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[madrar]

Ok - with your last bit... If he were the child of a LOVER, not Elgar'nan, that could be a possibility. But if true, it would also serve to negate the Falon'Din/Dirthamen/Fen'Harel theory beyond the true-to-lore meaning of twin souls vs. actual twins. Falon'Din most certainly is a distinct entity and child of the Elgar'nan--Mythal union. Dirthamen, while parentage unknown, is certainly not of that same union.

Wait, wait, wait.  Wait.  What?  Why is Falon'Din a distinct entity and child of the Elgernan-Mythal union?  Did I miss something?

[Hedinve]

Wait, wait, wait.  Wait.  What?  Why is Falon'Din a distinct entity and child of the Elgernan-Mythal union?  Did I miss something?

 

According to elven myth he is the son of Mythal and Elgar'nan. Distinct because they are not really brothers but have a bond that has no parallel in Thedas now.

[Mims]

Ooh, very interesting speculations.

 

I am sure at least one or two of the gods are directly related. There's nothing to suggest they can't have kids, and Mythal does seem like the one most likely to produce an offspring. But I have a feeling Andruil/June/Sylalise might not actually be direct siblings. 

[madrar]

Calling him "son" knowing that he's about to kill you would be the FAR more emotional-knife thing to do, if that's your argument.

 

Heh, only if it were true.  ^w^   Otherwise, he'd just roll his eyes.  

 

Still.   Even if we managed to paint them as antagonistic frenemies, there's a really significant weight to this.  As insular and isolated as Solas is, Mythal is someone he has known for literal Ages.  Thousands and thousands of years.  Whatever he's going to do with this is going to be commensurate to that sacrifice.  

 

You can bet it's going to be big.

[Seregwen]

Yeah, he screams out "Ma'Vhenan!" when you fall in battle.

Does anyone have a clip of this? I have never heard it. I always thought I hear him yell "Fenhedis!" but never the Vhenan thing. Oh please make it be true!!!!!!!!

[madrar]

According to elven myth he is the son of Mythal and Elgar'nan. Distinct because they are not really brothers but have a bond that has no parallel in Thedas now.

*blinks*

 

Ok, but- as posted earlier, Dalish myth and reality have a really loose relationship, when they coincide at all.   Remember, we're not talking about actual Gods here- we're talking about a ruling class of mage-kings.  They had inter-alliances, yes, but I think you're taking the "family" relationship as presented in Dalish myth a wee bit too literally.

 

As for the "bond that has no parallel in Thedas now": that's a reference to the fact that Falon'Din is Dirthamen's fade-self, which is as much a part of him as his shadow.  Dirthamen is Falon'Din's source, if that makes any sense.  My own theory is that when the veil went up, for some reason all other mortals were partially severed from this "shadow" except for him, making him unique in the modern world, but representative of what might have come before.  

 

This makes me suddenly feel really, really weird about the pieces of fade that come through for mages, calling their name and begging for attention.  Scraps of their lost... fade shadows?  Trying to reach through?  Oh no.  No no no.   Stop the theory before it starts.  Walk away.  

[soragrey]

I don't think the Inquisitor was necessarily more before the Anchor.  I just suspect that whatever happened during the explosion that made the Breach, the Anchor, and being in the Fade all combined to do something.  I mean, he/she touched the Orb right in the middle of Cory's ritual.  We still don't know the extent of the orb's power.  And then Solas is always very concerned of the state of the Inquisitor's Spirit, asking if he/she has changed at all.  I probably just pay too much attention to the way things are worded, and how many times they are mentioned.

 

The game ended, and added more questions than answered any.  I've played BioWare games for too long I suspect, has me analyzing stuff that is more than likely as simple as being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

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There's also all the talk of the Inquisitor being "real".   We still don't know what exactly that means.  There's been some really great discussion about that.  General consensus seeming to be that the Veil having something to do with it.  I am guessing that the connection to the Fade via the Anchor has made the Inquisitor more like the ancient elves, which I have seen mentioned in this thread multiple times.

 

All that put together is why I think the Inquisitor is more.  Maybe not a spirit-human hybrid.  But something.  Look at how Seekers obtain their powers.  There's also Wynne, and her Spirit.  I forget the name of the Tranquil in Asunder that had tranquility reversed.  There's some connection there that I can't make.  There's something to spirits making people more than what they are.  And it is so darned late and my brain wants to sleep that I just can't explain it any better than this.  

 

And what Cole said about her being "Too bright"

[Oswin]

So, For Science™, I created a male Lavellan last night. Planning to romance Dorian (in my weird way, that's my reward to him for being my FemLavellan's BFF and sticking with her post-game UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE ).

 

I'm curious to see how the friendship - NOT romanced - path goes with Solas. Also will be interested to see if any dialogue shifts around based on that. Will report if anything interesting comes up. Also planning to have him drink from the Well (my FemLavellan let Morrigan do it), so I'm interested to see what all that changes as well.

 

For any curious, this is Revas. I actually feel a bit guilty because I'm sort of crushing really hard on him (sorrynotsorry, Solas ):

 

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Ginger mullet Lavellan appreciation from a fellow ginger mullet Lavellan player. Revas looks awesome

 

I may be the only person that saw it this way, but as someone who romanced Solas first and then ran with a bromance, the scenes in the fade and on the balcony still come off as strangely romantic. I'm guessing the non-romantic versions were made first and were to show him awkwardly admitting he respects you and is coming to see you as a friend (of which we known he has so many. Heh. Poor Solas). 

But thanks to my choice of first romance I now associate those as fade tongue and arm grab snogging moments. So now no matter who I have in that scene, I keep thinking Solas is hitting on them.

'That's cool, I'm totally gam-- oh you're leaving. That's totally fine,..' *heartbreak*

 

I'd be so screwed if this game didn't have race-gating and set sexualities. Oh boy. 

[Seregwen]

Solas art! (Placed under spoiler tag due to size)

 

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Source: http://purple-meow.d...Solas-505138226

 

 

Woof

[TanisLave]

I like how Solas is trying to be secretive about being the dread wolf. Yet he just goes, "you know what these paintings need, more wolves."

[Hedinve]

*blinks*

 

Ok, but- as posted earlier, Dalish myth and reality have a really loose relationship, when they coincide at all.   Remember, we're not talking about actual Gods here- we're talking about a ruling class of mage-kings.  They had inter-alliances, yes, but I think you're taking the "family" relationship as presented in Dalish myth a wee bit too literally.

 

As for the "bond that has no parallel in Thedas now": that's a reference to the fact that Falon'Din is Dirthamen's fade-self, which is as much a part of him as his shadow.  Dirthamen is Falon'Din's source, if that makes any sense.  My own theory is that when the veil went up, for some reason all other mortals were partially severed from this "shadow" except for him, making him unique in the modern world, but representative of what might have come before.  

 

 

No I wasn't taking anything as anything really, neither was Lizasaurus I think, it was a funny sidetrack, coupling your theory with dalish myth. It made Solas into Mythals son and that coincides with there being a line in the files of the stinger scene exclaiming "mother". I took your theory and ran with it. Your theory just spawned some "demon children" in my head   .And it enabled me to wonder about Solas' neutrality - not directly related to the family stuff, but as a tangent of that. My brain does some strange association jumps.

 

I don't have any theory that makes any sense as of yet, I just play with other peoples theories. Mostly in my head, this time it entered the thread and that might have been a bad idea as I never seem to get my tongue in cheek across.

[LliiraAnna]

And what Cole said about her being "Too bright"

I believe he was talking about the mark there. It's too bright to see the Inquisitor behind it.

 

Edit: no, the exact line really was "You are too bright". 

[Dr. Doctor]

I see the connection between him and the Forgotten Ones as stronger than him with Dirthamen and Falon'Din. And again, I'll repoint to this codex for whom I believe he has more chances of being than not:
It certainly leads credence to why he isn't presented with a face, unlike the rest of them. Perhaps its because he didn't have one, but many. Look at the Towers card, re-read that last paragraph, and tell me you see anything different!
Belongs to: means follower of, likely similar to Ghilal'nain and the situation with Andruil. But maybe - if looking at the codex entry - he was a "follower" of many. It's clear he had tried to cover his tracks with multiple Gods, whomever this entity was.

It could be that Solas was being completely truthful about his origins when the Inquisitor asked. He does remark that he was pretty arrogant and hot-headed in his youth, and if he went poking around the Fade looking for knowledge he might have stumbled across things that the nobility, would rather keep hidden.

[DragonRacer]

Ginger mullet Lavellan appreciation from a fellow ginger mullet Lavellan player. Revas looks awesome
 
I may be the only person that saw it this way, but as someone who romanced Solas first and then ran with a bromance, the scenes in the fade and on the balcony still come off as strangely romantic. I'm guessing the non-romantic versions were made first and were to show him awkwardly admitting he respects you and is coming to see you as a friend (of which we known he has so many. Heh. Poor Solas). 
But thanks to my choice of first romance I now associate those as fade tongue and arm grab snogging moments. So now no matter who I have in that scene, I keep thinking Solas is hitting on them.
'That's cool, I'm totally gam-- oh you're leaving. That's totally fine,..' *heartbreak*
 
I'd be so screwed if this game didn't have race-gating and set sexualities. Oh boy.

And rocking the Mythal vallaslin to boot... long lost brothers, perhaps?

 

The hair kills me. I love it and think it's perfect... even has a sort of David Bowie vibe... yet at the same time, it makes me think of him as the Joe Dirt of Thedas. 

[Sylvanfeather]

That official vallaslin chart, insane and awesome. I've been going with the June markings, which seems appropriate for my awkward, yet capable rogue character. Inspired inventions and excellent crafting skills? In a tween movie, that is the mark of the token nerd character; I'd certainly describe my Lavellan as the nerdy geek in her Inquisition.

 

This one is nothing special, but curious to observe. Notice how the tree-thingies in the tapestry resemble trees in the Crossroads?

 

I actually caught this myself the other day as well. They are the same style used in the Dead Hand puzzle and in the basement of that in the Dales. It's a nice tie together of all the elven symbols/themes throughout the game.

[Leliana]

Since people brought up the possibility of the Forgotten Ones being better than the Creators, I think it's interesting what you discover from the codex entries on the constellations from the astrariums. All the ones that depict Old Gods explain how they also seem to be modifications of the Elven gods (Creators), this makes more sense now that we know the Imperium didn't destroy Arlathan, they twisted their culture to their own advantage. 

 

It's quite interesting when Corypheus is on the brink of defeat you see how his faith in the Old Gods falters, "Dumat I beseech you if you exist or ever existed help your servant now." Just like how it is said the Elves called on the Creators when Arlathan was falling and no one answered them, not because they don't exist but because they were sealed away. 

[Mims]

I like how Solas is trying to be secretive about being the dread wolf. Yet he just goes, "you know what these paintings need, more wolves."

 

I love when you have him in his iconic outfit, wearing a wolf's jaw, wearing a giant piece of wolf's pelt wrapped around him. Nailed it, no one will ever suspect. 

[Addai]

I enjoy reading theories, though I'm not buying the two into one theory. TME spoilers follow...

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I think the stalker at the end of TME is either Falon'Din or Dirthamen and they're going to end up being the baddie bad to Solas' grey antagonist at some point. The keeper of secrets and the guide to the beyond both have reason to hate Felassan for helping Briala usurp their places, then having the audacity to almost bring up the one who locked them away.

About Mythal's temple, I also interpreted his surprise and his actions afterward as him realizing that Mythal is alive and he's got to either get off the dime or throw the dime away entirely. His weakness and the orb going to Corypheus possibly disrupted whatever channels they would have normally used to contact each other- or, as we now know, Mythal was holding off in seeking him out because she had to lay some groundwork first.

[zambixi]

*blinks*

 

Ok, but- as posted earlier, Dalish myth and reality have a really loose relationship, when they coincide at all.   Remember, we're not talking about actual Gods here- we're talking about a ruling class of mage-kings.  They had inter-alliances, yes, but I think you're taking the "family" relationship as presented in Dalish myth a wee bit too literally.

 

As for the "bond that has no parallel in Thedas now": that's a reference to the fact that Falon'Din is Dirthamen's fade-self, which is as much a part of him as his shadow.  Dirthamen is Falon'Din's source, if that makes any sense.  My own theory is that when the veil went up, for some reason all other mortals were partially severed from this "shadow" except for him, making him unique in the modern world, but representative of what might have come before.  

 

This makes me suddenly feel really, really weird about the pieces of fade that come through for mages, calling their name and begging for attention.  Scraps of their lost... fade shadows?  Trying to reach through?  Oh no.  No no no.   Stop the theory before it starts.  Walk away.  

 

The only problem I have with this is that if all mage-kings had Fade shadows, why did only Falon'Din and Dirthamen get converted into the Dalish theology that way. The gods should all have two sides then, and that does not seem to be the case. I feel the same way about the supposed-familial relationships. Not everyone is related to everyone: Sylaise, Andruil, and June are siblings. Elgar'nan and Mythal are the all-father and all-mother (respectively), and Falon'Din/Dirthamen is/are their child/children. That does not mean that those are the actual relationships, but the fact that some gods are described as x, y, z and others are not means there probably is something that differentiates them.

[BoscoBread]

So, For Science™, I created a male Lavellan last night. Planning to romance Dorian (in my weird way, that's my reward to him for being my FemLavellan's BFF and sticking with her post-game UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE ).

 

I'm curious to see how the friendship - NOT romanced - path goes with Solas. Also will be interested to see if any dialogue shifts around based on that. Will report if anything interesting comes up. Also planning to have him drink from the Well (my FemLavellan let Morrigan do it), so I'm interested to see what all that changes as well.

It's interesting and useful to friendmance Solas just to get a clearer picture of his character.  A romanced Lavellan seems to not pick up some hints that Solas is not all that he seems or something is up.  You have more opportunity to probe him - it's not much different but there is a bit of a hint that a romanced Lavellan has some blinders on.    

[Hedinve]

Thank you Zambixi, that was perfectly worded and exactly what I tried to say So please take my like as a 

[Oswin]

And rocking the Mythal vallaslin to boot... long lost brothers, perhaps?

 

The hair kills me. I love it and think it's perfect... even has a sort of David Bowie vibe... yet at the same time, it makes me think of him as the Joe Dirt of Thedas. 

 

Long lost brothers

I spent forever switching through all the hairs before going for something a bit 80's. It just seemed to match his personality and the Mythal vallaslins are probably my favourite of the bunch.

Although I don't know whether that will be what convinces me to get him to drink from the Well or not. I can't decide if it suits my headcanon for him. Eep. I'm making my way through all the sidequests while I think it over.

Argh.

The Well and what path to take with Cole are the two hardest decisions for me to make in this game. Forget about who rules Orlais or what happens to Hawke. A spirit and an ancient elven drink are my biggest DAI woes xD

[madrar]

The only problem I have with this is that if all mage-kings had Fade shadows, why did only Falon'Din and Dirthamen get converted into the Dalish theology that way. The gods should all have two sides then, and that does not seem to be the case. I feel the same way about the supposed-familial relationships. Not everyone is related to everyone: Sylaise, Andruil, and June are siblings. Elgar'nan and Mythal are the all-father and all-mother (respectively), and Falon'Din/Dirthamen is/are their child/children. That does not mean that those are the actual relationships, but the fact that some gods are described as x, y, z and others are not means there probably is something that differentiates them.

 

Er, no no.  Sorry- I wasn't clear on the timeline.  Whenever I'm talking about Elves-as-a-race and God-kings of Arlathan squabbling over followers, the veil is definitely up.  Very much so.  Very definitely talking about the concerns of a mortal realm.   By all accounts, the pre-veil fade-world was equally shaped to fit the whim of every sentient entity that existed.  No need to build a society to address concerns like food or basic shelter in that kind of environment- never mind complex political systems like the Pantheon.   They weren't useful- and thus didn't appear- until much, much later.  

 

That said, the distinction of Dirthamen retaining his fade-shadow in this post-veil world would have made him unique.  At that point, every other member of the pre-veil beings that became the elvish race had lost the connection to theirs.  

 

Why?  I have no idea.  I don't think we're given any threads to pull on here.

[Sable Rhapsody]

It's interesting and useful to friendmance Solas just to get a clearer picture of his character.  A romanced Lavellan seems to not pick up some hints that Solas is not all that he seems or something is up.  You have more opportunity to probe him - it's not much different but there is a bit of a hint that a romanced Lavellan has some blinders on.    

 

Even in his basic conversations (about himself, the Fade, etc.) the non-flirt options IMO challenge and question Solas way more than the flirt options.  And my Lavellan definitely had some serious blinders on, especially at the start.  She got better about not just deferring to Solas all the time, but it took a little while.

[Arlee]

Even in his basic conversations (about himself, the Fade, etc.) the non-flirt options IMO challenge and question Solas way more than the flirt options.  And my Lavellan definitely had some serious blinders on, especially at the start.  She got better about not just deferring to Solas all the time, but it took a little while.

 

Yea the Haven scene super bothers me... I just don't understand how she could possibly not realize they weren't actually in Haven, it was the first thought which occurred to me considering she had literally just buried Haven in a bunch of rubble