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[Avejajed]

Nevermind.

[Avejajed]

Lol, I was just thinking I wish the forums would do that

 

 

Well they used to, I don't know why I stopped getting mine.

[Sashimi_taco]

 Maybe she is a mage in denial like Dalish (one of the chargers) and she did some bad things on accident with her magic, which is why she is so scared of it. Her greatest fear is the "Nothing" so maybe she has a fear of the fade? I dunno.

 

I promise you she has something going on way more than that. 

[Zarro-Morningstar]

It's been a long time since my days in Latin class where we knew all the workings of the Roman (and therefore greek) pantheon, but this does remind me of the parallels I see with Norse/Asgardian stuff. Particularly:

 

Odin/Allfather = Elgar'nan.

Frigga = Mythal

 

Of course that would make Falon'din Thor. He may not have had the physical strength, but his ego was at least equal to it, if Solas is to be believed, and, like Thor it doomed him to a fall. That would then make Dirthamen our Loki. The adopted brother. The Master of secrets. That last bit also fits Fen'harel of course. With this parallel, and the three in one theory posed I have been playing with the idea that instead of Falon'din+Dirthamen (dual entity, single being) > Dread Wolf > Fen'harel, it was instead Dirthamen > Dread Wolf > Fen'harel > Solas.

 

He may have even instigated Falon'din's fall, the same way Loki pushed his brother. Another interesting parallel is that Frigga and Loki were close in the Asgardian lore (Cinematic Universe). He was her favored, even though he wasn't her biological son. Mythal's reaction to Solas in the stinger still strikes me as a mother being approached by her remorseful, guilt striken son. One she might have favored in spite of every bad decision he made.

 

I think him being Fen'harel is enough for me to seriously gnaw at for now, though. It is fun to consider the possibilities that he's even more than that, but what will it really matter? At risk of sounding super selfish, all I really want right now is a sign that there's a chance for that fairytale happy ending for my Lavellan somewhere in these legends, myths and demi-god connections.

 

But also? Loki is a sexy beast in the MCU, and that's always important.

Lol, it's amazing to see how many of us are interested in mythology or were at some point. I often find inspiration from those old tales...so what can I say...I love history and mythology which helps make me all the more better writer.

[Andir]

Well they used to, I don't know why I stopped getting mine.

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[Arlee]

One thing about Sera, if nothing else she certainly does have some sort of memory thing going on. She has a ton of issues remembering all sorts of things throughout the game, and then at the end she barely can remember she was in Val Royeaux.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Well they used to, I don't know why I stopped getting mine.

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[SleepyBird]

I don't yet buy the theory, but it's got some interesting support. I don't see it as repetitive, however, because if she is connected to Andruil, it's as a rather unwilling and unhealthy host, which brings up the biggest objection I have to the theory- Flemeth's statement that the unwilling can't be possessed. However we do know that people can become possessed without realizing that that's what they're doing. So conceivably Sera could have heard "Andraste" talking and accepted a bargain of sorts and ended up with an elven god's wisp essence in her who's now driving her mad. This would make her, not a repetition of Solas' story, but a contrast. Solas even gives support to it when he says "she is apart from herself." She's not integrated as she should be.

Again, I'm not saying I buy it, but something is going on with her.

I'm sorry, I think it's extremely cool that you are putting so much thought into this, I love character analysis and theory crafting, but I still just completely disagree with the idea of Sera as a vessel for a god. It feels like a desperate stretch to try to make something important out of a character whose charm comes from her very lack of importance. Everyone I know who truly loves Sera as a character, loves her because she doesn't make them have to think about lore or Elven gods or morality. They just want to hear her say "arse-biscuits". Sera is the lighthearted foil to the characters who make the player think and read codexes and worry about consequences.

[Roxy]

This is Adorable ya'll. 

 

Spoiler

 

http://liliumsnow.de...hfest-498679987

[Arlee]

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Ooh thanks for this

[Hedinve]

Odin is a god of knowledge and secrets (and the night, magic, war and death). And he has two ravens, knowledge and memory, this makes him more correspondent with Dirthamen. Elgar'nan is then Bor. Frigg is the goddess of love and beauty, that works out as Mythal. 

[arelenriel]

So I've been trying to give some thought to why I respond just so negatively to the theories about Sera as Andruil (although I hope I have always come across as simply disagreeing and not mocking), and it comes down to three basic ideas that bother me. 

 

1.) It's bad storytelling, Not everyone can be surprisingly revealed to be something more than they are. That is boring, cheap and repetative. One well-thought out character turning out to have a huge secret is fun. Everyone turning out to secretly be a god is eye-roll inducing. It stops being about character and instead simply becomes a series of narrative gotcha's.

 

2.) It cheapens the Solas reveal. If everyone's a god, it's meaningless for any one person in particular to be a god. To quote the Incredibles: "If everyone's special than no one is."

 

3.) It's a betrayal of Sera's values and character. She values being one of the "little people" more than anything. For her to secretly be a god would ruin everything people love about her.

Agreed .. I would suspect that it is more of being in denial that she has magic or she has been severely traumatized by magic in the past
.. there are several things to suggest this.

1. She is not the only character doing this- Dalish denies she has magic as well.
2. Sera grew up during the Blight in the Denerim Alienage when Loghain and Howe had hired Tevinter Blood Mage Slavers to sell off the population of the Alienage. .
3.   Possibility one is that Sera was one of the children in the hospice who was going to be sold into slavery- signs during that quest indicated that the slavers had already begun  doing blood magic on the prospective slaves- This would have caused Sera to be greatly fearful of magic.
4. Possibiity two is that she is Amethyne, the daughter of Elora the maid of Lady Landra who dies the night your Cousland warden's family is massacred by How and his men. This means she would have been a resident in the demon infested orphanage that Ser Otto the Blind Templar is investigating -- which also would have caused a tremendous fear of magic.
5. If she is suppressing her magic it is likely she was taught to do this out of fear of the Templars.. just as she would have learned that being an elf was bad because bad things happen to mages who reveal their magic to Templars and bad things happen to female elves --- usually at the hands of human males (see Warden Tabris background story). Being an elf or a mage in Thedas is dangerous -- worse yet if you are an elf and a mage and female to boot--- and avoidance is a common way to deal with danger.

Andruil just doesn't seem realistic for me above and beyond the already listed reasons-Sera has an intense dislike of all religion-- Andruil would have reveled in the attention of being a religious figure --- also Andruil killed indiscriminately- Sera not so much- we might not understand her reasons all the time but they typically involve mistreatment of the working class in some way ... Andruil would have cared less about this class of people since they would have been the slaves she hunted for fun.

[Janic99]

Please source the art! That way we can lavish attention on the artist and they will be inclined to make more Solavellan art!

 

Source: http://al-teya.tumbl...-fade-ma-vhenan

I didn't know who made it I found it on a random site and there was not written who actually drew it  

[Sashimi_taco]

I'm sorry, I think it's extremely cool that you are putting so much thought into this, I love character analysis and theory crafting, but I still just completely disagree with the idea of Sera as a vessel for a god. It feels like a desperate stretch to try to make something important out of a character whose charm comes from her very lack of importance. Everyone I know who truly loves Sera as a character, loves her because she doesn't make them have to think about lore or Elven gods or morality. They just want to hear her say "arse-biscuits". Sera is the lighthearted foil to the characters who make the player think and read codexes and worry about consequences.

 

I think if anything, sera has Andruil's key to the elluvian that anduil is locked away in.

 

I have a whole theory about that. But there are people out there who are the vessels for the keys. Much like how Mythal had the well of sorrows. 

 

Solas stole those keys and hid them. Sera might be one of the vessels. 

 

Or sera is a mage. But one thing I am sure of beyond a doubt, is that sera is connected to the fade. Cole specifically says so.

[jawsisinmywc]

Yeah, my straight male rogue Lavellan was kind of squicked out a bit after the whole Fade-Haven thing.  It's just so... intimate, even without a kiss.  Seriously, if somebody told me that they consciously contacted me in my dreams (or vice versa) I'd feel very violated, especially if they were not of my sexual orientation.  But I suppose a mage inquisitor would be better prepared for this.

 

And then Solas is on the balcony in the inquisitor's room pretty much telling him he's special.  Again, my male Lavellan was like "dude stop stalking me I'm not interested".  

I think if you choose a certain dialogue option after the Fade scene, Solas says something like "since you sought me out in your sleep, I thought I would make sure we went somewhere interesting." I guess the Inquisitor unknowingly talked to him in their sleep.

[RebbyWriter]

I didn't know who made it I found it on a random site and there was not written who actually drew it

Sometimes, when I can't find the source of an image, I drag and drop the picture into a search bar and the original source comes up (not always, but most of the time).

[SleepyBird]

Yeah, my straight male rogue Lavellan was kind of squicked out a bit after the whole Fade-Haven thing.  It's just so... intimate, even without a kiss.  Seriously, if somebody told me that they consciously contacted me in my dreams (or vice versa) I'd feel very violated, especially if they were not of my sexual orientation.  But I suppose a mage inquisitor would be better prepared for this.

 

And then Solas is on the balcony in the inquisitor's room pretty much telling him he's special.  Again, my male Lavellan was like "dude stop stalking me I'm not interested".  

But isn't it the other way around? Solas says that the Inquisitor is the one who found him in their dreams, Solas was not the one who sought contact. I think it's entirely possible that the Inquisitor is unconsciously using power they did not know they had in order to reach out in dreams like that, and that's why they don't realize they are dreaming, so maybe Solas could have let the Inquisitor know what was going on sooner, but you still can't really blame him for the initial contact.

[Sashimi_taco]

Well Solas, you really should ask permission before you mind meld with people. 

[Lady Luminous]

One thing about Sera, if nothing else she certainly does have some sort of memory thing going on. She has a ton of issues remembering all sorts of things throughout the game, and then at the end she barely can remember she was in Val Royeaux.

 

I thought that could be attributed to all the travelling and bouncing around she does? Goodness knows the inquisitor drags her to a number of places.

 

But maybe you're on to something!

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think if you choose a certain dialogue option after the Fade scene, Solas says something like "since you sought me out in your sleep, I thought I would make sure we went somewhere interesting." I guess the Inquisitor unknowingly talked to him in their sleep.

 

I never got that dialogue thanks to the romance, so I just headcanon that he explained it to romanced Lavellan later.  He was a bit distracted by the Fade-tongue 

[Tielis]

Ok - with your last bit... If he were the child of a LOVER, not Elgar'nan, that could be a possibility. But if true, it would also serve to negate the Falon'Din/Dirthamen/Fen'Harel theory beyond the true-to-lore meaning of twin souls vs. actual twins. Falon'Din most certainly is a distinct entity and child of the Elgar'nan--Mythal union. Dirthamen, while parentage unknown, is certainly not of that same union.

 

And that is the biggest secret he keeps.  Yeah, I can go with this.

[Hedinve]

I had another random thought with all the gods walking around as normal people. Maybe we should take a look at Hard in Hardtown. Maybe Varric is foreshadowing all of this?

[Addai]

I'm sorry, I think it's extremely cool that you are putting so much thought into this, I love character analysis and theory crafting, but I still just completely disagree with the idea of Sera as a vessel for a god. It feels like a desperate stretch to try to make something important out of a character whose charm comes from her very lack of importance. Everyone I know who truly loves Sera as a character, loves her because she doesn't make them have to think about lore or Elven gods or morality. They just want to hear her say "arse-biscuits". Sera is the lighthearted foil to the characters who make the player think and read codexes and worry about consequences.

I understand that. I don't much care about Sera either way, so I've got no stake in it, and as I said, am not convinced by the theorizing yet anyway. Also what people want might not be what the writers give them. Hard words in the Solas thread but always a possibility.   Sera also can be ignored or booted in the game so I don't think the writers intend for her to be as plot critical as Solas, whatever her nature may be.

[SleepyBird]

I think if anything, sera has Andruil's key to the elluvian that anduil is locked away in.

 

I have a whole theory about that. But there are people out there who are the vessels for the keys. Much like how Mythal had the well of sorrows. 

 

Solas stole those keys and hid them. Sera might be one of the vessels. 

 

Or sera is a mage. But one thing I am sure of beyond a doubt, is that sera is connected to the fade. Cole specifically says so.

The one part of this theory I can definitely get behind is the mage idea. Since she has no idea how she is able to be such a skilled archer without any training, it's seems like she could be an unknowing hedge mage whose magic has diverted itself into an ability she understands and is able to use without fear.

[LadyKarrakaz]

Dear fellow Solasians, I haven't posted in this thread since game release for fear of spoilers, and I just finished yesterday. The story was awesome, and I'm so glad about the great story they created for Solas, but this ending makes me want more... what a cliffhanger!

Nice to see all that's been posted here. The explanation on Solas paintings is great!

 

Anyway, about the ending... sing with me...

Shadows fall, and hope has fled
Steel your heart, the dawn will come...