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[BoscoBread]

GUYS!

 

I would play this. I would play this and probably like it more than DA:I.  Dating Sims are my jam. 

[Avejajed]

Ima gonna have to disagree.    Cause even Solas says he does't believe in the Elven gods...and he's supposed to be one. Nothing wrong with having that theory that they are but I am totally on a different train here. 

 

 

All he says is that they may not be exactly "gods" though, his opinion hardly counts. He may not want to admit that's exactly what he is. For all intents and purposes though that's how our elves would see him and that's how he's been worshiped for 10000000 years. God or not to begin with, he is now.

[Ispan]

Just so you guys know, it's actually been really hard to come back to this thread since posting the speculation about Sera being a Vessel on tumblr.  I know there are risks involved with putting yourself out there and saying something not everyone agrees with but could we avoid... mocking it?  At least in this thread, maybe?  Everyone's obviously entitled to their own opinions but my friend and I put a lot of thought and effort into that speculation and it was presented as a fun possibility and not fact, so maybe stick to politely disagreeing?  I've enjoyed posting in this thread for a very long time because it's been a warm and encouraging place

 

What's the harm in having fun and speculating, anyway.

 

Here, have a Solas.

[TanisLave]

If people are speculating Sandal is a old god, no harm in speculating Sera is Andruil : P

[Avejajed]

No offense, but I find this theory ridiculous.  (And I'm an artist too, but my medium is precious metal and gemstones.)  A drawn bow is a drawn bow is a drawn bow.  What other shape could it take?

 

End of story.

 

 

Heyyyyyyyyyyyy.

 

We're accepting of all theories,  far-fetched or not in this thread, aren't we? No matter how ridiculous we might think it is?

[Aetheria]

Hmm. I never actually sat down and decided how old my Inquisitor was, but I think she's quite young - maybe 21 or so? In my head she's sort of Merrill-ish at the beginning of the game, all wide-eyed, naive and precocious, and has to do a lot of growing up in a very short time after things go boom at the conclave.

Spoiler

Reviewing my screenshots, I think she looks actually a bit older than I wanted - mostly because of the complexion setting I picked and the eyeshadow. (I don't know why but eye makeup makes people look more "mature" to me...) I'm thinking of recreating her for my nightmare playthrough, and will probably tweak those if I do.

 

Also, a bit off-topic - I stumbled across this a few days ago, it's actually kind of helpful if you're trying to recreate a character you don't have sliders for: http://www.reddit.co...ulling_sliders/

[zambixi]

pretty sure itime has passed to post this:

 

 

http://erliinas.tumb...bo-apostate-dad

 

Is this Solas + son or Solas + Quizzie mocking him for being paternal? Because I really want fluffy fanart of Solas + offspring in my life.

 

I'm leaning closer to this theory than the "just powerful mages" part.

 

If the DAO Warden asks Alistair if the Archdemon is a dragon, he'll say "I'm not sure if it's a dragon, but it sure looks like one." Later, you learn that there really is the soul of an Old God within it to make it so intelligent, dangerous and powerful. If you talk to DAI Varric about red lyrium, he says "the red stuff is lyrium the way a dragon is a lizard." (I know, we learn it's tainted with the Blight, but bear with me.)

 

It seems there are different tiers of power and magic and souls as well as blood. Archdemons > mere dragons, red lyrium > normal lyrium, dragons > lizards. Whether or not the ancient beings that inspired the "elven god" pantheon were true gods as modern mortals have come to understand it, or extraordinarily powerful beings to garner the reputation, I'd like to think there was some essence, soul, or what-have-you to put them on a higher playing field than mortals.

 

People latch onto Solas speculating that they could have been powerful mages, but he also theorized "spirits, or something else we've never seen." We've seen there are "special" Old God spirits that pack more punch than regular spirits (like the Old God soul from Morrigan's ritual), and there's still the possibility of something greater that we have not yet seen. In Witch Hunt, Morrigan tells the Warden that she had thought Flemeth an abomination, but she's actually something much greater, something we've never seen. In DAI, we learn that this is true; Flemeth has the soul of an ancient elven god, which we had not seen yet. Now Solas speculates the ancient elven gods themselves might be something "we've never seen," so there's a possibility

 

That's a possibility, yes. However, we do not know if the elven gods were born/created/whatever different, or if they somehow gained the power and became more powerful than the others. People suggested they might have been a product of an elf/spirit fusion. So basically, yes, I agree that there was something different about them. But I am not sure if they were different from the start. 

 

I'm not 100% certain they were different from the start either... I'm about 50/50 on it. According to legend: Elgar'nan was born from the Sun and the Land meeting, Mythal was born from the Earth's tears after Elgar'nan threw a hissy fit. Falon'Din/Dirthamen were maybe/maybe not born from Elgar'nan/Mythal. June created himself, and Andruil/Sylaise were sisters that grew up together. Ghilan'nain was elevated from one of the people.

 

Like when we were talking about Falon'Din, I don't believe that these creation narratives are the Truth, but I think the fact that they differ and that only one member of the pantheon seems to have ascended while the rest were born/created is important. Why is there a distinction? Could the power of the initial gods have been so great that no one challenged the idea that they had always existed? Had they just been in power for far longer than Ghilan'nain and people forgot that they had once been the same?

 

Then I find Fen'Harel to be puzzling. Solas does not seek power selfishly. He will do so because he has a purpose, but he is not generally ambitious. Could he have once been, I guess but I don't really see that. If he'd been trying to get power, whatever he did to the other gods would have benefited him personally and it does not seem like it has. We do not get an origin story for the Dread Wolf at all: he simply is. He did not come from the pantheon or from the Forgotten ones, so how did he get his power? It seems like it would be in a way that was different from the other gods since he is different from them. Did he discover it while wandering the Fade as a child? It's pure speculation because we have absolutely no information other than what he says about maybe growing up in a tiny village.

 

Anyway....circle back around to whether or not they are gods and I think it can go either way. I think Solas does not consider them gods, because he knows the extent of their power, their flaws, and their mortality or lack thereof. But there's not like a concrete definition that you can make a checklist against and go "god - yep. god - nope".  At what point does someone or something have enough power to be considered divine anyway? So I think they could totally exist in a weird space of being gods and not gods at the same time >.>

[BoscoBread]

All he says is that they may not be exactly "gods" though, his opinion hardly counts. He may not want to admit that's exactly what he is. For all intents and purposes though that's how our elves would see him and that's how he's been worshiped for 10000000 years. God or not to begin with, he is now.

I think that's the key though. What even is a god?  There is a banter between him and Cassandra where he says he does believe in the elven gods but doesn't really think of them as gods unless you stretch the definition to the point of absurdity.  So like they weren't gods - not in the same way people view the Maker as this omniscent all-powerful non-human beings.  How I view him and the others: Sort of like how Pharaohs were worshipped as god-kings.  People imbued him and his kind with divinity because they were powerful but at the end of the day they really are just people.   They can be killed in a manner of speaking. They can make mistakes.  They were born into the world much like anyone else.   Sort of like your Inquisitor.  In 1000 years people may be calling her/him the messiah.  Depending on how you play him/her - you may agree with that sentiment - or you think 'no this was a misfired spell and i was just in the right place at the wrong time'.     So I guess I agree and disagree with you. 

[Tielis]

If you look at your chart in a mythological sense then you see where Bioware got their inspiration from. The Greek Gods and Goddesses. Hera led the other Gods and Goddesses against Zeus...Mythal did the same to Elgar'nan.

 

So tell me would these Elven Gods not equal the Greek Gods and Goddesses when presented like this:

 

Elgar'nan=Zeus-Strongest of the Olympians.

Mythal=Hera-Motherhood and equal to Zeus.

June=Hephaestus-God of Forge and things associated with forges.

Sylaise=Hestia-Goddess of Hearth and Home

Andruil=Artemis-Goddess of the Hunt

Ghilal'Nain=Aphrodite-Beauty/Peace

Falon'Din=Hades-Death

Dirthamen=Athena-Wise and often knew of deceit/was revolted by it.

Fen'Harel=Hermes-Messenger of the Gods, and was extremely cunning.

 

Absolutely, and I think the DA writers are counting on this fact.  The myths are so old and so integral to our history that they are part of us -- and we react very emotionally to them whether we think about it or not.

[TanisLave]

PS. Why was everyone worried that Solas could perhaps be a Villain in the next game?.. I didn't listen to the interview, but I read the bullet points and nothing really changed my mind on Anti-hero type person, who's morally grey. Just wondering why It suddenly made people worried? 

[Andir]

I think the gods were mages but something more. Okay, I suck at theories but this is just going off what we know from the developer notes. *spoilers if you don't want to read the dev notes on the mythal/solas scene* Solas said in a conversation once that being immortal was just part of being elven at some point. I think that elves had a magical "property" if you will that granted them this. That's why Flemythal could pass this to Morrigan theoretically. I think the gods had a magical "property" that most elves didn't have, the "power" that Flemythal passed on to Solas, and this set them apart from other elves and mages. Soo in a sense they were powerful mages, but maybe more? I can only describe it as "property" because I don't know how to put it into words. Essence maybe? IDK

 

Oh god I told you I was bad at theorizing. You were warned! xD

[Janic99]

It's been done on tumblr, found it again!

http://geekeryshenan...olery-based-off

 

& welcome back Ispan, good to see you

Or if you would've gone a couple of pages back I already posted this hahahha

[Rabbitonfire]

Is this Solas + son or Solas + Quizzie mocking him for being paternal? Because I really want fluffy fanart of Solas + offspring in my life.

 It's inquisitor and Solas. It was one of those awkward situations as calling your teacher "mom".

[Arahnea]

Elgar'nan seems like a class A ******* to me Like a sadist superjock ..

Also his full face valaslin is the most hardcore of them all, try imagining getting that tattoo on your face 0_o

[Roxy]

All he says is that they may not be exactly "gods" though, his opinion hardly counts. He may not want to admit that's exactly what he is. For all intents and purposes though that's how our elves would see him and that's how he's been worshiped for 10000000 years. God or not to begin with, he is now.

 

He said " I don't believe they were gods no but I believe they existed."  Meaning they weren't gods but something else and I lean toward powerful mages also that they are real not a myth. Everybody has their own opinion.

 

Also of course he's not going to tell us who he is, some powerful mage that is known to be a god. He might have not told us about himself but I believe Solas not to be a liar. 

Modifié par Roxy, 06 janvier 2015 - 07:55 .

[SamanthaJ]

Personally, I'm inclined to believe Solas when he says they aren't 'gods'. Maybe they are in the sense that Thor (I'm talking Marvel movies here) is a 'god'. I do think they were something more than powerful mages, however. Solas says powerful mages, spirits, or something else entirely. I'm still stuck on this meaning that they're possibly a combination of all three.

[Sashimi_taco]

Dear god.

 

 

Well i'm working on a video of all the things that Cole and Solas say to her. And I'm not sure if she is connected to andruil. BUT she has a connection to the fade. 

 

Cole basically says she does and she gets very upset when he points it out.

[Rabbitonfire]

PS. Why was everyone worried that Solas could perhaps be a Villain in the next game?.. I didn't listen to the interview, but I read the bullet points and nothing really changed my mind on Anti-hero type person, who's morally grey. Just wondering why It suddenly made people worried? 

I'm not worried. I like it. I never romanced a villain before.

 

http://caboodledoodl...lly-in-the-fade

[jawsisinmywc]

PS. Why was everyone worried that Solas could perhaps be a Villain in the next game?.. I didn't listen to the interview, but I read the bullet points and nothing really changed my mind on Anti-hero type person, who's morally grey. Just wondering why It suddenly made people worried? 

I am not very worried because in the NA interview the interviewers said something like "he is going to be the next big-bad" and Weekes was like "he has the possibility of being the next big-bad". I think he will cause some trouble but my gut feeling (for whatever it's worth) is that that he won't be a bad guy per se.

[SleepyBird]

Just so you guys know, it's actually been really hard to come back to this thread since posting the speculation about Sera being a Vessel on tumblr.  I know there are risks involved with yourself out there and saying something not everyone agrees with but could we avoid... mocking it?  At least in this thread, maybe?  Everyone's obviously entitled to their own opinions but a lot of thought and effort was put into that speculation and it was presented as a fun possibility and not fact, so maybe stick to politely disagreeing?  I've enjoyed posting in this thread for a very long time because it's been a warm and encouraging place

 

What's the harm in having fun and speculating, anyway.

 

Here, have a Solas.

So I've been trying to give some thought to why I respond just so negatively to the theories about Sera as Andruil (although I hope I have always come across as simply disagreeing and not mocking), and it comes down to three basic ideas that bother me. 

 

1.) It's bad storytelling, Not everyone can be surprisingly revealed to be something more than they are. That is boring, cheap and repetative. One well-thought out character turning out to have a huge secret is fun. Everyone turning out to secretly be a god is eye-roll inducing. It stops being about character and instead simply becomes a series of narrative gotcha's.

 

2.) It cheapens the Solas reveal. If everyone's a god, it's meaningless for any one person in particular to be a god. To quote the Incredibles: "If everyone's special than no one is."

 

3.) It's a betrayal of Sera's values and character. She values being one of the "little people" more than anything. For her to secretly be a god would ruin everything people love about her.

[jawsisinmywc]

Well i'm working on a video of all the things that Cole and Solas say to her. And I'm not sure if she is connected to andruil. BUT she has a connection to the fade. 

 

Cole basically says she does and she gets very upset when he points it out.

 Maybe she is a mage in denial like Dalish (one of the chargers) and she did some bad things on accident with her magic, which is why she is so scared of it. Her greatest fear is the "Nothing" so maybe she has a fear of the fade? I dunno.

[NightSymphony]

More Solas art.. safe for work.

 

http://kojuls.devian...-Wolf-505153905

 

http://renavie.devia...orget-505157030

[LliiraAnna]

PS. Why was everyone worried that Solas could perhaps be a Villain in the next game?.. I didn't listen to the interview, but I read the bullet points and nothing really changed my mind on Anti-hero type person, who's morally grey. Just wondering why It suddenly made people worried? 

As far as I remember, people were more worried about his story getting a very-very bad/sad ending because of the "his story is supposed to be sad" stuff. 

[SamanthaJ]

Aren't elves supposed to be special? Isn't there supposed to be something innately magical about elves? Isn't it possible that the magical inclination that Sera shows is just the natural inclination towards magic that elves are meant to have? Solas says elves can sometimes feel the language even if they can't understand the vocabulary or whatever. I think he was just trying to bring out in Sera the qualities that makes elves 'elven' (is it spelled elven or elvhen I don't know anymore). 

[Roxy]

Aren't elves supposed to be special? Isn't there supposed to be something innately magical about elves? Isn't it possible that the magical inclination that Sera shows is just the natural inclination towards magic that elves are meant to have? Solas says elves can sometimes feel the language even if they can't understand the vocabulary or whatever. I think he was just trying to bring out in Sera the qualities that makes elves 'elven' (is it spelled elven or elvhen I don't know anymore). 

 

It's frustrating but I just go with Elven lol 

 

I think Elves have this connection to one another..but I'm not 100% sure on that.