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[scintilla]

PS. Why was everyone worried that Solas could perhaps be a Villain in the next game?.. I didn't listen to the interview, but I read the bullet points and nothing really changed my mind on Anti-hero type person, who's morally grey. Just wondering why It suddenly made people worried? 

 

He's no more likely to be a villain after the interview than he was before. All PW did was confirm that Solas will do terrible things for a cause he believes is right, that the character is morally grey, and that his story is a sad one. I guess people were resistant to the idea that Solas would cause harm in the name of achieving his goals though, which is where the idea that he may be an antagonist comes from. It really depends on what he's doing and how much collateral damage he might cause.

 

People were more upset about how sad his story is intended to be. That can mean in the context of DAI, which is likely all they were talking about. But it could also apply to his story overall, which would mean an inevitable bad end for Solas.

 

I am not very worried because in the NA interview the interviewers said something like "he is going to be the next big-bad" and Weekes was like "he has the possibility of being the next big-bad". I think he will cause some trouble but my gut feeling (for whatever it's worth) is that that he won't be a bad guy per se.

 

That was actually for DAI, not the next game. Solas can be considered the villain for giving Corypheus the orb, if that's how the player chooses to see things.

[Avejajed]

He said " I don't believe they were gods no but I believe they existed."  Meaning they weren't gods but something else and I lean toward powerful mages also that they are real not a myth. Everybody has their own opinion.

 

Also of course he's not going to tell us who he is, some powerful mage that is known to be a god. He might have not told us about himself but I believe Solas not to be a liar. 

 

Haha, and it's totally okay to disagree with me.

 

Basically I just think it doesn't matter what they started as (spirit, mage, demonfromouterspace)- after 1,000 + years of being worshiped as gods, amassing (even if it's dormant) power, living as immortals, and being generally BAMFs- they might as well be gods now.

[Willow_Elessidil]

Afternoon to my fellow Broken Hearts,

 

The sims chat link is now listed in the first post if you need an easy way to find it, (thank you MJ)

 

It is open for everyone suffering from the Solas heartbreak:

 

http://us20.chatzy.com/16531445744795

 

Password: lavellan

 

GUYS!

 

 

Even, watching that half awake made me laugh. xD

[zambixi]

PS. Why was everyone worried that Solas could perhaps be a Villain in the next game?.. I didn't listen to the interview, but I read the bullet points and nothing really changed my mind on Anti-hero type person, who's morally grey. Just wondering why It suddenly made people worried? 

 

I think it's the talk about putting in the romance to make Solas "sadder" and the apology to Solasmancers that gets people. It made it seem a little like there wasn't going to be a happy resolution, which makes it more likely that Solas could be a villain.

 

But in retrospect maybe not, because it's not like Weekes can reveal what's going to happen in the future, and there's always the chance that they could tweak things along the way.

 

Well i'm working on a video of all the things that Cole and Solas say to her. And I'm not sure if she is connected to andruil. BUT she has a connection to the fade. 

 

Cole basically says she does and she gets very upset when he points it out.

 

I don't think she is Andruil, but I won't be shocked if she's connected to her in some way. There have been crazier theories on this thread that no one has mocked so I don't quite understand why people jump on the Sera one so fervently.

[Janic99]

So Lavellan sharing.. I did actually show this already this picture but let's SHARE! My Lavellan is about... 22-25 years old.

[Rabbitonfire]

 Maybe she is a mage in denial like Dalish (one of the chargers) and she did some bad things on accident with her magic, which is why she is so scared of it. Her greatest fear is the "Nothing" so maybe she has a fear of the fade? I dunno.

She's a parent killer. She killed her own parents! She's an orphan!

[Sable Rhapsody]

He's no more likely to be a villain after the interview than he was before. All PW did was confirm that Solas will do terrible things for a cause he believes is right, that the character is morally grey, and that his story is a sad one. I guess people were resistant to the idea that Solas would cause harm in the name of achieving his goals though, which is where the idea that he may be an antagonist comes from. It really depends on what he's doing and how much collateral damage he might cause.

 

See, I got that "for the greater good" vibe pretty strongly from him in-game.  His banter with Blackwall about the healer having the bloodiest hands, his conversation with Sera about the Jennies, the list goes on and on.  He approves of kindness, but he's also ok with more ruthless actions (like conscripting the templars) if it's done with consideration and the Inquisitor isn't just being thuggish.  I don't think bloodying his hands to achieve his goals is beyond him at all.

[Janic99]

And I personally love this picture since we share art



 

[LliiraAnna]

See, I got that "for the greater good" vibe pretty strongly from him in-game.  His banter with Blackwall about the healer having the bloodiest hands, his conversation with Sera about the Jennies, the list goes on and on.  He approves of kindness, but he's also ok with more ruthless actions (like conscripting the templars) if it's done with consideration and the Inquisitor isn't just being thuggish.  I don't think bloodying his hands to achieve his goals is beyond him at all.

From his banter with Iron Bull:

 

Solas: Unless the fight is personal, violence is a means to an end. It isn't appropriate to celebrate.

[Avejajed]

So Lavellan sharing.. I did actually show this already this picture but let's SHARE! My Lavellan is about... 22-25 years old.

 

 

Oh she's pretty!!! I wish I could take good pictures of mine.

[Janic99]

Oh she's pretty!!! I wish I could take good pictures of mine.

Thank you x3 I always try to make good looking characters XD Takes forever for me to create them

[NightSymphony]

hehehe...this is so cute!

 

http://liliumsnow.de...-Gods-498962300

[Rabbitonfire]

I don't think she is Andruil, but I won't be shocked if she's connected to her in some way. There have been crazier theories on this thread that no one has mocked so I don't quite understand why people jump on the Sera one so fervently.

There was nothing particular about the Sera theory any more than the other theories posted here. If I had time, I would draw up something for every single one of them. but time constraints and reactions differ. Unfortunately making light of everything isn't the best thing to do so I better limit it.

[NightSymphony]

And even more art cuteness!!  Lavellan has the booty. :-P

 

http://liliumsnow.de...Booty-503182597

[Addai]

So I've been trying to give some thought to why I respond just so negatively to the theories about Sera as Andruil (although I hope I have always come across as simply disagreeing and not mocking), and it comes down to three basic ideas that bother me. 
 
1.) It's bad storytelling, Not everyone can be surprisingly revealed to be something more than they are. That is boring, cheap and repetative. One well-thought out character turning out to have a huge secret is fun. Everyone turning out to secretly be a god is eye-roll inducing. It stops being about character and instead simply becomes a series of narrative gotcha's.
 
2.) It cheapens the Solas reveal. If everyone's a god, it's meaningless for any one person in particular to be a god. To quote the Incredibles: "If everyone's special than no one is."
 
3.) It's a betrayal of Sera's values and character. She values being one of the "little people" more than anything. For her to secretly be a god would ruin everything people love about her.

I don't yet buy the theory, but it's got some interesting support. I don't see it as repetitive, however, because if she is connected to Andruil, it's as a rather unwilling and unhealthy host, which brings up the biggest objection I have to the theory- Flemeth's statement that the unwilling can't be possessed. However we do know that people can become possessed without realizing that that's what they're doing. So conceivably Sera could have heard "Andraste" talking and accepted a bargain of sorts and ended up with an elven god's wisp essence in her who's now driving her mad. This would make her, not a repetition of Solas' story, but a contrast. Solas even gives support to it when he says "she is apart from herself." She's not integrated as she should be.

Again, I'm not saying I buy it, but something is going on with her.

[Janic99]

Solas x Ellana Lavellan - In my veins

I hope you like it. I am making these videos for all Solas lovers 

[TanithAeyrs]

Just to add more fuel to the fire (and this has probably already been said but I can't keep up with the rate this thread moves):

 

Solas has a dialog where he says that at least Sera takes action instead of just watching unlike himself (paraphrased).

 

Could his great mistake be that he failed to act when he had knowledge that could have prevented the fall of Arlathan, ect?  That confining the Gods was the only solution because he failed to warn them or act before things got out of hand?  I could see young Solas ignoring a difficult confrontation or disturbing evidence because it would interfere with his fun.  The regret and angst that would generate after a few millennium to think on it....

[zambixi]

And I personally love this picture since we share art



 

 

Please source the art! That way we can lavish attention on the artist and they will be inclined to make more Solavellan art!

 

Source: http://al-teya.tumbl...-fade-ma-vhenan

[Tielis]

I lost my post to a refresh and so all of my eloquence is going out the window with it.

 

Has anyone mentioned in the 1931+ pages of this thread the possibility of the Inquisitor being one of these spirit-human hybrids? I mean, the only two people Solas goes out of his way to repeatedly mention that they are unique are Cole and the Inquisitor.
 

That whole conversation on the balcony bookended with his keeping the mark from killing you while you slept in the beginning to reinforcing your uniqueness and ability to draw him from the fade... It just makes me question. I mean, asking you if the mark hasn't changed you in some way - your personality, your.. spirit is pretty fishy. That sense of off-ness is reinforced by his repeated telling you of how he is impressed by your wisdom, the subtley of your actions things he hasn't seen since... his deepest journeyings into the earliest memories of the fade. (Seriously. MOST. SHIFTY. EYED. LIE. HE. PULLS. OFF. IN. THE. WHOLE. DAMN. GAME.)

 

He might as well have told you through deduction, "Hey bra, the anchor in your hand is kinda influencing you like a spirit. An ancient spirit. Most likely of wisdom. Who may or may not have been the reformed spirit of an ancient Elvhen because when people or things have shaped enough memories and people they reform even though they died. Into something different that might not remember me. But I remember. Also... I'm way attracted to you as a person and have been flirting with you blatantly since you woke up. And I love you. Like, two kisses in, I love you. To the point it might destroy me. So if this all seems a little fast to you, it's because this spirit might be someone I've known. Biblically. Chantically. At some point."

I dunno. Just can't shake that feeling of something being super freaking odd in those interactions. Like... you're something more than what you are, you just don't know it yet. And he's certainly not going to tell you.

 

Yeah, my straight male rogue Lavellan was kind of squicked out a bit after the whole Fade-Haven thing.  It's just so... intimate, even without a kiss.  Seriously, if somebody told me that they consciously contacted me in my dreams (or vice versa) I'd feel very violated, especially if they were not of my sexual orientation.  But I suppose a mage inquisitor would be better prepared for this.

 

And then Solas is on the balcony in the inquisitor's room pretty much telling him he's special.  Again, my male Lavellan was like "dude stop stalking me I'm not interested".  

[Solas]

OP updated

[Kittn]

If you look at your chart in a mythological sense then you see where Bioware got their inspiration from. The Greek Gods and Goddesses. Hera led the other Gods and Goddesses against Zeus...Mythal did the same to Elgar'nan.

 

So tell me would these Elven Gods not equal the Greek Gods and Goddesses when presented like this:

 

Elgar'nan=Zeus-Strongest of the Olympians.

Mythal=Hera-Motherhood and equal to Zeus.

June=Hephaestus-God of Forge and things associated with forges.

Sylaise=Hestia-Goddess of Hearth and Home

Andruil=Artemis-Goddess of the Hunt

Ghilal'Nain=Aphrodite-Beauty/Peace

Falon'Din=Hades-Death

Dirthamen=Athena-Wise and often knew of deceit/was revolted by it.

Fen'Harel=Hermes-Messenger of the Gods, and was extremely cunning.

 

It's been a long time since my days in Latin class where we knew all the workings of the Roman (and therefore greek) pantheon, but this does remind me of the parallels I see with Norse/Asgardian stuff. Particularly:

 

Odin/Allfather = Elgar'nan.

Frigga = Mythal

 

Of course that would make Falon'din Thor. He may not have had the physical strength, but his ego was at least equal to it, if Solas is to be believed, and, like Thor it doomed him to a fall. That would then make Dirthamen our Loki. The adopted brother. The Master of secrets. That last bit also fits Fen'harel of course. With this parallel, and the three in one theory posed I have been playing with the idea that instead of Falon'din+Dirthamen (dual entity, single being) > Dread Wolf > Fen'harel, it was instead Dirthamen > Dread Wolf > Fen'harel > Solas.

 

He may have even instigated Falon'din's fall, the same way Loki pushed his brother. Another interesting parallel is that Frigga and Loki were close in the Asgardian lore (Cinematic Universe). He was her favored, even though he wasn't her biological son. Mythal's reaction to Solas in the stinger still strikes me as a mother being approached by her remorseful, guilt striken son. One she might have favored in spite of every bad decision he made.

 

I think him being Fen'harel is enough for me to seriously gnaw at for now, though. It is fun to consider the possibilities that he's even more than that, but what will it really matter? At risk of sounding super selfish, all I really want right now is a sign that there's a chance for that fairytale happy ending for my Lavellan somewhere in these legends, myths and demi-god connections.

 

But also? Loki is a sexy beast in the MCU, and that's always important.

[Arlee]

See, I got that "for the greater good" vibe pretty strongly from him in-game.  His banter with Blackwall about the healer having the bloodiest hands, his conversation with Sera about the Jennies, the list goes on and on.  He approves of kindness, but he's also ok with more ruthless actions (like conscripting the templars) if it's done with consideration and the Inquisitor isn't just being thuggish.  I don't think bloodying his hands to achieve his goals is beyond him at all.

 

I think his thing about conscripting the Templars is less to do with "For the greater good" and more to with his opinion about organizations and how the often function. Also I don't think he's so much "for the greater good" exactly. His views on the Wardens certainly would seem to conflict with that. Not to say his intentions aren't good, I just don't see him as possibly being to the point of anything for the greater good is worthwhile.

[Avejajed]

I am so annoyed that I no longer get notifications when I'm quoted.

 

How am I supposed to know if I've been quoted so I can respond! UGH!

[Arlee]

I am so annoyed that I no longer get notifications when I'm quoted.

 

How am I supposed to know if I've been quoted so I can respond! UGH!

 

Lol, I was just thinking I wish the forums would do that

[Tielis]

I don't think the Inquisitor was necessarily more before the Anchor.  I just suspect that whatever happened during the explosion that made the Breach, the Anchor, and being in the Fade all combined to do something.  I mean, he/she touched the Orb right in the middle of Cory's ritual.  We still don't know the extent of the orb's power.  And then Solas is always very concerned of the state of the Inquisitor's Spirit, asking if he/she has changed at all.  I probably just pay too much attention to the way things are worded, and how many times they are mentioned.

 

The game ended, and added more questions than answered any.  I've played BioWare games for too long I suspect, has me analyzing stuff that is more than likely as simple as being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

edit:

There's also all the talk of the Inquisitor being "real".   We still don't know what exactly that means.  There's been some really great discussion about that.  General consensus seeming to be that the Veil having something to do with it.  I am guessing that the connection to the Fade via the Anchor has made the Inquisitor more like the ancient elves, which I have seen mentioned in this thread multiple times.

 

All that put together is why I think the Inquisitor is more.  Maybe not a spirit-human hybrid.  But something.  Look at how Seekers obtain their powers.  There's also Wynne, and her Spirit.  I forget the name of the Tranquil in Asunder that had tranquility reversed.  There's some connection there that I can't make.  There's something to spirits making people more than what they are.  And it is so darned late and my brain wants to sleep that I just can't explain it any better than this.  

 

Honestly, we see the inquisitor being touched by a spirit in the very beginning of the game.  The spirit reaches for him/her to save him/her from the demonspiders and s/he grabs the spirit's hand with his/her marked hand.

 

Is this a spirit of faith like the ones who touch the Seekers?  Knowing what we know about Justinia, and assuming that this spirit is the same one who touched the human Justinia, I would see it as a spirit of wisdom or purpose.