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Not sure if everyone saw this, but in regards to yesterday's Twitter uproar at David Gaider and Patrick Weekes...
 
http://dgaider.tumbl...-me-to-say-this
 
I find it a reasonable response to both sides of the argument.
 
(tehe, @Rabbitonfire: ridin' the same wavelength, I dig it.)
 
EDIT TO ADD:  Also, check out this beautiful recolor of the jam-jams Quizzy is forced to wear!  Im still holding out for a white one, but that purple one is GORGEOUS.

Poor Gaider, remember that tweet he posted yesterday and some people were up in arms about abuse? He had to explain on his tumblr that it was a joke.

Uh, I feel bad for the writers. But really, even if it is an abusive relationship should that mean it shouldn't be in the game? The Dragon Age games are very mature. They have real life parallels with religious discrimination, racism, sexual discrimination, and more. The heavy topics in moral gray areas make the game more real, at least for me. But, I for one, don't think we know enough about the Dorian and Iron Bull relationship to judge if it is abusive or unhealthy. What we take from it are a few banters, that's it.

Anywho @janesutin your Lavellan is very pretty by the way. She looks very similar to mine (I sound like a braggart) except for the hair color and vallaslin, my Lavellan has dark red hair and Dirthamen vallaslin.
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Not sure if everyone saw this, but in regards to yesterday's Twitter uproar at David Gaider and Patrick Weekes...
 
http://dgaider.tumbl...-me-to-say-this
 
I find it a reasonable response to both sides of the argument.
 
(tehe, @Rabbitonfire: ridin' the same wavelength, I dig it.)
 
EDIT TO ADD:  Also, check out this beautiful recolor of the jam-jams Quizzy is forced to wear!  Im still holding out for a white one, but that purple one is GORGEOUS.


Wow! Those jam-jams (lol) look good!!!
:'( Stupid consoles! I'll forever be forced to wear the same old beige jammies!

#48478
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I love Gaider! He's so snarky, I love it. Honestly, if I had to put up with even half of the things he puts up with from fans, I would be much more cynical than him. But I'ma leave it at that. 

 

On this thread: I wake up and there's endless more pages. xD 60 more pages until 2000. Are we having a celebration for bald elf nerd? 


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#48479
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I have a really hard time keeping up with this thread because the free time I have to browse forums has been cut back significantly, but can I still be the lurker who occasionally posts things and shows that she has no clue what's going on?  Or should I just stick with 100% lurker status? :P  I might even have some Solas doodles to share soon :)

 

Edit: Reading this thread has become a little intimidating because I'm always 50 pages behind but I still need my Solas fix from time to time!

 

Speak up when you can! Post stuff when able! It's nice to see faces from the Before Times pop up and say hi now and again. :)


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#48480
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EDIT: Aaah top page here's a Solas pic.

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Bitches love castles :D
I laugh every time I see that scene now
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I find it difficult to pick your words towards emotionally charged people. They really invest themselves into the romance.

 

Personally I'm really skeptical on players who don't expect drama in a bioware game. If you want a fluffy romance, play an otome- actually they always have that one mean character. never mind. 

 

I love the romances, and the drama. I think BioWare is incredible with it's writing.

 

I'm just not a big fan of how Gaider presents himself online... 


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#48482
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I feel like Gaider has a very... strong online persona. I know a lot of the time I cringe when I see he's written a post, and I think he just doesn't understand how he comes across to a lot of people.


I think he knows, but doesn't fully care. Not for nothing the characters he claims are most like him personality-wise (that I know of) are Morrigan from DAO and Fenris from DA2. I've read him claim in many interviews that their private, prickly, abrasive, b!tchy (his words) disposition and tendency to drive all but a very small group of close friends away is very much like him. When asked about writing characters fans will like, he's also mentioned many times that there's a freedom in writing a character you don't care if everyone likes.
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#48483
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Is it bad that I'm a little concerned for gaider posting this on tumblr? It's a platform notorious for their social justice advocates. 

 

I would know. I love art blogs on tumblr but I have to block quite a few tags to keep it politics-free. It's a love/hate relationship.



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Bitches love castles :D
I laugh every time I see that scene now

 

YEP.  Quick!  Someone make a meme!!!



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I find it difficult to pick your words towards emotionally charged people. They really invest themselves into the romance.

 

Personally I'm really skeptical on players who don't expect drama in a bioware game. If you want a fluffy romance, play an otome- actually they always have that one mean character. never mind. 

 

Ahaha, your last sentence made me laugh. :P Otome games are notoriously awful with consent and drama, and as the rating goes up everything just gets worse and worse. The drama isn't even interesting drama most of the time, it's usually just annoying and awful and lasts way longer than it needs to. 

 

I wish BioWare did visual novels, I bet they'd be good at it... 


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#48486
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If you don't take the romance route (I did that, for science) then after you wake up and go speak to him Solas makes it clear that you were dreaming when you spoke to him about himself.  Walking from Solas' study to Haven is just one of those things that happens in dreams.

 

Given as Solas was just hanging out in his study that means he was having a really boring dream.

 

Oh well that's rather interesting. My first character didn't talk to him much so I never did the Haven thing with him before I did it on my elf. Makes me feel a smidgen better about how things played out, but it's still a bit odd ;)


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Yes but isn't the Veil the one thing separating the Fade and the Real world? Like if you don't have the Veil then the Fade would become one with the real world. If this was the case then it could explain why ancient elves were all mages , and why they were able to perform amazing feats of magical use (like the floating castles). Mages could draw an amazing amount of power , they could shape reality if there was no Veil. This is what the elven "gods" did. They shaped reality.
It is why Solas feels so comfortable in the Fade and why he cares deeply for the spirits that inhabit the plane.
The Veil was created to cut off the "gods" from this kind of tremendous powers. or something else transpired that could be linked to Mythals murder.
I'm sure these events are all connected.
Ashe's theory about the connection between the Well of Sorrows and the darkspawn taint is very interesting indeed. 

 

 

OK, yes and this is what I get a bit tripped up over. There are a lot of little things that make this particular theory a bit confusing for me, and I'm not going to lay them out very well because I'm a bit distracted at the moment xD. First, Solas speaks as if elven civilization existed during this time-without-the-Veil, but Ashe's theory said they there were no elves, only dragons. I don't think the elves were all just dragons, that just seems farfetched and plus they are separate now anyway. When would that have happened? Why would it have happened? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

If the Fade didn't exist as it does today, it also seems strange that there would even be an elven Pantheon. Everyone would be able to shape reality, as people do in their dreams. Why would slaves be necessary, since one could conceivably just make the Fade do the jobs of the slaves (want water? POOF: water appears)? Why would civilization be necessary at all? How would the custom of Uthenara have evolved if there was no Fade? Why would Solas mention walking through the Fade as a child? How would the legends of Dreamers in Arlathan have come about? Why would Solas have so many artifacts that rip through the Veil to the Fade?

 

Keep in mind we don't have a Veil for something else that supposedly existed during the time of Arlathan: the Void. That just seems to exist elsewhere, and I think the Fade is a similar type of thing.

 

This theory is interesting, but I'm not convinced either. The devnote called Fen'Harel [Mythal's] eldest friend, so I'll stick to that. And to the elven gods = powerful mages theory. At least until given enough evidence to believe otherwise.   :)

 

I'm on the Gods-are-gods train. Well... gods are different. There's a crap-ton of talk about blood in DA lore. Everyone important has important magic blood. Alistair has it, Morrigan has it, elves have it, dragons have it, etc. Magic is carried down bloodlines, Qunari have some weird-ass blood thing going on. Blood can be tainted, its power can be used for magic and some blood is better for some magic than other blood. I think beyond being awesome mages, the elven gods have something that makes them more special and sets them apart from all of the other powerful mages that must have existed during that time. Because there definitely seems to be a you-have-it-or-you-don't specialness theme going on in DA.



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YEP.  Quick!  Someone make a meme!!!

 

Oh man already on Tumblr. lol. Different versions too. All of them funny. :)



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Has anyone seen this? OMG

 


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Speak up when you can! Post stuff when able! It's nice to see faces from the Before Times pop up and say hi now and again. :)

 

Thanks! :)  I have two small children and my DA time was uh... getting a little out of hand for a while and I had to cut back.  To catch up on fun topics I missed lately...

 

In my head, my Lavellan is 32 years old.  She's figured out who she is and what she wants out of life, been in love, lost people, and made mistakes.  Haha, now that I think of it I might actually have a crush on her :blush:

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Oh, and about when I started finding Solas attractive.  Big crush on him when they showed his first in-game screenshot, loved the old screenshot of him with violet eyes, was a little thrown by how different he looked in the images they posted on the official site after that but came around quickly.

 

"Solas: *chuckles* Was that a serious question?" <------ I knew I was in love and never falling out of it :P

 

And I'm sure this has been posted a bunch before but this is one of the funniest things I've seen on tumblr relating to Solas :lol:  Umm... bad language and stuff about other romances (not sure how other people feel about seeing that sort of stuff!)

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I'm probably way behind by the time I post this but I don't care. A chance to show off my Tiger Festival again for age appearances? I'm game, since I love her to pieces. She is absolutely my favorite character out of those I've ever made in the Dragon Age series. At least till next playthrough anyway.

For your (re)consideration:

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In my mind she is 30-something. Mostly because I have experience in that area, being 30-something myself. She's not supposed to look it though. I don't think any elves are supposed to "look it" really. But, this also makes Enalen the perfect elfy name for her under that pseudonym.

 

As to the new theories that have been posted overnight. You guys are amazing. A lot of this is too big for my brain right now since I haven't had my second cup of coffee yet, but the 3 in one theory can hold as much water as any of the others I figure. I don't find it all that upsetting. Not as much as I did when that creepy connection to Dumat made itself known. I'm both eager and scared of how this will all play out in the end. I just want Solas back. 

 

I imagine writers/devs peeking in on our theorycrafting right now:

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But even if the Elven gods are "just" powerful mages (and I've fully support this theory since finishing the game btw) they are still ridiculously powerful mages!! I mean, Flemeth is only a wisp of Mythal and she's already the most powerful witch that we know of... Quizzie is pretty amazing herself but her power is "stolen" from the orb.. I hope we can figure out what the source of power is for the Old gods/ Elven Gods


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I feel like Gaider has a very... strong online persona. I know a lot of the time I cringe when I see he's written a post, and I think he just doesn't understand how he comes across to a lot of people. 

 

Ah, when I saw that tweet I was guessing it had something to do with Dorian/Bull romance and the responses it has been bringing. So much heat from both sides that I'm guessing Weekes and Gaider weren't expecting when they it was added. They probably thought it was a fun idea. I'm one of those people who has been in an abusive relationship but didn't have strong feelings towards that couple. I was actually interested in reading both sides of the argument until someone threw out the whole 'you can easily leave an abusive relationship' argument and I sighed my way out. Not touching that argument any time soon. I hear it goes on a bit on Tumblr so Gaider probably keeps running into it. I'll stick to my ignorant bubble of happy for now. 

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But I can understand how Gaider often gets himself into these spots. I am not an emotionally charged person, I really struggle to empathise with most people and so I frequently stick my foot in it with my choice of words. 

The kind of passion that DA fans have for the characters/romances is an area of the gaming community I'm really new to. So this is all quite the learning experience for me. I'm enjoying it. It's part of the reason I love this thread so much. Things don't get heated, it's crazy friendly and I have a lot less fear of saying something catastrophic and starting a fight that brings all the 'THIS IS WHY WE HATE THE BSN' posts to Tumblr  :lol:


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pretty sure itime has passed to post this:

 

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http://erliinas.tumb...bo-apostate-dad


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So, my 2-month-long odyssey has been completed: The Definitive Guide to Activating Ancient Elven Artifacts

 

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I'm on the Gods-are-gods train. Well... gods are different. There's a crap-ton of talk about blood in DA lore. Everyone important has important magic blood. Alistair has it, Morrigan has it, elves have it, dragons have it, etc. Magic is carried down bloodlines, Qunari have some weird-ass blood thing going on. Blood can be tainted, its power can be used for magic and some blood is better for some magic than other blood. I think beyond being awesome mages, the elven gods have something that makes them more special and sets them apart from all of the other powerful mages that must have existed during that time. Because there definitely seems to be a you-have-it-or-you-don't specialness theme going on in DA.

 

Ima gonna have to disagree.  :P  Cause even Solas says he does't believe in the Elven gods...and he's supposed to be one. Nothing wrong with having that theory that they are but I am totally on a different train here.  :)


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#48497
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I have a really hard time keeping up with this thread because the free time I have to browse forums has been cut back significantly, but can I still be the lurker who occasionally posts things and shows that she has no clue what's going on?  Or should I just stick with 100% lurker status? :P  I might even have some Solas doodles to share soon :)

 

Edit: Reading this thread has become a little intimidating because I'm always 50 pages behind but I still need my Solas fix from time to time!

 

You're not allowed to lurk 100%!  I will not allow it!

 

Edit: You're like my brain twin!



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Oh man already on Tumblr. lol. Different versions too. All of them funny. :)

 

Ooh, I can haz links, please? (not good at navigating Tumblr...)

 

Edit: Will try anyway...



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Ima gonna have to disagree.  :P  Cause even Solas says he does't believe in the Elven gods...and he's supposed to be one. Nothing wrong with having that theory that they are but I am totally on a different train here.  :)

I believe that the "gods" were powerful mages, but I also agree that there should have been something that set them apart from others (everybody had magic, right?). I'm just not sure what it was. 


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I believe that the "gods" were powerful mages, but I also agree that there should have been something that set them apart from others (everybody had magic, right?). I'm just not sure what it was. 

 

Really I think they were just more powerful than the rest and though everybody had magic whoever was a slave to some "Elven god" was not shown how to be more powerful as them...that's my guess.