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[Caddius]

Flemeth says "Alas, so long as the music plays, we dance" in a sad tone
Perhaps she's being controlled or something?

Hmph. 

I'm going to make a new Origins playthrough, just to pick up on every little line of Flemeth's.

And then 2.

And then Inquisition where I will very probably in all likelihood fail to make a non Solasmancer.

Because I want as much fresh context for her saying that as possible. 

My first thought when she said that was that so long as the Old God Calling is going on, she has to play along with these silly mortal games. Like, so long as there's that influence going on, she can't unfurl the endgame stage of her plan.

Anyone else notice that weird statue in the Fade when you bump into Flemeth? The one that's bleeding? 

EDIT: So going off the Old God=Creator theory (can we get cool codenames for all these theories? Please and thank you.), the Old Gods obviously give off a Song even before being corrupted. It's what draws the darkspawn to them, it's how senior Grey Wardens have managed to pin point where the remaining Old Gods are buried. The Western Approach codex entries indicate that an Old God either is or was buried down there, and as the Wardens drew closer the Song grew so incredibly strong that it became a physical sound rather than a mental one, and may have even been responsible for the caverns collapsing and killing most of the Warden expedition.

Mythal probably has a Song. While Flemeth reminds me of Nicodemus from the Dresden Files in how she seems to have become the more dominant personality in her co-op playthrough of life, maybe she does resent having to put more of a focus on Mythal's goals? Maybe the treatment of her daughters is better for Mythal, but Flemeth hesitates?

On a slightly related note, the Old God in the Western Approach.

Is it one of the gods that's already been slain or is it still there?

The Blights went Tevinter-Anderfels-Anderfels-Antiva-Ferelden, didn't they? I guess it's possible and hilarious to imagine the Archdemon slithering through the Deep Roads to pop out somewhere more traditional, because ew Orlesians. But building up slowly in the Western Approach would have served a similar purpose as Urthemiel building up in the Korcari Wilds.

But considering the massive darkspawn presence in the Approach, and the Abyss itself, you'd think they'd have already awakened it.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

I lost my post to a refresh and so all of my eloquence is going out the window with it.

 

Has anyone mentioned in the 1931+ pages of this thread the possibility of the Inquisitor being one of these spirit-human hybrids? I mean, the only two people Solas goes out of his way to repeatedly mention that they are unique are Cole and the Inquisitor.
 

That whole conversation on the balcony bookended with his keeping the mark from killing you while you slept in the beginning to reinforcing your uniqueness and ability to draw him from the fade... It just makes me question. I mean, asking you if the mark hasn't changed you in some way - your personality, your.. spirit is pretty fishy. That sense of off-ness is reinforced by his repeated telling you of how he is impressed by your wisdom, the subtley of your actions things he hasn't seen since... his deepest journeyings into the earliest memories of the fade. (Seriously. MOST. SHIFTY. EYED. LIE. HE. PULLS. OFF. IN. THE. WHOLE. DAMN. GAME.)

 

He might as well have told you through deduction, "Hey bra, the anchor in your hand is kinda influencing you like a spirit. An ancient spirit. Most likely of wisdom. Who may or may not have been the reformed spirit of an ancient Elvhen because when people or things have shaped enough memories and people they reform even though they died. Into something different that might not remember me. But I remember. Also... I'm way attracted to you as a person and have been flirting with you blatantly since you woke up. And I love you. Like, two kisses in, I love you. To the point it might destroy me. So if this all seems a little fast to you, it's because this spirit might be someone I've known. Biblically. Chantically. At some point."

I dunno. Just can't shake that feeling of something being super freaking odd in those interactions. Like... you're something more than what you are, you just don't know it yet. And he's certainly not going to tell you.

"Since my...since my deepest journeys into the Fade."

First playthrough: "*leaps off couch, shaking fist* YOU LIE! YOU SEXY POINTY-EARRED LIAR!"

Second Playthrough: "Hah! I was right! But...but who was he talking about? Mythal? Andraste? Shartan?"

I believe someone posited the theory earlier about the Inquisitor being connected to a spirit, but it became connected to the meta-player theory and got lost in the break-neck speed of this forum.

But yeah, something is up with that conversation. And the mark. If it is his orb and not Mythal's, maybe it's an influence from Fen'harel himself?

Another way is that he's a teensy bit snobbish about these downtimers, and maybe it's the awesomeness of the Mark affecting them rather than his prejudices being wrong.

I really love that Bioware gave us a stealth mentor figure as a party member and love interest. I mean, Wynne preached a lot about responsibility, but her version of the Grey Wardens was almost as divorced from reality as Blackwall's was. 

Solas, though.   Hahren, indeed.

The scene where he takes you aside after Haven. "Scout to the north. Be their guide." The shot of him calculating as the rest of the Inquisition is singing. His little grin when the Inquisitor spots Skyhold. ("That's right, girlfriend. I have a castle. Er, I mean, I know where a castle can be found. Let's see Iron Bull beat that with a stick.") All his Fen'harel shenanigans. I love it.

[dragondreamer]

It's like you have him in the palm of your hand...

[Yaslana]

Hrmmm I have a question...

 

After all those trailers, did you expect DAI to be darker, too?

 

Yes it has its dark moments, but... Way not as much as I thought there would be...

[Caddius]

Hrmmm I have a question...

 

After all those trailers, did you expect DAI to be darker, too?

 

Yes it has its dark moments, but... Way not as much as I thought there would be...

It was a surprising turn back to idealism.

I didn't mind.

I might have preferred a ME3 style taken to what is basically DA's seeming apocalypse, that gradually starts turning to idealism and hope as the Inquisitor proves more and more successful. Basically us as the player telling Thedas, "No. DA2 will not happen again. We will make things better and no idiots will get in the way. I will make it so."

But I'm still happy with what ended up happening.

 

It's like you have him in the palm of your hand...

I see what you did there.   

[_Lucinia]

I lost my post to a refresh and so all of my eloquence is going out the window with it.

 

Has anyone mentioned in the 1931+ pages of this thread the possibility of the Inquisitor being one of these spirit-human hybrids? I mean, the only two people Solas goes out of his way to repeatedly mention that they are unique are Cole and the Inquisitor.
 

 

Yeah it's been brought up a few times I think.  There's a few theories that seem to cycle in this thread.  Usually someone will come along and have a better version, or more to add to it.

 

I think the way Solas and Cole talk about the Inquisitor has to be a hint of something.

Being able to physically walk in the Fade twice?  There's no way the Inquisitor is just a person.  I know the Anchor seems to be the key, but I think it's only part of it.  Has to be more than just having the Anchor that allows the Inquisitor to do what he/she does.

[Wheels]

[...] And I love you. Like, two kisses in, I love you. To the point it might destroy me. So if this all seems a little fast to you, it's because this spirit might be someone I've known. Biblically. Chantically. At some point." [...]

 

For some reason, I think this is hilarious x)

Good post!

[MaidenM]

I totally headcannon Lavellan being a spirit hybrid now. I'm a sucker for across-lives/time stories...

 

I bet he's asking if the mark changed you because he wants to know if you had been possessed or if you where reincarnated! Drat... now I need fanfictions, maybe I should get to writing one myself xP

[Avejajed]

Are you in Ohio too!? I am getting a huge snowstorm too, lol!

Close enough! Indiana here!

Also it's too early and no Solas dreams so Im already over today as a whole.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[scintilla]

Hrmmm I have a question...

 

After all those trailers, did you expect DAI to be darker, too?

 

Yes it has its dark moments, but... Way not as much as I thought there would be...

 

I was expecting it to be a lot darker. Maybe DLC will take a turn for the dark.

 

Being able to physically walk in the Fade twice? 

 

I don't think being able to physically walk in the Fade is a big deal. Getting into the Fade to walk physically in it is what's so special and that's the Anchor, not the Inquisitor.

[Yaslana]

I totally headcannon Lavellan being a spirit hybrid now. I'm a sucker for across-lives/time stories...

 

I bet he's asking if the mark changed you because he wants to know if you had been possessed or if you where reincarnated! Drat... now I need fanfictions, maybe I should get to writing one myself xP

 

Yeah but if Quizzi is a spirit thingy, I think she was born. Like a spirit slips into her mamas body and becomes a physical being or possesses the embryo.

 

And I don't think the spirit would remember that it was a spirit, it would grow up like a normal babe. Cole didn't know what he was after he became "solid".

[LliiraAnna]

Yeah it's been brought up a few times I think. There's a few theories that seem to cycle in this thread. Usually someone will come along and have a better version, or more to add to it.

I think the way Solas and Cole talk about the Inquisitor has to be a hint of something.

Being able to physically walk in the Fade twice? There's no way the Inquisitor is just a person. I know the Anchor seems to be the key, but I think it's only part of it. Has to be muore than just having the Anchor that allows the Inquisitor to do what he/she does.

Spirit!Justinia says that the Anchor is "a needle pulling a thread", and that Inquisitor is a thread, not a needle.

Cole says that he has trouble seeing the Inquisitor behind the mark; apparently, it "makes [them] more".

Does not sound like Inky is someone special on their own, their willpower (as with most BW protagonists) aside. And then there's the whole "right man in the wrong place" theme, which is all over DA games.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Rabbitonfire]

Close enough! Indiana here!

Also it's too early and no Solas dreams so Im already over today as a whole.

Oh hey, I'm from Kentucky. if We all lived near cincinnati, we can take over the tri-state area. 

[scintilla]

Yeah, what was Cole's exact quote for F!Lavellan? I know it changes for different inquisitors based on their races. Which, given that the romance is only possible with an Dalish inquistor still makes me question.

 

"You reach across, mindful, meaning. You pull it through to this side, make it real here."  I can't find the quote for my qunari, but he said something about rage to her after the line about trying to count birds against the sun.

[Avejajed]

Oh hey, I'm from Kentucky. if We all lived near cincinnati, we can take over the tri-state area.

Northern Indiana here, but if I did live near Cincy we could totally start Solas addiction support meetings.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Nika]

Kieran says something about Lavellan's blood I think...
"Your blood is very old, I saw it right away"
And Flemeth tells an elf something like "You make The People proud"

[scintilla]

"You reach across, mindful, meaning. You pull it through to this side, make it real here."  I can't find the quote for my qunari, but he said something about rage to her after the line about trying to count birds against the sun.

 

Found the qunari quote.

 

"Old blood, deeper, passion pounding pulsing, unchecked. Raw rage, but only an option."

[_Lucinia]

I don't think the Inquisitor was necessarily more before the Anchor.  I just suspect that whatever happened during the explosion that made the Breach, the Anchor, and being in the Fade all combined to do something.  I mean, he/she touched the Orb right in the middle of Cory's ritual.  We still don't know the extent of the orb's power.  And then Solas is always very concerned of the state of the Inquisitor's Spirit, asking if he/she has changed at all.  I probably just pay too much attention to the way things are worded, and how many times they are mentioned.

 

The game ended, and added more questions than answered any.  I've played BioWare games for too long I suspect, has me analyzing stuff that is more than likely as simple as being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

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There's also all the talk of the Inquisitor being "real".   We still don't know what exactly that means.  There's been some really great discussion about that.  General consensus seeming to be that the Veil having something to do with it.  I am guessing that the connection to the Fade via the Anchor has made the Inquisitor more like the ancient elves, which I have seen mentioned in this thread multiple times.

 

All that put together is why I think the Inquisitor is more.  Maybe not a spirit-human hybrid.  But something.  Look at how Seekers obtain their powers.  There's also Wynne, and her Spirit.  I forget the name of the Tranquil in Asunder that had tranquility reversed.  There's some connection there that I can't make.  There's something to spirits making people more than what they are.  And it is so darned late and my brain wants to sleep that I just can't explain it any better than this.  

[madrar]

Oh no.  Guys.   I just had a revelation, and it's- it's not good.  Solas is far more broken and far more dangerous than we realized.  

 

This is bad. And awesome.  But also very, very bad.  Typing as fast as I can, but need to find references.  Cuddle the fuzzball while he's still cuddleable, because he wasn't kidding about people having a face they want to show, and a face they do not. 

 

...two faces, really.  Though there's just one super problematic face.  Of the four, if you're counting.  

 

WEEKES.  GODDAMN IT, YOU KNEW ALL ALONG, WEEKES.

 

*shakes a fist at the sky*

[Addai]

Flemeth says "Alas, so long as the music plays, we dance" in a sad tone
Perhaps she's being controlled or something?

That sounds like the Calling to me.
 

It's not a stretch to think that a spirit of faith would be drawn to Justinia, so I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true.

It would make sense that if they protect their special forces templars from mind control this way, they'd do the same for the Divine.
 

Has anyone mentioned in the 1931+ pages of this thread the possibility of the Inquisitor being one of these spirit-human hybrids? I mean, the only two people Solas goes out of his way to repeatedly mention that they are unique are Cole and the Inquisitor.

Yes, we've discussed it, and I do think that is what Solas is fishing for on the balcony. He wants to know if there's a spirit at work that makes the Inquisitor so different than he expected. But even if he thinks that is true, he's happy if you tell him you are the way you are because of your own decisions. The Inquisitor's sense of self hasn't been overwhelmed by the power she wields- she's able to think clearly and act accordingly, and acts in a way that shows subtlety and wisdom (as Solas views those things). He seems to believe that already and just wants confirmation, because he pretty much talks himself into that conclusion. Then moves ahead with the romance.

Ugh, we need another PW interview to tell us what the motivations are. Solas is too hard to read.
 

And pffft do I love the "That's right. Bitches Love Castles" face he makes.

ROFL

[Caddius]

I do like the theme of 'wrong man in the wrong place'.

In Inquisition's place, it does have the macabre image of all the other possible backgrounds hearing something strange and running to investigate, only to be flash-burned by the Breach. 

Everytime I roll a Treveleyan or an Adaar or a Cadash, all I can think is that I'm incinerating Solas's love interest before he ever gets to meet her...  

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Mind you, I still roll them.  Solas is used to being lonely, what's the worst that could happen? 

But I'm extremely interested in what more the Anchor can do. I love that Corypheus is so confused by it himself, because it's not his gig.

"What you flail at Rifts, I would use to assault the very heavens." He holds the Inquisitor in contempt for 'squandering' the Anchor, while being afraid of the Inquisitor even as an unknowing rival. I really hope further DLC explores the Anchor more. And who better to be involved in explaining what the hell is going on there than Solas himself?

EDIT: http://kotaku.com/pl...quis-1674596270

Considering the talk about Flemythal and the Calling and the Old Gods, this seemed appropriate to drop back in.