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[Rabbitonfire]

That's the worst. I'm sorry. 

 

 

Top of page Solas:

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I like how his expression is "but that's got nothing to do with me" and his words are "oh god I hope this works please this has to work."

Every time I see Mulan, I think of honor and dishonor.

[Arlee]

Lol, I was just catching up on pages and I saw the question about what do the Cullenites possibly have to talk about, and I have to admit half the time I have to double check which thread I am posting because the convos in both threads tend to be remarkably similar

[Mims]

Oh, very nice. I see that auto saved content button. I recovered it, but now I feel like pondering further before posting. Thanks for the heads up! I have to say, bioware's new forum system is really slick. A lot nicer than I've seen in other places. 

 

 

So why WOULDN'T killing all the archdemons stop the Blights?  Well, maybe there's something worse down there below even the Old Gods, something that if corrupted or released would be far worse than any one Blight?  Like, I dunno, a massive ancient elven city trapped at the center of the world for thousands of years? 

 

I particularly like the theory that Arlathan might have been the source for red lyrium, either because Andruil brought it there, or that is where it was developed. Something caused Tevinter [or the elves] to sink their city into the earth. Why not just take the city for your own? If all the elves that were there were nothing but slaves or push overs, why destroy a perfectly good city that is presumably even more advanced then your own? 

 

I think it is a safe bet that the Grey Wardens are wrong in their approach to dealing with the old gods. Almost everyone who possesses some form knowledge not bound by the modern era seems to think that it is a very bad idea. And while none of them are quick to suggest an alternative [probably because their exists no alternative], I am inclined to agree that killing all the old gods would result in some bad consequence. 

 

I have three theories as to what might happen should we run out of old gods to kill.

 

"Something worse is down there." Fantasy is always filled with monsters buried under the earth. But there is one unknown entity that has not directly shown itself, and that's whatever this mysterious 'singer' is. If the elven gods were corrupted with red lyrium [and assuming that they are not the source of the song], then something very powerful is behind the blight. It could be the forgotten ones. Or it could be something even greater. Whatever it is, killing all the old gods will probably do nothing to hamper it. 

 

"The Darkspawn crave a leader." The Architect has shown us that darkspawn can regain a form of sentience, and without it, all darkspawn are driven mad and compelled to listen to the song. They lack a will and a consciousness of their own. But there is a fair amount of evidence that suggests that an old god, even a corrupted old god, has a sentience to him as an archdemon. Its possible that the darkspawn can sense this 'thought chain', and that is what compels them to dig and dig until they find it. If the grey wardens kill all the old gods, all this does is remove the signal. Now, the darkspawn no longer have the compulsion to live beneath the earth. They swarm Thedas, seeking other ancient entities to corrupt and bind them.

 

"The Old Gods are connected to Thedas." Then there's the possibility that the old gods [possibly the elven gods as well even if they are not one in the same] have an intimate connection to the life of the planet. Either magically, or they are literally what is holding it together. Kill enough of them, and Thedas might die or be thrown into a kind of magical turmoil. 

[Illyria]

I did love the first seasons of Merlin, however...

 

Merlin spoiler incoming. Do not read unless you want hints about the ending of the series:

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... Merlin may break your heart in the end as surely as the Solas romance does.

 

I will agree that there are plenty of ways one can connect Merlin's character to Solas.

 

I should also point out (replying here because I cannot find the original post) that Merlin does a terrible job at writing non-evil or non-dead women and the writers have a frustrating habit of hitting the reset button at the end of the each episode (no-one ever learns anything!  Ever!)  The acting is fantastic, however (in particular Morgana whose actress does a fantastic job at trying to play her as a conflicted anti-hero while given no material to work with) and it is a good show.

[Rabbitonfire]

Lol, I was just catching up on pages and I saw the question about what do the Cullenites possibly have to talk about, and I have to admit half the time I have to double check which thread I am posting because the convos in both threads tend to be remarkably similar

you mean they ask what the solas thread talks about?

[RebbyWriter]

*sigh*

 

I wanted to finish this before we hit 2000 but I still have a lot to do. I might miss the celebration so here's what I have so far..

 

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http://mypixelmuse.t...ebration-of-the

 

The picture is a reference for this, if anyone is curious http://ecx.images-am...51+OCP1DUSL.jpg

[zambixi]

@zambixi - I didn't even think of the party issues.  The only person that left for me was Solas.  So I still have Dorian and Viv - even though Viv says she goes back to Orlais she still shows up in my party select screen.  I made Leliana Divine, but she was still hanging around.  Though I know there was the issue that if you played an Assquistor and were NOT a mage, you may not have had any mages after Solas leaves.  And I know they had said they will not be adding new companions. 

 

For whatever reason, I had read somewhere - maybe it was with laidlaw - the intent was to do post-epilogue DLC.  So the it would be like set-up for whatever is to come and/or resolve some outstanding story issues.  I really could be just quoting that from an errant article and that was the writer's desire.  No idea where I got that idea.

 

I hope I don't have to wait until DA4 for the Solas thing to be resolved.  Another 4-5 years....ugh.  

 

I could see them adding temporary companions but I don't think they'd be companions you can control. There aren't any temporary companions in DAI that you can control IIRC so there might not be the infrastructure for it in the game (wild guess, I don't understand programming). But I do think that's the biggest problem for post-game DLC. Not so much the characters you can drive away (because you can do that at almost any point), but that there's at least one inevitable role that can't be filled if you're not a mage (rift mage). And I don't see them adding Solas back as a companion unless they somehow twist the story to make sense of him not having god-level magical abilities.

 

If you find that interview let me know! I was trying to find the one where they were talking about the format and not having large expansions, but I lost that too... at least I stumbled on the one saying that Laidlaw would personally like more companion content. That was a nice surprise. The fact that they plan to listen to player feedback is also comforting, because it seems like everyone and their pet nug wants more companion content and larger DLC. Not everyone wants the same story (a lot of people want the Warden back, duh. A lot of people want to see Dwarves. There's always a group of Solasmancers asking for Wolf Hunt), but everyone seems to want a Story and not a bunch of random missions. Laidlaw said that the team wasn't even discussing single-player DLC before release so...hopefully they're taking in all this feedback and we will get end-game DLC.

 

LAST BUT NOT LEAST: DA4 will probably come out in closer to ~3-4 years, maybe even fewer. The distance between the ME games was less than three years and DAI came out just a little over 3 years after DA2. Unless they switch engines, they won't have to build everything from the ground-up this time so... I almost wouldn't mind them waiting on Solas until DA4 so long as we have the same protagonist. It could mean that we'll get a really substantive arc instead of a few lines in DLC.

[Arlee]

you mean they ask what the solas thread talks about?

 

Lol, well aside from that There's been speculation about all the Solas things, discussion of the Solas romance (many people have done both), Lots of discussion of various Cullen things (like cat or dog person? Would he be the sort to like hugs or would he be more likely to be sort of standoffish in that respect? etc). There's a lot of random conversation about other things as well

 

Since most of the time I read at work, and most images are blocked at work, I often have to double check which thread I am reading because from the conversations it often could be either. For instance I totally thought the question about what could the Cullenites possibly have to talk about was posted in the Cullen thread at first >< There's a lot in common with the two groups

[madrar]

Oh, very nice. I see that auto saved content button. I recovered it, but now I feel like pondering further before posting. Thanks for the heads up! I have to say, bioware's new forum system is really slick. A lot nicer than I've seen in other places. 

 

<snip snip theory snip>

 

"The Old Gods are connected to Thedas." Then there's the possibility that the old gods [possibly the elven gods as well even if they are not one in the same] have an intimate connection to the life of the planet. Either magically, or they are literally what is holding it together. Kill enough of them, and Thedas might die or be thrown into a kind of magical turmoil. 

 

AHHH, you're killing me!  I'm not sure I can hold back the theory flood until we have a solid answer for the veil when you guys post things like this.

 

Maybe somebody with Twitter could ask Gaider whether "old" veil just means "thick" veil?  That's not so spoilery that he wouldn't reply, right?

[Arlee]

Oh and I almost forgot I wanted to ask something! I'll put it in spoiler though because I suppose it could be a bit of a spoiler if someone hasn't finished the Solas romance yet.

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The waterfall scene happens after the Temple of Mythal right? Is that also when he does the whole breaking up thing? I've been sort of putting it off because I was guessing that was likely but I am pretty close to doing it now and just want to mentally prepare myself as much as possible.

[Arlee]

Maybe somebody with Twitter could ask Gaider whether "old" veil just means "thick" veil?  That's not too spoilery that he wouldn't reply, right?

 

Done I am betting he won't reply though.

[dragondreamer]

Supposedly the Old Gods prompted the Tevinters into attacking Arlathan.  Sounds like a personal problem...and maybe getting rid of the people who might know too much about how to stop them if they ever managed to get their business together.  Also if the Old Gods/Forgotten Ones were trying to completely supplant the Creators, getting rid of their followers would be a step in that direction.  Or perhaps they were encouraging the Tevinters to raid Arlathan for magical knowledge that could aid them in freeing them.  (The Tevinters learned a lot of their magic, including the use of lyrium (which was a major component in the original invasion of the Golden City) from slaves acquired from the conquering of Arlathan.)  The Old Gods then encourage the Tevinters to use their stolen magical knowledge to invade the Golden City...which turns out to be a trick to unleash the Blight. 

 

I theorize that the Blight was originally a creation of the Forgotten Ones that they used to create mindless, soulless slaves, that only they control.  (Perhaps not unlike the binding at Mythal's well, except twisted.)  So they tricked the magisters into unleashing the Blight, which created more slaves for them (darkspawn), which they are constantly calling to, to free them.  It results in their own corruption, but they are desperate.  It's the only way for them to get out of whatever has locked them into what may be a state of permanent uthenera.

[madrar]

Done I am betting he won't reply though.

 

Thank you!  And "yes" to your other question.  ^w^

[couslandia]

I particularly like the theory that Arlathan might have been the source for red lyrium, either because Andruil brought it there, or that is where it was developed. Something caused Tevinter [or the elves] to sink their city into the earth. Why not just take the city for your own? If all the elves that were there were nothing but slaves or push overs, why destroy a perfectly good city that is presumably even more advanced then your own? 

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"The Old Gods are connected to Thedas." Then there's the possibility that the old gods [possibly the elven gods as well even if they are not one in the same] have an intimate connection to the life of the planet. Either magically, or they are literally what is holding it together. Kill enough of them, and Thedas might die or be thrown into a kind of magical turmoil. 

 

Really good point about Arlathan-- I suppose it's not uncommon to completely raze a city in war, but swallowing it whole into the earth seems kind of... extreme? I guess it *is* Tevinter, but by that point, the elves had been ruined by civil war and couldn't put up much of a fight.

 

The last theory is interesting, taken alongside the idea of the archdemon "song" and the "singing" of lyrium. If lyrium is really kind of the blood of a living, if not sentient, world, it's likely that the two songs are connected in some way.  I really need to replay DA:O!  It's also interesting that in DA:I the "archdemon" Corypheus commands is really a Red Lyrium Dragon... but it's indistinguishable enough from an actual archdemon that no one even considers that it's NOT one.  Not completely sure where this train of thought is leading me! 

[Sable Rhapsody]

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The waterfall scene happens after the Temple of Mythal right? Is that also when he does the whole breaking up thing? I've been sort of putting it off because I was guessing that was likely but I am pretty close to doing it now and just want to mentally prepare myself as much as possible.

 

Yup, that's when it happens.  I recommend getting as much of the main game done as possible before the Temple of Mythal and its fallout, and then just burning through the endgame.  The pacing of the endgame is IMO already pretty weak without interrupting it by wandering around the Hissing Wastes in between.

[KyndredRaven]

 

Posting for the morning crowd

 

Chapter 10 of "Path of the Dreamwalker" is now posted! 

 

If you haven't read yet, here are some details:

 

Summary: Scarred by war, torn apart by conflict, and tormented by chaos, Thedas is falling into shadow. The land’s destiny has been broken, and there is only one who can reshape it and set things back on course. Mortals fight for power while ancient Gods fight to be remembered. Can one broken Templar’s wish change the flow of time? (Cullen/F!Inquisitor/Solas)

 

FFnet - https://www.fanficti...the-Dreamwalker

AO3 - http://archiveofouro...hapters/5976014

[MidgetNemo]

I just want to say that I love reading your theories,even if I don´t participate in the discussion Btw does anyone else feel like there´s a third party involved here? I´m thinking about the masked empire and Felassan´s master,what that´s one of the gods or the forgotten ones who wants to get out? Or maybe someone else entirely:p 

[Lady Lionheart]

I found another song.

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POV of Solas if you break up with him first in the 3rd scene.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I just want to say that I love reading your theories,even if I don´t participate in the discussion Btw does anyone else feel like there´s a third party involved here? I´m thinking about the masked empire and Felassan´s master,what that´s one of the gods or the forgotten ones who wants to get out? Or maybe someone else entirely:p 

 

My money is on Felassan's master being someone or something we've heard of before: one of the elven gods, Solas, a Forgotten One, etc.  At a certain point, there's only so many crazy powerful ancient deities you can have running around before it starts to get somewhat diluted.

[Lady Luminous]

Just in case I accidently stirred anything up: 

 

I have huge respect for David Gaider and everyone who works at BioWare, and I would never intentionally bash any one of them. I just don't mesh well with the man. 

[dragondreamer]

I just want to say that I love reading your theories,even if I don´t participate in the discussion Btw does anyone else feel like there´s a third party involved here? I´m thinking about the masked empire and Felassan´s master,what that´s one of the gods or the forgotten ones who wants to get out? Or maybe someone else entirely:p 

 

Perhaps, but I have the unpopular opinion that Felassan was working for

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Fen'Harel.

[Arlee]

Thank you!  And "yes" to your other question.  ^w^

 

Yup, that's when it happens.  I recommend getting as much of the main game done as possible before the Temple of Mythal and its fallout, and then just burning through the endgame.  The pacing of the endgame is IMO already pretty weak without interrupting it by wandering around the Hissing Wastes in between.

 

Ok thanks guys, I'll continue to knock out the other things while investing in some platemail for my heart ><

 

I just want to say that I love reading your theories,even if I don´t participate in the discussion Btw does anyone else feel like there´s a third party involved here? I´m thinking about the masked empire and Felassan´s master,what that´s one of the gods or the forgotten ones who wants to get out? Or maybe someone else entirely:p 

 

I have a feeling there are as many as two or three parties we don't know about involved in things atm. It feels like a pretty complex web of things has been built.

[MidgetNemo]

Right because I was sort of surprised that the elven stuff from the masked empire wasn´t in the game, so maybe it´ll be referenced in a DLC and that´ll set up the main villain for the next game,sort of like how they did with Cory? Btw,how hard is it to start the Solas romance if you ally with the templars?

[Shari'El]

I started a new PT... With another Lavellan. This time on nightmare (which is indeed, nightmarish).

 

I'm avoiding exerting all of the dialog options with Solas (so it would seem more realistic XD) but if you speak with him a second time after coming to Haven he speaks about an artifact used to open the breach.

Why doesn't anyone get suspicious he even brings that up? He is extremely certain of the fact an artifact was used & entirely positive that the artifact didn't get shattered at the blast. Sure, he is a self-taught apostate and a fade expert, but it still doesn't explain how and why he would assume such a thing. It's not even a suggestion, he stated it as a fact!

 

The only reason Solas didn't get caught is because of pure luck XD

He slips oh so often with his words, it's amusing.

[Mims]

Perhaps, but I have the unpopular opinion that Felassan was working for

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Fen'Harel.

 

I don't know if I'd say unpopular! That's clearly the direction the author intends for you to assume. I'm not convinced that it is clear cut, and ultimately speculating is just more fun. But it is certainly not an unwelcome opinion.