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[Caddius]

I don't think there was a romance that was on abuse level. No one hits your or insults or anything like that.

 

I don't think there was a romance that was on abuse level. No one hits your or insults or anything like that.

It's like dating Batman without knowing he's Batman.

Great boyfriend, very sweet, intelligent, badass, and obviously adores you. But he has an older and higher calling than you. What's more, Solas tries to warn you off of getting involved with him, and the Inquisitor (and the player) presses onward. Then he leaves, and it tears him off. That's not abuse, that's a break-up with some fancy-pants saving the People/Gotham City rationale.

Blackwall isn't abusive.

Cassandra isn't abusive.

Are they maybe talking about Josephine? It's not abusive to show off a dress your character can't wear.

*sigh*

[Meeres]

Hey! Welcome to the Solas Heartbreak Survivor's Club (totally not official and just made up by me) where we console ourselves(get it?) with theories as to why he did it and what we hope to see of him (and our romance) one day.

 

Personally, I'm holding out to hope that in some future DLC or sequel, Lavellan and Solas will at least see each other again and gain some closure. If Lavellan never even learns his identity, I'm gonna blow a gasket. (Hey, if a Male Warden who romanced Morrigan can track her down in Witch Hunt and go through the Eluvian with her, Lavellan can at least see him and get some closure some time in the future.)

 

Not official, but accurate enough, lmao. It took me ages to get up the nerve to post but reading through a bunch of pages did help me feel better.

 

I'm holding onto that hope too. I'm not sure I could handle having to wait for the next actual game to get any answers about Solas, much less answers for the potential romance.

Something about the way the main plot ended made it seem like it's possible we'll get to play as our Inquisitor again, though. If it's just for DLC like Origins then I can live with it but the Inquisitor is obviously super tied into what looks like the main plot, it'd feel weird if they suddenly were gone entirely. You never know what Bioware will do, though, so I feel like a squirrel running back and forth across the road speculating this and that.

[Avejajed]

It's also equally likely she was cagey because she knows that people who are angry and estranged from loved ones don't tend to willingly go talk to them just because they sent a letter. Telling Dorian could have just blown up in your face and he'd immediately refuse.
The fact that she doesn't like any of it seems like normal suspicion regarding Tevinter. The fact that Tevinter dad wrote it like a typical Tevinter noble didn't really help anyone.

I too lost all patience with Giselle at her annoying me about Dorian.

Then I thought back and decided maybe she sent me to Val Royeux at the beginning because she knew what would happen. Never trusted her again.

[Mims]

...I think tv fandoms have done something to me, lowered my expectations? Raised them? Either way it's less of a blood bath than I'm used to. Not that that's a bad thing. 

 

That's actually terrifying. 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Zarro-Morningstar]

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider  5h5 hours ago

"So, ultimately, what we need for the next game is more unhealthy relationships?" "Pretty much." #ReasonsWhyILoveTheWriters

 

 

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This what started it all and then PW retweeted it. I just find it rather stupid that people are attacking PW, and everyone else.

[Avejajed]

It's like dating Batman without knowing he's Batman.
Great boyfriend, very sweet, intelligent, badass, and obviously adores you. But he has an older and higher calling than you. What's more, Solas tries to warn you off of getting involved with him, and the Inquisitor (and the player) presses onward. Then he leaves, and it tears him off. That's not abuse, that's a break-up with some fancy-pants saving the People/Gotham City rationale.
Blackwall isn't abusive.
Cassandra isn't abusive.
Are they maybe talking about Josephine? It's not abusive to show off a dress your character can't wear.
*sigh*

They are talking about Dorian and Bull. Which, while maybe not great for Dorian, has many people very upset about how Bull abuses and humiliates Dorian.

Its annoying. While maybe not the epitome of a healthy relationship, I don't see the abuse. I suppose some here may, so probably best not to say much more. Lol.

[BubbleDncr]

People will find any reason they can to be offended. I think deep down people enjoy being offended. They can rely on their righteous indignation to make themselves feel as though their point of view is superior to everyone elses.

Weekes, I think, can handle it with a shrug. Gaider, on the other hand, strikes me as having a extremely prickly personality. He's more likely to respond by offending people on purpose.

 

Yea as best I can tell, there isn't an abusive relationship the player can get involved in. So all this hupla is about Dorian/Iron Bull?

 

Something that most players won't actually see happen in their games. And if you do see it happen...how is that any different from seeing an abusive relationship in a tv show, movie, or reading about it in a book? Storytelling mediums can't just leave out things that are facts of life, just because they may offend some people. 

 

It's an M rated game...

[HurricaneGinger]

*long sigh*

 

I want to say something so badly, but, I almost feel.. "What's the point?" As a survivor, I hold a personal testament to said triggers, and how they affect me, but do I really want to hash it out? Blech.

 

I'm sorry if I upset you. Solas' romance hit me very hard, and I certainly don't want unhealthy romances to become a mainstream for the lady gamer. So, I understand perfectly why people are upset; I didn't much care for the retweet myself, but I took it as a joke. 

 

I only take personal issue with how the devs are being treated; we don't know them, or what they intend, but I do know they don't wish ill will on anyone because of their circumstances - they want to improve what they have done wrong, as Mr. Weekes has said. 

[electricfish]

Not official, but accurate enough, lmao. It took me ages to get up the nerve to post but reading through a bunch of pages did help me feel better.

 

I'm holding onto that hope too. I'm not sure I could handle having to wait for the next actual game to get any answers about Solas, much less answers for the potential romance.

Something about the way the main plot ended made it seem like it's possible we'll get to play as our Inquisitor again, though. If it's just for DLC like Origins then I can live with it but the Inquisitor is obviously super tied into what looks like the main plot, it'd feel weird if they suddenly were gone entirely. You never know what Bioware will do, though, so I feel like a squirrel running back and forth across the road speculating this and that.

 

Supposedly they're wanting a new hero with each game. We'll get DLC, but the next official game will probably have a new lead. This is less a story about X person, and more a story about Thedas as a whole. That's why people got super upset when Bioware told us that Hawke wouldn't be returning as the protagonist in DA3.

[madrar]

It's like dating Batman without knowing he's Batman.

 

*chokes on her soda*

 

Yes.  Yes it is.  

[Avejajed]

*chokes on her soda*

Yes. Yes it is.

More like dating Kanye and finding out you're dating Jeezus.


I'm aware I only think I'm funny and in reality am not funny in any way. But it's late and that's my excuse. I need Solas dreams tonight again.

[Patchwork]

That's actually terrifying. 

 

 

LOL it really is. 

 

Don't get me wrong most of the time, and all of the time for some, tv fandoms are a fun supportive, creative place but oh boy when it kicks off things usually get ugly fast. 

[AWTEW]

Interesting! I did not know that. I don't seem to have it. Leliana turned out not to be a bad choice, but I was expecting Vivienne. I'll have to look into that. 

 

I think the best choice is Cassandra TBH. She is in the middle, she's not ultra conservative like Vivvine, nor radical like Lelliana.

[AWTEW]

Supposedly they're wanting a new hero with each game. We'll get DLC, but the next official game will probably have a new lead. This is less a story about X person, and more a story about Thedas as a whole. That's why people got super upset when Bioware told us that Hawke wouldn't be returning as the protagonist in DA3.

 

Hawke in DAI would have been great. Jo Wyatt throwing out the sarcasm, and actually sounding sarcastic..>_> I love my Lavellan but..geez..some personality would have gone a long way..

[Renmiri1]

Yeah.

 

I don't have an alternative, but you've definitely put your finger on the bit that just doesn't sit right.

 

Team Despair:  the whole thing sounds horribly, terribly final in a way that's really hard to reconcile with our existing theories about his Big Plan.   Not the "you won't forgive me" of the possible veil-drop or god-release.  Not even final in "I expect doing this will take my life, and thus will never see you again."   It's more like he expects whatever he's about to do will -literally- eternally isolate him: as you theorized, possibly cutting him off from this world entirely.  

 

Team Optimism: Screw in-game, going meta.  In order to complete a full character arc- whether villain or redemption, Solas has to show up again.  

 

Right?  He has to.  

 

...Right?

did you see what I found on EVERY TALK TABLE on the game ?

 

 

000449AF: Re-enable Solas

000449B0: I want Solas back.

 

I think he was supposed to come back on the end (balcony scene) but they didn't have time to animate it

[Avejajed]

Hawke in DAI would have been great. Jo Wyatt throwing out the sarcasm, and actually sounding sarcastic..>_> I love my Lavellan but..geez..some personality would have gone a long way..

I agree Jo Wyatt snarks circles around Alex. Too bad Hawke didn't come off nearly snarky enough for me. Also I'm still annoyed at her hair

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Hawke in DAI would have been great. Jo Wyatt throwing out the sarcasm, and actually sounding sarcastic..>_> I love my Lavellan but..geez..some personality would have gone a long way..

I really think that Bioware should have the IQ be the main lead in the next game or Hawke. The IQ is not just going to go poof...I swear if she does I am going to be deeply annoyed. She is nearly the most influential person in all of Southern Thedas...so her story is not done. Nor is Hawke's...but it seems they are writing them off just as the Warden.

[BubbleDncr]

Just finished watching Rent, and this song made me think of Solas.

 

 

Your eyes
As we said our goodbyes
Can't get them out of my mind
And I find I can't hide
(From )

 

Your eyes
The ones that took me by surprise
The night you came into my life
Where there's moonlight
I see your eyes

 

How'd I let you slip away
When I'm longing so to hold you
Now I'd die for one more day
'Cause there's something I should've have told you
Yes, there's something I should've have told you

[CardinalSin90]

While the subject of vallaslin is still fairly fresh in our minds... is my Female Lavellan the only one who opted not to let Solas remove hers?

I'm not disparaging anyone that chose to agree, it just seems that people chose "yes" more often than not and now I'm wondering if I'm an odd duck?

I imagine that while my Lavellan knows the Dalish are flawed and often mistaken, she still feels very loyal to them and believes in their cause. Since the devs took forever to reveal which vallaslin represents which deity, I had to headcanon why she picked hers, and came up with layers upon layers of symbolic reasons that honored different aspects of her heritage, family, values, and life (not just the deity). So, when Solas reveals that the vallaslin were originally slave markings, her reaction was basically, "Whatever they were used for in the past, the Dalish have reclaimed them, and this is what they mean to us now." When he offered to remove hers, she just couldn't let him do it because she felt they had become part of her (whatever their original purpose) and just couldn't let him remove what had become such a huge part of her personal and cultural identity.

So, what'd you choose and why?

I chose to remove the vallasilin because my mage Lavellan despite being wise has a lot of pride about being a true elf(which sometimes clouds her judgement)..no matter the consequences she wont sugarcoat the truth and wouldn't want to carry slave markings.Yeah sure the clan would freak out but tough love time. They were wrong and need to swallow that. She is really into re creating and seeing the real Arlathan minus all the bad stuff.
Moreover..she considered it a gift from Solas..something she will remember all her life..when his hand touched her face..t.t *sobs* Well she set herself up for a lifetime of pain now whenever she will see her face..she will remember Solas:/

My rogue Lavellan might be keeping her vallasilin. She is progressive and thinks its time we let go of the past and work towards a better future. The markings have a whole different meaning now. It is now a the symbol of a new culture and new people.Its all in your mind and your perceptions of how you take the markings to be. She has El'garnan's btw and the mage has Mythal.

[Eivuwan]

I think maybe they initially planned on having the player reunite with Solas during the balcony scene. Maybe they didn't want the player to feel too sad and have a lack of closure. But I guess they decide to go with the more realistic and emotional path because they want their games to be remembered. I still need my closure though.

[Meeres]

Supposedly they're wanting a new hero with each game. We'll get DLC, but the next official game will probably have a new lead. This is less a story about X person, and more a story about Thedas as a whole. That's why people got super upset when Bioware told us that Hawke wouldn't be returning as the protagonist in DA3.

 

That makes sense. On one hand, I enjoy being able to further play a character in later games (Mass Effect style) but at the same time, it's nice to not see one character end up being the focus of every major event. Seems kind of ridiculous to think that one person could have ALL of the crazy important world-shaping adventures. Especially when the story is about Thedas and several story arcs intertwining.

DLC it is, then! I will end up buying all of it, probably, even if it's bad (coughSebastiancough).

[Renmiri1]

Dude. I want Giselle as Divine. :| I can keep Cassandra, Leliana can go back to her Warden lover, and there's still a mostly reasonable and compassionate person on the Sunburst Throne.

would make too much sense for Bioware

[Avejajed]

Going to bed. Snowstorm tomorrow! Should be fun! I'll try to catch up on 2937883373 pages in the am.