Sooo I'm finally getting around to playing DA2 for the first time. And then once I finish it I can read Asunder and The Masked Empire and then I can participate in the in depth discussions involving ME spoilers! Just wait, I'll be able to meaningfully contribute to this thread eventually!
On a more related note:
It's been 5 (6?) weeks since my heart was broken by Solas. Still not over it.
Preview of my fan art for the 2000 pages (I could not wait)
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Can't wait to see it finished.
I literally do not even know what I would do if they made me watch solas die. With that look on his face, you know the one.
Oh... no... please no! Sad Kaidan almost killed me, I can't imagine the look on Solas' face especially if Lavellan had to... was the one who... NOPE. I've got plenty of sad thoughts about where things might end up (some positive ones hiding in there, too) but I don't want to think too hard about them right now 
I'm making this post solely to get closer to 2000 and see that finished drawing 
Yep, he definitely goofed by leaving her. I was talking to a friend the other day about how Solas seems to make such terrible life choices. At some point, you think he'd decide maybe he wasn't the best person to be making world altering choices.
Not to get too deep here, but I think that is his biggest flaw, is his conviction that his cause is worth the price he (and everyone else) keeps having to pay, because he is so sure that he's always on the cusp of finally making everything *better*. Too bad it's all illusory. 
Ooh! That's lovely!
That picture just.. my life is complete now.. HE IS PERFECT
Not to get too deep here, but I think that is his biggest flaw, is his conviction that his cause is worth the price he (and everyone else) keeps having to pay, because he is so sure that he's always on the cusp of finally making everything *better*. Too bad it's all illusory.
Then again, who should be making these choices? He's currently the only one who actually knows what happened back then, how the world and magic actually works. Apparently this world is crappier than it used to be but no one ( except maybe Abelas and maybe he was already an aftermath elf)
This theory is interesting, but I'm not convinced either. The devnote called Fen'Harel [Mythal's] eldest friend, so I'll stick to that. And to the elven gods = powerful mages theory. At least until given enough evidence to believe otherwise.
Right, all of the Elvhen gods were powerful mages. Fen'Harel was. Mythal was. Dirthamen and Falon'Din were. No argument there. "Godhood" was just a mask for these mage-rulers: a face they presented to their worshipers. Solas' actual existence is entirely independent of how he was perceived and what he was called as a "God" within the Pantheon. He was always the same being, the same elf-mage, the whole time.
...on the inside, at least. There's good evidence that he was trapped in monstrous Dread Wolf form as part of his punishment during his stint in the Abyss, Pantheon-GITMO. But still, in terms of souls we're talking about the same OGS: just worshiped by a different name when he was restored to the Pantheon than he had been before.
It does raise the question of why the Pantheon felt that was necessary, however. Aside from their obvious interest in preventing a return to his old ways, there may be more there- something that speaks to a deeper reason mage-rulers would be driven to gather faith in the mortal world more subtle and fundamental than social power or vanity. Might be nothing, though. After all, in both the real world and the fade world, the more sentient beings you can convince of a thing, the more your version becomes how Things Are:it's just slower, and heavier, and more permanent on this side.
So, about what is Solas planning to do, some specualtion, but not lore-speculation, but character/story speculation (equally bad, I guess, but, oh well 
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I just finished another pt and thinking about it I got to the conclussion that whatever Solas is planning to do, it has to be in the benefit of spirits, not elven gods or ancient elves. Even his loyalty mission, couldn't it have been about looking for some ancient elven artifact or whatever? No, instead it's a mission whose main purpose seems to be to show us that he's willing to kill "real people" in defense of spiritis. Even when he talks about the days of Arlathan, it's mostly the magic what he seems to miss.
The contrast with Mythal is huge: Flement was always on good terms with the Dalish, she seems to have them as allies or something since The Stolen Throne to DA2, she says to Merril that thing about the poeple bing to quick to bend their knee and apparenty Lavellan recriminations about her not helping the elves when they needed her seem to make her uncofortable, like she'd have really liked being able to help them. If someone it's working to restore elven greatness, or something along the lines, it should definitely be Mythal.
For what we have being told, Solas seems to have very different interests. I'd go as far as saying that maybe if he locked up away the elven gods it might not have been to protect the other elves from them, but to protect the spirits from the elves.
And connected to this, I don't think he woke up and find out that the world went wrong and suffered seeing how bad things were for the elves (like Corypeus with Tevinter). I think it's more likely that he retired to the fade because he already hated the world back then and that he now woke up because the spirits are somehow in danger.
So, why does he say "the people need me" in the end? And why would Mythal agree to give him her power if their goals are different? Well, I honeslty don't know and I guess it's because I'm probably wrong but I still think that Mythal and Solas sharing the goal of helping elves/ancient elves/elven gods doesn't make sense with what we have been told about each of them so far... unless,of course, the bad guy they oppose is the same, even if their problems with him are not
I'm totally going to sidle up and cuddle to the theory that perhaps each of the members of the Elven pantheon were beyond just Elven but Elven+Spirit hybrids, perhaps even something more spirit than Elven. Their qualities seem too tied to the qualities/ names of the Spirits revealed to us so far for me to count it out.
I'm there with you, I think the elven gods were powerful abominations, though I have absolutely nothing to support it
Here's a Fade song...
Stahp. D:
I love your new avatar btw
I wanted to share my lavellan since I finally got around to taking a picture. My very first inquisitor at that! I love how she turned out.
what a nerd!
Then again, who should be making these choices? He's currently the only one who actually knows what happened back then, how the world and magic actually works. Apparently this world is crappier than it used to be but no one ( except maybe Abelas and maybe he was already an aftermath elf)
Yeah, and I really think that restoring what was lost might also be the only way to better understand and perhaps end the blights, if we are to believe that he Grey Warden's previous strategy and new plan are misguided.
Last thing before going to bed: I played Here lies the abyss again today and brought Cole, Solas and Bull. I never took Bull there and he said something like: This must be a dream come true for yout crazy a**
To which Solas replied: "yes! Literally." in the most happy adorkable way
This also makes me think: if morrigan has the OGB we meet Flemeth in the fade, physically, right? I was wondering if Solas was telling the truth when he said he was never been there before. I think he was genuine, but if Flemeth can do it maybe he can too? Wasn't the orb his?
He never lies openly, but this... maybe I just need sleep and I'm missing something obvious atm.
It's not clear if using an Eluvian to enter the Fade means you enter it physically.
Otherwise Corypheus would probably have focused more on Eluvians, and less on the knowledge of the Well.
Is the Black City close up in that Fade sequence with Flemeth and Morrigan? That could be a clue.
Yeah, and I really think that restoring what was lost might also be the only way to better understand and perhaps end the blights, if we are to believe that he Grey Warden's previous strategy and new plan are misguided.
I'm actually inclined to side with the Wardens over Solas here, mostly on reasons of practicality.
The Wardens know how to fight darkspawn and stop Blights. It's been their hat for a while. For five Blights now, the strategy of "stick Archdemon with Warden sword" has worked just fine without any world-shattering unintended consequences unless the Warden actively intervenes with the Dark Ritual. And remember, the Wardens may know more than they're letting on. They're very secretive by nature, and we only see of them what the Inquisitor sees.
Solas's solution would probably be broader in scope and with a greater understanding of the underlying causes of Blight, but a really freaking bad idea nonetheless. Kind of like the Architect.
Then again, who should be making these choices? He's currently the only one who actually knows what happened back then, how the world and magic actually works. Apparently this world is crappier than it used to be but no one ( except maybe Abelas and maybe he was already an aftermath elf)
But that's the point. Nobody should be trying to make the choices, b/c the very idea that the choices are there to be made is a fallacy. Perhaps that is too philosophical for DA, but I suspect not, since much of the game is about how the idea of the Inquisitor is shaped by the world, sometimes in accordance with, sometimes regardless of, and sometimes in direct opposition to the Inquisitor's wishes/choices. The idea that individuals--even singular, powerful ones--are in CONTROL of a whole world is ludicrous. It seems perfectly obvious to me that the elves would have fallen regardless of Fen'Harel's actions, simply because nothing lasts forever; everything that has a beginning must have an end. The fact that this is not clear to Solas shows how blind he is to some simple truths (willfully, his dialogue with Cole implies), despite his intelligence and experience.
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Not to get too deep here, but I think that is his biggest flaw, is his conviction that his cause is worth the price he (and everyone else) keeps having to pay, because he is so sure that he's always on the cusp of finally making everything *better*. Too bad it's all illusory.
Fatal flaw: Pride.
Actually, sadly, this reminds me a bit of Loghain. (Much as it pains me to admit, as I am NOT a fan of that guy.) A hardened Alistair will say he doesn't think Anora would make a good queen because, "She's just like her father, and that's the problem. They think they alone know what's best for Ferelden, and everyone else needs to just get out of the way." While Solas is not nearly so willfully blind or destructive, sadly he seems dead set on helping the People, on going forward with whatever plan he needed the power of the Orb to achieve in the first place, and seems to think that he must be the one to do it no matter what. Even though his track record so far has done more harm than good. 
LOL We need solace for Solas!
(I just learned of that meme today. )
But that's the point. Nobody should be trying to make the choices, b/c the very idea that the choices are there to be made is a fallacy. Perhaps that is too philosophical for DA, but I suspect not, since much of the game is about how the Inquisitor is shaped by the world, sometimes according with, sometimes regardless of, and sometimes in direct opposition to the Inquisitor's wishes/choices. The idea that individuals--even singular, powerful ones--are in CONTROL of a whole world is ludicrous. It seems perfectly obvious to me that the elves would have fallen regardless of Fen'Harel's actions, simply because nothing lasts forever; everything that has a beginning must have an end. The fact that this is not clear to Solas shows how blind he is to some simple truths (willfully, his dialogue with Cole implies), despite his intelligence and experience.
Some things are just meant to end, and you happen to be the blade that brings it down. Doesn't mean it was wrong to do so, as Cole pointed out. Solas wasn't wrong to bring down the pantheon, especially after what we've heard and seen. He thinks bringing it back will make everything better.
I also hope for the choice to convince him to rebuild instead of bringing everything back. That's a very quick-fix route...one Solas is usually against.
Suspicious Solas is Suspicious...
WELL I'M SORRY BUT YOU'RE GORGEOUS OKAY
Here's a Fade song...
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This is the KING of fade songs. I love you .
That feel when someone logs out in front of you, and you're worrying about them so much. Ugggh
I literally do not even know what I would do if they made me watch solas die. With that look on his face, you know the one.
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