus believed that the sacrifice for what he was about to do had to be the holiest of the holy. And this is where poor Divine Justinia comes in.

 

Not only that, but there's also the sort of daring angle of- 'if there was a Maker, surely the Maker would intercede for the Divine.' Using her as the catalyst is both confirming his opinion that the Maker doesn't exist, and brazenly rubbing his power in the Maker's face if he does. 


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Man, there's a lot of screenshots of THAT scene in these past few pages. Which leads me to, yes, I just did write a (comedic, cracky) post-breakup fanfic which features Angry!Lavellan stomping around Skyhold and denying that she is angry.  SWF, appearances by most of the companions/advisers.  You can read it here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3123935

 

OMG I'M CRYING!

 

Edit: No seriously I CAN'T BREATHE! I HAVE ASTHMA!


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