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It's not clear if using an Eluvian to enter the Fade means you enter it physically.

Otherwise Corypheus would probably have focused more on Eluvians, and less on the knowledge of the Well.

Is the Black City close up in that Fade sequence with Flemeth and Morrigan? That could be a clue.

 

 

Fade = Matrix   Eluvians take you to training programs/constructs, not Matrix, so 'mini-fades' but not THE FADE.  

 

Maybe they can take you to Fade, but you'd be all coppertop weak person there... using well of souls or Orb is what makes you all "the one" Neo in the Fade,

 

So Corphyeus wouldn't want to use Eluvians..he needs to be more powerful



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Doesn't anyone else worry that Solas will get frostbite on his toes after Haven? 

 

Yes. I just put him in that Ancient Elven robe and he has no shoes...go figure lol.

 

All New, Faded for Her = FENHAREL DREAD WOLF

 

The quality of the writing is amazing!

I just did all that on a piece of paper and you are right...clever PW.

 

I wanted to share my lavellan since I finally got around to taking a picture. My very first inquisitor at that! I love how she turned out.

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She looks pretty but she sure looks sunburnt in the second pic.  :D

 

(I know it has something to do with the lighting)

 

Last thing before going to bed: I played Here lies the abyss again today and brought Cole, Solas and Bull. I never took Bull there and he said something like: This must be a dream come true for your crazy a**

To which Solas replied: "yes! Literally." in the most happy adorkable way <3 what a nerd!

This also makes me think: if morrigan has the OGB we meet Flemeth in the fade, physically, right? I was wondering if Solas was telling the truth when he said he's never been there before. I think he was genuine, but if Flemeth can do it maybe he can too? Wasn't the orb his?

He never lies openly, but this... maybe I just need sleep and I'm missing something obvious atm.

 

I took IB on my first pt and the way Solas said that...was so cute and dorky.  ^_^

 

 

That horrifying moment when you pull out a DVD case only find that there are no disc's in it...

 

Oh no...hope you find it.  :)


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http://dragonage.wik...gent_Compendium

In Act Three of DA2, this Codex entry pops up in the Black Emporium.

Unravel the code used after 'Two shadowed spheres among stars subtitled 'aboofqp iboxE'kbC px bpmfizb kX' and you get 'An Eclipse as Fen'harel stirs'.

This points to Fen'harel waking up between 9:34 and 9:37 Dragon. :)

Corypheus says a 'ritual years in the making!' which works whenever you do Legacy because Inquisition is 9:40/9:41 Dragon.


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Hello again Solas thread! It has been a while... Had to avoid you guys for the duration of my Cullen-mance playthrough so I wouldn't get wrapped up in the awesomeness of Solas and re-roll as an elf again (and to think, I was such a Cullen fan *stupid lying egg-shaped sexy bastard ruined me*)

 

Loving all the new theories - lots of interesting ones I hadn't thought of. And I've spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about our favorite bald pajama elf - even re-read TME for all the Fen'Harel references. So many unanswered questions and loose ends. There just has to be some major elf-related plot coming up in the DA universe - be it a DLC or the next game, with Solas playing an important role. Just hope it's not too tragic for him. Despite his many flaws and screw-ups I really want to give him the chance for a happy ending.

 

Now, would someone be so kind as to post a link to the new Weekes interview? I tried to google it but kept getting that old one from before the game came out. :) EDIT: Never mind! Found it in the OP! ( somehow missed it when i looked for it there before)


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Hello again Solas thread! It has been a while... Had to avoid you guys for the duration of my Cullen-mance playthrough so I wouldn't get wrapped up in the awesomeness of Solas and re-roll as an elf again (and to think, I was such a Cullen fan *stupid lying egg-shaped sexy bastard ruined me*)

 

Loving all the new theories - lots of interesting ones I hadn't thought of. And I've spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about our favorite bald pajama elf - even re-read TME for all the Fen'Harel references. So many unanswered questions and loose ends. There just has to be some major elf-related plot coming up in the DA universe - be it a DLC or the next game, with Solas playing an important role. Just hope it's not too tragic for him. Despite his many flaws and screw-ups I really want to give him the chance for a happy ending.

 

Now, would someone be so kind as to post a link to the new Weekes interview? I tried to google it but kept getting that old one from before the game came out. :)

http://www.nerdappro...patrick-weekes/:)



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Out of curiosity, am I the only one whose party is always dressed in similar colours? For my main quizzy it's dark red and blackish( and beige...stupid pjs) 
for my new Nightmare quizzy is emerald/black
 
I love to have Solas in a matching outfit ^^


Nope. I think this sometimes. I had quizzy, Solas, Cole, and Sera all in green at one point.

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Getting you into bed is just an enjoyable side benefit (oh all that flirty face solas.. def god of sex)

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Thank you! (Even though i found it... Apparently I passed over that whole section of the OP earlier... ^_^ )



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Greetings fellow nerds. I suspect that there hasn't been a Batman Solas related song in a few pages.

I bring you Disney's Tarzan - You'll Be In My Heart. Because who doesn't love Disney songs?

 

When destiny calls you, you must be strong. I may not be with you, but you've got to hold on.


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Has this been shared on here yet?

 

http://thedosianimpo...e-you-know-that

 

It's a compilation of Solas' grunts.....my mother walked in partway through.....it was an awkward time.

Haha :D Nice find



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TOO LATE FOR NOPE.   I wanted to hold this in, I really really did, because it's a metric fuckton of nutbag in one tiny post.  But the poison must out.

 

Fen'Harel was three Old Gods.

 

One entity.  Three Pantheon gods.   I may be chasing an elaborate red herring, but there's simply too much evidence to ignore: Solas is Fen'Harel, but before that, he was Dirthamen / Falon'Din.  His powers are their powers, his sins are their sins, and it would finally explain both his transformation to the Dread Wolf and his redemption to the Pantheon under the watchful eye of Mythal.  

 

1.   "You're different, Solas.  You're in both places." 

This is the key to unraveling the core contradiction of the mythical Twins that are not Twins.  They are aspects of the same being- an entity existing both fully in the fade and fully in the physical.  (If this is indeed unique to Solas, this puts a wrench in some of my other theories- though it's possible whatever happened to entities that pre-existed the veil when it went up left him somehow intact while the rest were split).  

 

2.  "Ma ghilana mir din'an."  

"Guide me into death."  The final request of the spirit of Wisdom in Solas' personal quest.  Aside from Mythal, this is the character most likely to have known Solas before he was cast down as the Dread Wolf or restored to the Pantheon as Fen'Harel.  He greets her as kin -"lethallin"- and she responds in kind, speaking to him as the form in which she knows him best: Falon'Din, friend and guide to those on the other side of the Veil.  Solas as F'D hardly needs to be explained.  Solas.  Fade!  Solas.  Spirits are Awesome! Solas.

 

3.  "May her ashes be gathered by Falon'Din and carried safely."

Solas approves. ...yes, I know. "He's a compassionate person!"  But you don't get his approval from rescuing druffalo, do you.

 

4.  "You really don't let anybody see under that polite mask you wear, do you?"

~ insert appropriately snide and scathing comments about Dirthamen, God of Secrets, and the damned apostate elf whose favorite pastime is not telling anyone, anything, ever. ~

 

5.  "Though you reach out in compassion, I must now insist that you... forget."

This is the only direct clue we have that links him to Dirthamen as well as Falon'Din.  The important distinction here is the difference between Solas and Cole's abilities.  As a Spirit of Compassion, Cole's domain is pain and hurt, which allows him to see the path that Solas has chosen.  But there's not necessarily any hurt or pain involved in taking that away.  (Unless you assume that Cole was unduly upset by what he found.  Ignore that.  Stay with me.)  What Solas is doing is different.  What's being washed from Cole's mind is knowledge- or more accurately, a secret.  As we see at his temple, this is the core of Dirthamen's power and the boon he grants his followers: relieving them of the burden of their secrets.  

 

The secrets are madness in our ears, but they are ours

The Highest One cannot take them from us.
Only Dirthamen, our Keeper, only he
And if he does not take the secrets
they are ours forever.

 

6.  "I do not believe they sing songs about Falon'Din's vanity."

Vanity.  Arrogance.  Ego.  Pride.  They are all one and the same.  If Solas' sins are Falon'Din's sins, then he has more blood on his hands than any of us would ever have imagined.  "The blood of those who would not bow low filled lakes as wide as oceans", until he turned on Mythal.  Even then, with the combined force of an allied Pantheon, he only surrendered when his brethren bloodied him in his own temple. This, then, is his great crime- the treason for which he was first stripped of both his standing and form and cast as a monstrous beast into the Abyss.  This is how the Dread Wolf began.  

 

7.   "But Mythal’s magic sapped Andruil’s strength, and stole her knowledge of how to find the Void."

But how did the Dread Wolf end and Fen'Harel begin?  What service could he possibly have offered to the Pantheon to regain his place among them?  The answer lies in a threat to the Pantheon greater than any he had ever posed:  the blighted madness of Andruil.  Mythal needed him.  She could subdue Andruil with her magic, but only Dirthamen had the power to wipe Andruil's secret path to the Void from her mind.  In exchange for this service, the Dread Wolf rose to the Pantheon once more as Fen'Harel, loyal Hound of Mythal.  

 

8.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  

Don't tell me you don't see it.  You do.

 

 

 

I know this is insanity, but screw it- I like it, and I'm keeping it.  It feels right.  Doesn't it?  

 

And not just because it makes Solas #3 on the Pantheon power list, instead of being some random elf punished, then inexplicably raised to Pantheon, then bound to Mythal.  It also means that if I'm right about Mythal's orb not just being a focus, but a physical representation of her leash on him and the restriction of his powers... 

 

...we are in for some serious, serious, badassery now that it's rubble.  

 

 

Solas: "Most tales paint Falon'Din's stubbornness second only to his self-regard."
Inquisitor:  "I'm surprised they let such a monster live."
Solas:  "One does not lightly kill a god, Inquisitor. Even in legend."
 

ohhh, you sly wolf.

 

So I read this theory this morning and wasn't able to respond until now. While it is an interesting theory, I don't think that this is the writers' intent for one main reason: emotional impact and characterization.

 

First, I think we fell in love with Solas' character because he is a complex character who can embody opposite traits in the same person. He is plain yet sexy. He is sweet and gentle, but approves of decisions that value the end more than the means. He is clearly intelligent, yet often ruled by his emotions. He is so open with you, yet so secretive.

 

Discovering Solas' identity as Fen'Harel adds to his character in a positive way. All the little hints throughout the game gave the reveal so much more of an emotional impact on the player. Solas as Fen'Harel suddenly makes so much sense. It makes him even more mysterious and intriguing. It is like adding that crucial spice to a simple dish that makes it even more perfect that it was before.

 

Making Solas have additional mysterious identities such as Dirthamen and Falon'Din on top of his reveal is too much. It confuses the characterization making players go "what?" instead of "wow!" The player wouldn't even know who Solas is suppose to be anymore. He would have lost his unique identity and personality. It's like how adding a bit of sugar into the coffee is good, but if you're adding butter and lollipops on top of that, then it is too much. It turns the coffee into a nasty mix. Solas as Fen'Harel is already a good characterization and I don't think the writers would mess with something that is already this good.


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And at this part he is clearly staring at Lavellan's butt while she is leaning on the balcony

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And at this part he is clearly staring at Lavellan's butt while she is leaning on the balcony

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I'm just going to pretend that clipping is his unique nose piercing.


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Has this been shared on here yet?

 

http://thedosianimpo...e-you-know-that

 

It's a compilation of Solas' grunts.....my mother walked in partway through.....it was an awkward time.

 

Aaannnnnnnnddddd... I'm spent.  This thread (and the things you people find/make/think/say/do) is magical.  :whistle:


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I didn't realize it was clipping until yesterday and someone linked to Matt Rhodes' concept art page showing what that hat was SUPPOSED to look like. Honestly surprised they didn't pick up on that and just remove the hat.

... No. Stop guys. Now I'm going to have to re-do his Halamshiral outfit.

I thought he was embracing his inner fashion Rattataki.


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In regards to time travel in the DA universe...it's impossible. The Breach being this reality altering magical vortex is the only except to it, and even then, according to Alexius you can only time travel back to the instant the Breach appears. You can't even travel forward, presumably.

 

So with the Breach permanently gone at the end of the game, time travel is no longer possible in any regard. Alexius and Dorian tried for years and years to get it to work, but it never could until the Breach.


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Has this been shared on here yet?

 

http://thedosianimpo...e-you-know-that

 

It's a compilation of Solas' grunts.....my mother walked in partway through.....it was an awkward time.

ROFL I put this on at waay too high a volume.


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But that's the point.  Nobody should be trying to make the choices, b/c the very idea that the choices are there to be made is a fallacy.  Perhaps that is too philosophical for DA, but I suspect not, since much of the game is about how the Inquisitor is shaped by the world, sometimes according with, sometimes regardless of, and sometimes in direct opposition to the Inquisitor's wishes/choices.  The idea that individuals--even singular, powerful ones--are in CONTROL of a whole world is ludicrous.  It seems perfectly obvious to me that the elves would have fallen regardless of Fen'Harel's actions, simply because nothing lasts forever; everything that has a beginning must have an end.  The fact that this is not clear to Solas shows how blind he is to some simple truths (willfully, his dialogue with Cole implies), despite his intelligence and experience.

 

Now that is grim and fatalistic.   @w@

 

Don't worry about getting too philosophical- an ancient war of ideas battling it out for supremacy is the beating heart of DA.  
 
Order versus Chaos, Obedience versus Free Will.  These conflicts form the foundation of everything, and it's all tied together.
 
That said, I don't agree.  The fundamental nature of the world (our world as well as Thedas) is indeterminate.  It's built into the very fabric of reality at the most fundamental level in a physics sense, which finds echoes in Thedas in the nature of the Fade and Reality.  From a certain perspective, the fade is our physics, writ large. It embodies fundamental principles and gives them a physical, observable nature that allows us to explore them directly.
 
My background is cog sci, not physics, so this is going to miss subtleties others would spot and appreciate, but think about the fade for a moment as the ultimate indeterminate state of being.  It is the particle in Schrodinger's box, waiting for an observer to decide its state.  Cole actually references this directly in one of his banters with Sera:  "In the soft, thin places, spirits push with memories that didn't happen. Or did. Or might. Before the door is open. They could let the cat out, and it would always be alive."
 
This is the core nature of the fade, and the source of sentient beings' power within it.  Their presence -their thoughts and feelings- directly shape the world around them in an immediate but impermanent way.  "Change" in the fade, to drive home the point, is fundamentally an illusion.   It isn't real.  
 
The real world of Thedas works differently.  It is slower.  Heavier.  A being can no longer shape the world with idle thought, they must act on that desire.  In the real word, thoughts and beliefs must be followed by choice.  By action.  Or they do nothing.   As Cole notes, "here is what can change."   And though being forced to shape the world this way is slow and heavy, those changes stick. Even if opposing forces twist or reverse that change, it cannot be erased.  The world does not return to its original state- a quick glance at history will tell you that.  Every action -every choice made- has echoes that persist. 
 
The Andrastean Chant is right in this:  if there is a Maker, free will is his greatest gift.  Choice grants power to all - not just mages - to change the world around them.  That is why it is such a sacred, fundamental concept for Solas, and is the antithesis of what the Sun/Elgar'nan desires.  
 
I...yikes.  I need to stop before I start off on a tangent about Order and Chaos, free will, and how that balance relates to the Song- the gradient from single melody through complex harmonies to dissonance. 
 
Anyway!  Like I said, don't ever stop yourself from jumping into the philosophy.  The game itself is prompting you to examine these things at every turn.  Bioware wants us to think.

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I'm just going to pretend that clipping is his unique nose piercing.

 

I admit...I thought it was a decoration of sorts to purposefully highlight his nose because...well, dat profile.

 

I still pretend it is. XD

 

Has this been shared on here yet?

 

http://thedosianimpo...e-you-know-that

 

It's a compilation of Solas' grunts.....my mother walked in partway through.....it was an awkward time.

 

My mom's already convinced I'm addicted to pron, this won't shock her. *plays it at high volume to freak her out*  :devil:

 

EDIT: 

 

HAHAH IT FREAKED HER OUT XD


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Out of curiosity, am I the only one whose party is always dressed in similar colours? For my main quizzy it's dark red and blackish( and beige...stupid pjs) 

for my new Nightmare quizzy is emerald/black

 

I love to have Solas in a matching outfit ^^

 

I seem to end up with my Inquisitor and their LI in matching outfits.

However, right now I have accidentally created the most ramshackle looking group. I put Solas in heavy armour, which somehow puts him in less layers so he is looking more hobo than ever. Dorian is in flaming orange. Cassandra is in a Templar outfit, and lastly my inquisitor is walking around in his bare feet.

NOBODY EXPECTS THE MISMATCH INQUISITION!

 

I did try and catch some images of them and ended up with this. Oh Solas, u so shexy.

 

DragonAgetrade_Inquisition_2015010623183

 

 

 

Speaking of customisation. What route did you all take with Skyhold? Did you Dalish it all out for your Lavellans? I didn't really do much with in my Female Lavellan run because it was a quick one. But this time round, because I (and therefore my Male Lavellan because he's a bit of a self insert) think I'm hilarious, I decided to take a particular route to impress Mother Giselle after her whole 'This man is from Tevinter, his presence at your side...' lecture of concern about Dorian.

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I'm just going to pretend that clipping is his unique nose piercing.

Well I did think that it was face jewelry, like they wear in India. I prefer my explanation, lol

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 How badly do all of us want to see the real Andruil or Falon'Din or Dirthamen or even....JUUUUUUNE?  

 

Wait, is that an intentional list right there?  @w@   Because various theory suggests that we already have.


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