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[Hedinve]

ATM I feel it's all up in the air and I can't even begin to consider Solas as more than Fen'Harel. So I'll just trow in some tidbits I find interesting about the fade and the void.

 

From the Wiki and the game (screenshot from ChristopherOdds Let's Play on youtube; 

 

 

 

This is from the convo where Solas comes back to Skyhold after freeing his friend. 

 

 

So Solas can not only dreamwalk but he can also slip between the dreams? Or does he just feel stuff from there? As ms.Sacrifice went mad from running around there I wonder how that works for him. The Void is a primordial soup? The Fade is soup shaped and the world is soup shaped and materialized?

 

Dragon as the blood of the world? Old blood? Elven blood. Dragon blood. And Qunari with their possible dragon blood... I'm intrigued. And better at asking than answering questions.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

 Dev notes?  For the stinger?  WHERE.

http://www.veilfire....irmed-spoilers/

Here you go, you madcap prophet, you. 

EDIT:

So, after cleaning for awhile and pondering, I feel like I don't have enough info to come down solidly on the 'TRIPE THREAT'/Bears, Wolves, and Owls Oh My!' theory. 

But goddamn is it interesting.

The part to me that sticks out the most is the idea that Solas was cast down in someway, and earned his way into the pantheon by unusual methods. Especially the idea that he/the Formless One is the judged cast into the abyss.

In addition to all the mural wolf stuff that's just been pointed out by the lovely forumites above me, there's the multiple eyes near the beginning of it. Could be the Abyss creature. Could be Fen'harel guiding the Inquisitor from the beginning. Could be Nightmare, Blinky wiping away the Inquisitor's memory of their Fade trip.

So you know how ME3 had the 'speculation for everyone!' written in the notes about the original ending? And how, that, um, didn't exactly get rave reviews?

THIS is the kind of post-game speculation I love. Exquisitely done.

[LliiraAnna]

So romancing him has to be important, right? I mean, those two end game cards are as different as day and night.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[scintilla]

 Dev notes?  For the stinger?  WHERE.

 

Spoiler

Designer's Notes: This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this

game, Flemeth's story comes to a head -- she knew that Solas would

summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his

plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods...yet Solas has

slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was

killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now

holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it.

He was once her oldest friend, but she knows in his drive to save the

elven people he will kill anyone -- even her. She intends to let him

have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood

onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet

one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession.

 

From here: http://www.reddit.co...cene_explained/

[Rabbitonfire]

So romancing him has to be important, right? I mean, those two end game cards are as different as day and night.

Not significantly, it wouldn't be fair for other players who didn't romance solas. At most, we would get extra dialogue. 

[LliiraAnna]

Not significantly, it wouldn't be fair for other players who didn't romance solas. At most, we would get extra dialogue.

I understand. Just wishful thinking on my part

[madrar]

So romancing him has to be important, right? I mean, those two end game cards are as different as day and night.

 

There's no doubt in my mind.   Not to jump headfirst into another theory dump, but I think Solas' romance card is the Fool, not the Hierophant.  

 

maabelasdaruth has a good summary about why, if you want to dig into it.  

 

If you just want the good news, here's a quick cut and paste of the card meaning:

 

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The Fool Tarot card is a card of potential, new beginnings and innocence. This Tarot card shows the highest potential for your life, reaching a state of renewal and new beginnings, where each day is an adventure and each moment is lived to the fullest. The Fool card represents the beginning of all creativity and a desire to accomplish new goals (or to, at least, start the process of working towards those goals). The Fool indicates that anything can happen and the opportunities are just waiting to be taken advantage of.

 

In a Tarot reading, the Fool represents the need to set forth on a new journey, one that is completely unknown and will take you to uncharted territories. The Fool is all about new experiences, personal growth, development and adventure. The Fool Tarot card asks you to take a ‘leap of faith’ and to trust in the Universe in that if you begin a new journey, you will find success. This Fool lives a carefree life, free from worry and anxiety. He does not seem to mind if he does not really know what lies ahead.

 

The Fool Tarot card may represent a choice to be made—one of vital importance. However, there are always many different options available and the choice must be made wisely. If you are facing a decision or moment of doubt, the Fool encourages you to believe in yourself and follow your heart no matter how crazy or foolish your impulses may seem. This is a time when you need to truly ‘believe’ and have faith in where the Universe is taking you.

 

The Fool is an excellent Tarot card to meditate on if you are experiencing a lot of fear in your life. The Fool enhances courage, risk-taking and the creative expression needed to open up new areas in your life.

 

The Fool is always whole, healthy and without fear. He is the spirit of who we are, the spirit expressed and experienced as wonder, awe, curiosity and anticipation. We never know what is in the future but like the Fool we must blindly go forward. You need to trust that you are a spirit born into flesh to enjoy life and grow in experience. Take a chance and see what happens.

 

 gaaah, what the hell is wrong with my spoiler tags?

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Abelas Forever!]

So romancing him has to be important, right? I mean, those two end game cards are as different as day and night.

I would love it if we could save him by romancing him but when I think about all those playthroughs where I haven't romanced him and he is somehow broken. The thought just breaks my heart

[Hedinve]

So, just for the time being and for fun, does madrars theory then explain the origin of Fen'Harel? Because the others in the pantheon are the children of Mythal and Elgar'Nan, June created himself somehow and Ghilan'nain was adopted in. Where did Fen'Harel come from? I love the consistency in this theory, but not convinced just yet.

[Avejajed]

 

 

Honestly? We can only hope. This is Bioware we're talking about. You can't even romance Alistair to the end without one of you dying for the sake of the other or him sleeping with the one person he hates the most beyond Loghain. Happiness comes with a high price with the writers of their games. Oddly enough, Zevran and the Warden have the best shot at it. Hawke's ***** - I don't care who you romance but the amount of death, emotional baggage, and familial loss isn't something to write home with joy about.

What I know of visual storytelling tells me that YES - there is something important about there even BEING a romance card and it ONLY being available in a given situation, ESPECIALLY with him ending the relationship. Something about you, his reasons for leaving you, or what you've taught him in those moments is enough to change not his path, but perhaps his way of getting there.

Why not his path? In both cards, Solas faces to the left, a direction usually only done when the artist wants to state that the character is GOING HOME or RETURNING. This is due in a lot of ways to the direction we read, we see the story as unfolding on the right with the journey in its direction and the return of the hero enlightened with the wisdom/ knowledge of his journey to his home in the opposite.

 

 

I keep wanting to tell you your Lavellan looks like Demi Moore.

[Prince of Keys]

 

There's no doubt in my mind.   Not to jump headfirst into another theory dump, but I think Solas' romance card is the Fool, not the Hierophant.  

 

maabelasdaruth has a good summary about why, if you want to dig into it.  

 

 

Not to burst your bubble, but it's definitely the Hierophant. I have the physical deck of cards and it labels them all at the bottom.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[vierrae]

Has anybody seen this? Now I feel I must replay Origins just for that piece of information.

http://forum.bioware...ovia/?bioware=1

[nranola]

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8.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  

Don't tell me you don't see it.  You do.

 

 

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Okay, so this theory is interesting as hell, but my brain immediately went to this picture and how it says "Claim" in the middle and now I'm going "damn right I'll claim all the wolves all the solases are MINE"

 

I'll be back when I get some coffee in me... 

[Hedinve]

He is still the only one who is lacking an origin. "Kin of both", but that's it afaik?

 

Dirthamen and Falon'din - inseparable from birth, both are said to be the eldest children of Mythal and Elgar'nan. 

[Rabbitonfire]

He is still the only one who is lacking an origin. "Kin of both", but that's it afaik?

 

Dirthamen and Falon'din - inseparable from birth, both are said to be the eldest children of Mythal and Elgar'nan. 

Based on the theory of solas being 3 gods... one twin absorbed the other. There can only be one.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[madrar]

So, just for the time being and for fun, does madrars theory then explain the origin of Fen'Harel? Because the others in the pantheon are the children of Mythal and Elgar'Nan, June created himself somehow and Ghilan'nain was adopted in. Where did Fen'Harel come from? I love the consistency in this theory, but not convinced just yet.

 

Hmm?  I'm not sure I understand the question.  According to Dalish myth, Dirthamen/Falon'Din were the offspring of Mythal and Algar'nan.

 

If you're asking about his particular Fen'Harel wolfy-body-ness, I'm fairly sure that was a "partial restoration" of sorts by the Pantheon after the monstrous form forced upon him as part of his punishment.  (Dread Wolf)  Once he's restored, Solas/Dirthamen/Falon'Din/Fen'Harel no longer gets his own temples or followers, but at least the imagery and statuary switches from monstrous, three-eyed feral wolf to adorable, fluffy-tame dog. 

 

yaaay.  I'm sure he was thrilled.

 

Anyway, it's always been him.  They're all him.  Same guy.

 

Falon'Din/Dirthamen -- becomes > Dread Wolf --becomes > Fen'Harel --becomes > Solas.

[Hedinve]

If you are right, your theory gives Fen'Harel an origin beyond "kin to both the old gods and the elven gods", as he does not have one, all the other gods have some clue to where the came from, Fen'Harel does not. If he is Falon'din/Dirthamen/Fen'Harel - one entity, three/four aspects bundled into one, he is Mythals son and thus we know his point of origin. It's just a tiny interesting (possible) consequence of your theory. 

[Nika]

It's true that the romance and the normal tarot ending cards are very different, but I don't think they're gonna make such a big difference just because you romanced him

Though I hope they would lol

The only time when we could potentially "harden" Solas is his personal quest, when you let him kill the mages or not