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The way Zathrien's lines curl and stuff makes me think of Elgar'nan. There's also his whole vengeance thing. I'm thinking it's probable that every clan has different overall designs, but with similar elements? Lanaya's for example:

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Appears to be June? But it isn't exactly the same. So what we have in DAI may just be the clan Lavellan stencil set. Makes me wonder what Vallaslin Merrill has. Hers doesn't really look like any of these.

 

Merrill's sort of looks like June too, to my eye.  A bit of a stretch, but could also be Sylaise?  I would imagine that this sort of thing could easily vary from clan to clan, though, especially as over time vallaslin artists added and subtracted elements in order to suit their tastes.

 

Merrill's are probably Dirthamen. Lanaya's would be June and Zathrian and Tamlen's would be Mythal.

 

This person made a good chart for comparison.

 

http://lindiranaes.t...ich-inquisition

 

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The one game where Sandal is absent, there are no murder knife options. Coincidence? I think not.

Dorian's second quest has the murder knife.   :wub: It was beautiful


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The one game where Sandal is absent, there are no murder knife options. Coincidence? I think not.

 

I'm still hoping I can find him somewhere!!!!



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This should be a thing: Kickstarter to raise funds for Solas voice actors favorite charity. I always forget his name. If we raise a certain amount he reads and records a short story written by Weekes. As solas.


Or better yet the most dirtiest smut fanfic ever.

Actors always willing to do things for Charity.

I think recorded fanfic must be my theme tonight hahah.
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I'm still hoping I can find him somewhere!!!!

 

In DA2 they specifically talk about him going to Orlais. Now we're in Orlais and there's no sandal. Bioware is such a tease.

 

​EDIT: I was actually really expecting the arcanist / enchanter person to be Sandal.


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Off topic but still, I just read stolen throne and there was a dalish Mage who papered briefly with a magical amulet.

Was he supposed to be the dalish wardens dad?

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Here's a better picture of Mythals mosaic at the Temple of sacred ashes

Finalbattlemythal.png

http://dragonage.wik...does_it_happen?

 

It looks like those stones were purposely put there to cover it?

Maybe it was originally an elven Temple too or something? :huh:

I have to wonder if there wasn't a lot of elven err schtuff in the Frostbacks.  Haven and Skyhold are in somewhat of a proximity.  And Skyhold is built on top of the remains of something that used to be significant to the ancient elves.  Maybe it was Mythal's domain or something.  Then there's that whole Andraste dragon cult (that was discussed earlier).

 

Hrmmm ....



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Man, there's a lot of screenshots of THAT scene in these past few pages. Which leads me to, yes, I just did write a (comedic, cracky) post-breakup fanfic which features Angry!Lavellan stomping around Skyhold and denying that she is angry.  SFW, appearances by most of the companions/advisers.  You can read it here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3123935

 

Omg this is too funny! I'm dying.


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: )...

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From - http://hedgehawke.tu...-li-betrays-you


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I often see things about Lavellans that become disillusioned, but my Lavellan actually had a lot of her beliefs affirmed.  It probably helps that she wasn't a fundamentalist sort of Dalish, so her beliefs weren't so rigid that learning that they were inaccurate wasn't enough to destroy them altogether.  Learning that the elven gods were real, whatever they were, and that immortal elves were real, was literally something of a religious experience for her.  (All that time humans were telling her she was the herald of a divinity she didn't even believe in, and then suddenly one of her own deities appears...her whole world was spinning.)  Even before that, Solas broadened her perspectives, causing her to both question what she believed and to wonder that even the most fantastic Dalish tales even she had doubts about might be true.  Being an Inquisitor was always appropriate for her, since searching for truth was something that had always been important to her as a First and aspiring Keeper.  She's still devoted to learning about the past, while trying to make a better future through understanding their true history.  And if the Dalish, and her clan, her family aren't accurate to what the ancient elves were, she's still perfectly fine continuing down that path.  Culture is built on what came before, and the meaning of things change over time.  It was important to her that Solas accept her for who she is.  (Thus keeping her vallaslin.)  She's already given him a ridiculous amount of trust on all things, and she needed him to be able to trust her in return. I guess only time will tell...

 

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In DA2 they specifically talk about him going to Orlais. Now we're in Orlais and there's no sandal. Bioware is such a tease.

 

​EDIT: I was actually really expecting the arcanist / enchanter person to be Sandal.

 

I know! I was so disheartened. I searched every corner for Sandal, and then Dagna shows up. (Who will be besties with my red-headed dwarf Abaeni, but still...) Goddamnit. 



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@davidgaider hmmm

 

"So, ultimately, what we need for the next game is more unhealthy relationships?" "Pretty much." #ReasonsWhyILoveTheWriters


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In DA2 they specifically talk about him going to Orlais. Now we're in Orlais and there's no sandal. Bioware is such a tease.

 

​EDIT: I was actually really expecting the arcanist / enchanter person to be Sandal.

 

'Artifcer Dagna' was one of the first things shown way back in the early days.  It was just a brief mention in text, but it confirmed she'd be in the game in some way.

 

I like 'Arcanist' better.


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Solas and Fenris should have coffee sometime.

 

They can be grumpy, fatalistic, and hate on the Dalish together.  Now just add Nathaniel, and you have the grumpiest DA party ever.

 

EDIT: Here's their no-good, very bad banter.

 

Nate: I hate the Wardens.  They killed my father.

Fenris:  I hate the Tevinters.  And mages.  And the Dalish.

Solas:  I'm no fan of the Dalish or Tevinters either.

Fenris:  Really?  Aren't they just the worst?

Solas: I also don't like humans, tea, joy, or the Wardens.

Nate:  ...damn.  And I thought I was the cranky one.


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@Removing the vallaslin;

 

My Lavellan did not. She could have. By the time Solas offers it to her, her clan has been destroyed and she knows in some small part of herself that she'll never be able to leave the larger world and go back to the wood again. I think, had Solas framed the removal of the vallaslin in a more pragmatic way, she might have agreed. Or at least thought about it.

 

But putting it into the context of slavery, and the idea that its just another thing her people got wrong... I don't think she would agree with Solas on that point. Whatever it meant back then is not what it meant to her. She worked hard for those markings. They once meant something to her. She certainly doesn't feel as though she is a slave. I think she is even emboldened by the idea- that anyone, even Solas, who deemed to look at her as a slave would come to regret it. She's proud of her people. They have been wrong about many things, but they are survivors. And so is she. 

 

I also think a part of her has figured out that Solas is probably an ancient elf. And by not going along with his request, she felt as though she was standing her ground and making sure he wasn't attempting to just mold her into what he thought she should be. [So when he broke it off, she took it personally.] 

 

Not that that's the only right answer, mind you. That's just how my Lavellan saw it and why she would continue to wear the marking even with her clan gone and no plans to return back to the old ways. 

That was the biggest reason why I am redoing my canon play through.  I am making damn well sure her Clan survives this time.  Put in that context I actually regret removing the Vallaslin on that original play through.



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: )...

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From - http://hedgehawke.tu...-li-betrays-you

 

I laughed far, far more than I should have.



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Oh I'm soooo pleased with the valaslin chart!! Mine turns out to be Sylaise, which makes perfect sense since she is a fire mage! 

 

she also wears a lot of red, including the tattoo :D

 

My previous Quizzie works out great too, she had the Mythal one and she got a bit dissapointed after Flemeth showed up and removed it :)

 

Everything makes sense :D



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Can someone post a link to the mural depicting walking ancient elves with red lyrium in their heads, please? :3 I can't find it in the ocean that is this thread.

 

Thanks in advance.



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Can someone post a link to the mural depicting walking ancient elves with red lyrium in their heads, please? :3 I can't find it in the ocean that is this thread.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

This?

 

tumblr_ngcgdvaBOj1t9rteno3_500.png

 

Larger version here: http://thedosianimpo...-a-i-s-ex-s-e-a



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Yes, thank you. <3


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#47896
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'Artifcer Dagna' was one of the first things shown way back in the early days.  It was just a brief mention in text, but it confirmed she'd be in the game in some way.

 

I like 'Arcanist' better.

 

When they're revealed all you see (or not see, y'know because shortis that it's going to be a dwarf, and I uh.. kind of completely forgot about Dagna.  How is the world supposed to function without Bodahn and Sandal in my campsite/living room/dungeon-armory. 


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Solas said this to my Trev'Quisitor last night, about Sera.  I don't recall ever seeing this on my Lavellan.  I'm sure most of you have seen it before.  

 

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I often see things about Lavellans that become disillusioned, but my Lavellan actually had a lot of her beliefs affirmed.  It probably helps that she wasn't a fundamentalist sort of Dalish, so her beliefs weren't so rigid that learning that they were inaccurate wasn't enough to destroy them altogether.  Learning that the elven gods were real, whatever they were, and that immortal elves were real, was literally something of a religious experience for her.  (All that time humans were telling her she was the herald of a divinity she didn't even believe in, and then suddenly one of her own deities appears...her whole world was spinning.)  Even before that, Solas broadened her perspectives, causing her to both question what she believed and to wonder that even the most fantastic Dalish tales even she had doubts about might be true.  Being an Inquisitor was always appropriate for her, since searching for truth was something that had always been important to her as a First and aspiring Keeper.  She's still devoted to learning about the past, while trying to make a better future through understanding their true history.  And if the Dalish, and her clan, her family aren't accurate to what the ancient elves were, she's still perfectly fine continuing down that path.  Culture is built on what came before, and the meaning of things change over time.  It was important to her that Solas accept her for who she is.  (Thus keeping her vallaslin.)  She's already given him a ridiculous amount of trust on all things, and she needed him to be able to trust her in return. I guess only time will tell...

 

I'm glad you said it, because my Lavellan felt almost the exact same way.

 

My Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and mistaken (especially since I headcanoned that she was city-born and was often called "flat-ear" and "seth-lin" growing up), but she doesn't see that as a reason to condemn, disown, or give up on them. She doesn't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. That is, just because the Dalish are flawed doesn't mean we should discard them completely, throwing out the good with the bad.

 

My Lavellan sees the Dalish as people who are doing the best they can with the limited information they have. They as a culture try to learn about their past, and that has value even if it is imperfectly implemented. Sure, the Dalish don't know everything about their past (not even most of it, now that people like Solas and Abelas have come forward) and often get the details wrong when they do. But that's part of learning and growing. You learn that things you thought you knew before were incorrect, or learn new details to things you already did, or learn completely new things that you never dreamed of. Just because the Dalish are still in the process of rediscovering and rebuilding the past doesn't mean they'll never get there, or that everything they've gained so far is automatically worthless.

 

That's why my Lavellan defends the Dalish to Sera and Solas every time they disparage them; not in a belligerent "How dare you insult our heritage!" way, but gently asking, "So the Dalish made some mistakes, does that mean they were wrong about everything?" or "There's so much history and tradition there, should we throw it all away?"

 

And that ties back into vallaslin. EDIT: Whatever they were used for before, they have come to mean something different for the Dalish today. My character has considered vallalsin such a positive aspect of her heritage, culture, people, and personal identity for so long, she can't see herself discarding everything good about it just because there used to be something bad about it. She sees discarding her vallaslin as symbolically discarding everything good about her heritage just because there's something bad about it as well.

 

And yes, Agreed with your Lavellan so much on her stance on the vallaslin. (My Lavellan even told Solas, "If you could just look past...")


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Solas said this to my Trev'Quisitor last night, about Sera.  I don't recall ever seeing this on my Lavellan.  I'm sure most of you have seen it before.  

 

Interesting.  I've never seen this on Lavellan or Adaar.

 

Maybe he envies her in the same way that he envies spirits?  Sera has a purpose, and she doesn't deviate from it.  Life for them is simpler and less complex than it is for him.


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Solas said this to my Trev'Quisitor last night, about Sera. I don't recall ever seeing this on my Lavellan. I'm sure most of you have seen it before.

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