That is such an emotional picture it breaks my heart. Further proof that his cinematics person needs praise. All the praise.
Indeed. I practically live with screen capture key on all the time and the range of emotions he goes through is just amazing. He has such a beautiful face 
I do have to ask though, is it just me that's a little tired of the Fen'haral stuff? It's just that, throughout the game he's just Solas, passionate, restrained but compassionate. I kinda just like him, as you see him in-game, and I don't really care about the reveal so much. Sometimes I feel that all the love has been subsumed (Eddie Izzard always comes to mind with that word) into the idea of his God-ness-ism and away from the character as you know him. I hope that if Bioware do take his character forward in the future, he's still himself, even if there is an aspect of big bad, and he's not turned into some all powerful wolf god. I like the hobo apostate, he suits hobo chic.
No, that's been my opinion for awhile and is one others seem to share. People are making an image of him based on... hell if I know what, because that image is not who we saw Solas to be in the game. They're taking away who he is in favor of what they want him to be, which isn't so different from what the Dalish have done. No wonder he's so tired. I'm tired just seeing it. 
Does anyone think the bard is a psychic? She sang about samson before I even met the guy and also sang about Sera before I recruited her.
Can I just say how I'm one shot-ing enemies with my bow at very low levels? I never did that even on casual game play as a warrior or mage.
Damn I love being an archer.
Are you using a crafted bow? Because the Bow of the Dragon the game gave after the tutorial is giving me a headache. 'Weak' would be an understatement.
Perhaps I notice the difference because I'm playing after mage playthroughs? Arrows certainly cannot bypass armour.
No no, it's not just you at all. I even found myself saying to myself earlier "Man, I wish you were still just Solas...".
I'm not quite with you lot, but I certainly understand. 
Thing is, there's a lot of hints, from very early on, that Solas is more than he seems. He does not act like his cover story would suggest he should. He's much more charismatic, cunning, and experienced than he tries to let on. For me, the reveal turns Fen'harel from a shadowy and kinda cool sounding trickster archetype into a multi-layered, sympathetic, but worrisome character. A man on Flemeth's scale of power, but one with whom we have a more intimate connection.
He's still the hobo apostate we met. It's just that hobo apostates can be complicated characters. With interesting past occupations.
I do have to ask though, is it just me that's a little tired of the Fen'haral stuff? It's just that, throughout the game he's just Solas, passionate, restrained but compassionate. I kinda just like him, as you see him in-game, and I don't really care about the reveal so much. Sometimes I feel that all the love has been subsumed (Eddie Izzard always comes to mind with that word) into the idea of his God-ness-ism and away from the character as you know him. I hope that if Bioware do take his character forward in the future, he's still himself, even if there is an aspect of big bad, and he's not turned into some all powerful wolf god. I like the hobo apostate, he suits hobo chic.
Well,I like the idea that as Fen'Harel, Solas probably tried really hard to fight for the freedom of slaves. I like the hero aspect of the Fen'Harel identity.
I do have to ask though, is it just me that's a little tired of the Fen'haral stuff? It's just that, throughout the game he's just Solas, passionate, restrained but compassionate. I kinda just like him, as you see him in-game, and I don't really care about the reveal so much. Sometimes I feel that all the love has been subsumed (Eddie Izzard always comes to mind with that word) into the idea of his God-ness-ism and away from the character as you know him. I hope that if Bioware do take his character forward in the future, he's still himself, even if there is an aspect of big bad, and he's not turned into some all powerful wolf god. I like the hobo apostate, he suits hobo chic.
In a way, perhaps. The fact that everyone is focusing in Fen'Harel is because he is one of 2 dieties that we know anything about, or have an impact on the DA universe in the current setting. I think that because Solas as a person is so different than what Fen'Harel in story snippets is like also gives it a lot of appeal. Some of the more investigative people in the thread tend to theorycraft how (if Fen'Harel's tales are accurate about his personality/attitude) we get from uncaring wolf god who is kind of a dick, to passionate, compassionate, and introverted nerd Solas.
Flemeth/Mythal get lots of words too since she has had a more visible influence on events, we have stories about Mythal's character, and she and Fen'Harel were super tight friends. Flemeth herself may not even be similar to Mythal in personality, only goal. There are no other elven gods that seem to be active in the sphere of Thedas' history. We've only learned a little bit more about the dwarves and how they relate to both history and current events.
No no, it's not just you at all. I even found myself saying to myself earlier "Man, I wish you were still just Solas...".
Nooo, you've got to fight that feeling. It's not real.
If you let Solas-as-Fen'Harel or Solas-as-Dirthamen/Falon'Din make his character larger than life in your head, you're falling prey to the exact effect Elvhen "godhood" was intended to have on their followers. It's an intentionally imposing mask, nothing more. Behind it, he's still Solas. The same prickly, stubborn, idealistic, smooth talking, fade-kissing egg he's always been.
...or did you mean it's the mortal / immortal thing that makes him feel unreachable?
Does anyone think the bard is a psychic? She sang about samson before I even met the guy and also sang about Sera before I recruited her.
I really hope not because she told me to fall on my sword when I used Cullen for her war table mission...
I do have to ask though, is it just me that's a little tired of the Fen'haral stuff? It's just that, throughout the game he's just Solas, passionate, restrained but compassionate. I kinda just like him, as you see him in-game, and I don't really care about the reveal so much. Sometimes I feel that all the love has been subsumed (Eddie Izzard always comes to mind with that word) into the idea of his God-ness-ism and away from the character as you know him. I hope that if Bioware do take his character forward in the future, he's still himself, even if there is an aspect of big bad, and he's not turned into some all powerful wolf god. I like the hobo apostate, he suits hobo chic.
i'm the opposite. i want more Fen'harel info, i want to know what him and Mythal are up to, what happened with Arlathan and why/how elves doomed themselves, that orb Solas cared about, what was it exactly and what happened to Mythal? what happened to Urthemiel? my Lavellan is a nice place to live (the anchor and all that magic/elfy staff), if Mythal is interested :3
i don't care about Solas/Lavellan at all, it's a nice story but that's ended already 
Are you using a crafted bow? Because the Bow of the Dragon the game gave after the tutorial is giving me a headache. 'Weak' would be an understatement.
Perhaps I notice the difference because I'm playing after mage playthroughs? Arrows certainly cannot bypass armour.
Compared to a mage playthrough, archery will seem very weak in comparison. At first. While you start with fire and lightning as a mage, you'll have to wait a few levels before acquiring any active archery talents. The backflip multiburst is a lot of fun, especially with the knockdown upgrade. The passive one before that increases damage with elevation is not to be scoffed at either. Even just being on a crate or a little hill can trigger it.
The archer's lance that makes it go through multiple enemies will be your friend. It'll be fun one-shotting wraiths at Rifts if you can fire when they're lined up.
Basically: just give it some time. You start out kind of piddly, but get much more awesome a little later.
Nooo, you've got to fight that feeling. It's not real.
If you let Solas-as-Fen'Harel or Solas-as-Dirthamen/Falon'Din make his character larger than life in your head, you're falling prey to the exact effect Elvhen "godhood" was intended to have on their followers. It's just a mask, nothing more. Behind it, he's still Solas. The same prickly, stubborn, idealistic, smooth talkin' ladies-man he's always been.
...or did you mean it's the mortal / immortal thing that makes him feel unreachable?
I think the mortal/immortal thing tbh. Haha, you did make me feel better though... I'm tired and fragile after going through the scene again earlier... so braining not good right now.
I am interested in both Fen'Harel and Solas but in different ways. I would like to see something released similar to Leliannas Song or just Quiz finding a memory of Fen'Harel in the fade just 'cause it would tie them together instead of separating them, as some people are doing.
I mean, I am not the person I was when I was younger but I still hold on to a few things from my youth. Same thing goes for him and I can see the little bits of Fen'Harel that are burning inside of him...Or I dunno..Maybe its a writers thing to be obsessed with character development. lol 
I do have to ask though, is it just me that's a little tired of the Fen'haral stuff? It's just that, throughout the game he's just Solas, passionate, restrained but compassionate. I kinda just like him, as you see him in-game, and I don't really care about the reveal so much. Sometimes I feel that all the love has been subsumed (Eddie Izzard always comes to mind with that word) into the idea of his God-ness-ism and away from the character as you know him. I hope that if Bioware do take his character forward in the future, he's still himself, even if there is an aspect of big bad, and he's not turned into some all powerful wolf god. I like the hobo apostate, he suits hobo chic.
I don't mind Fen'Harel twist but I adored him before that and to some extent regret it since I am not sure what the future will bring. I hope nothing drastic, since so far both my pcs are very fond of him. I would be very disappointed if the option of saving him/siding with him was available or made sense only to Dalish inquisitor. On the other hand I generally like a bit of angst and drama every now and again. To be honest at the start of the game I thought he would possibly be the one angst free 
Before I forget. Can someone who is early in the game with a Lavellan and has this fresh in mind, help poke my memory about what is said about Clan Lavellan's dealing with humans? I was under the impression that they often traded with them (and it's what I based a lot of my headcannon for my male Lavellan around) but when you look at Andruil's mosaic in the Temple of Mythal and pick the elf answer, my Lavellan was all 'My clan stayed away from human settlements and kept to ourselves." So did they just trade with randoms they met on the road? Or did I just totally make the whole human interaction thing up?
Well, Clan Lavellan traveled in the Free Marches because roaming in the regions between the city-states meant that humans were less likely to try to attack them (since they didn't want to accidentally provoke a war with one of their neighbors), and Lavellan can point out that bigoted humans were a problem for Clan Lavellan when she brings up how more inflammatory stories are being told about the Dalish because the 'Herald of Andraste' is an elf.
Also, running through the Temple of Mythal without Solas and Dorian on your team is a crime. They both bring so much more to that run. Cassandra I could do without. ILY Cass but STFU.
Well, Cassandra reminded me of Anders in the sense that they push their Andrastian ideology - the former tries to impose his views on Merrill, while Cassandra tries to nudge Lavellan and Solas towards faith in the Maker. It's not surprising that she sees the elven rites as 'heathen' rituals.
I suppose since I was already spoiled by the time I played the game, I've never really seen them as separate entities.
Another reason why I like Solas as Fen'harel is because it makes the story so much sadder. Solas as Solas would probably end up as more of a Cullen-type romance. It would still be good, but it wouldn't have as much feels and depth.
I was spoiled too, with the rest of you, I'm just feeling a bit down in the dumps about how it all went down..just tonight anyway. If he wasn't who he was then, yeah. I should probably sleep...
I do have to ask though, is it just me that's a little tired of the Fen'haral stuff? It's just that, throughout the game he's just Solas, passionate, restrained but compassionate. I kinda just like him, as you see him in-game, and I don't really care about the reveal so much. Sometimes I feel that all the love has been subsumed (Eddie Izzard always comes to mind with that word) into the idea of his God-ness-ism and away from the character as you know him. I hope that if Bioware do take his character forward in the future, he's still himself, even if there is an aspect of big bad, and he's not turned into some all powerful wolf god. I like the hobo apostate, he suits hobo chic.
In a way, perhaps. The fact that everyone is focusing in Fen'Harel is because he is one of 2 dieties that we know anything about, or have an impact on the DA universe in the current setting. I think that because Solas as a person is so different than what Fen'Harel in story snippets is like also gives it a lot of appeal. Some of the more investigative people in the thread tend to theorycraft how (if Fen'Harel's tales are accurate about his personality/attitude) we get from uncaring wolf god who is kind of a dick, to passionate, compassionate, and introverted nerd Solas.
Flemeth/Mythal get lots of words too since she has had a more visible influence on events, we have stories about Mythal's character, and she and Fen'Harel were super tight friends. Flemeth herself may not even be similar to Mythal in personality, only goal. There are no other elven gods that seem to be active in the sphere of Thedas' history. We've only learned a little bit more about the dwarves and how they relate to both history and current events.
I....actually love it. Sure the fandom focuses a lot on "Fen'Harel" as he is portrayed in the mythology, because as electricfish says we have a lot more information about Fen'Harel, plus the Dread Wolf fits nicely into the trickster archetype that we're all very familiar with. So it's pretty easy to take that character and say "ah yes he would do x, and he would do y," and at some point in Solas' history those actions may have even been accurate.
But I think one of the reasons Solas is so interesting as a character is because he subverts the expectations we have of the trickster character. He does not act like Fen'Harel from the myths - at least not when we see him. He doesn't act godlike at all and doesn't consider himself to be such. I don't think that's because he's putting on a ruse, I think that's how he is and part of the reason why he thinks it's so ridiculous that he or any of the other elven "gods" would ever be worshiped.
Then you look at Flemythal and it seems pretty clear: she is much more "divine". She seems to know what is going on with an almost prophetic clarity. She has powers far beyond almost anyone else in the game. She helps the hero but only to serve her own interests. She's mysterious and amoral. But she comes from the exact same pantheon as Fen'Harel, so it makes me wonder how he could be so normal while she is so clearly supernatural. Then I wonder how much of her godhood is derived from something inherent in her being and how much comes from the perception of the People.
A lot of the divinities in Thedas are distant, and Solas is the first one that we get to see "up close". We know him, in spirit if not explicitly. I think the dissonance some feel between the guy we know and the entity "Fen'Harel" is AWESOME because that's how it should feel. Solas isn't a god and he doesn't want you to think of him that way and struggling with the way we normally view divine figures and how they actually appear to us is sort of the whole point of DAI.
/gushing
Another reason why I like Solas as Fen'harel is because it makes the story so much sadder. Solas as Solas would probably end up as more of a Cullen-type romance. It would still be good, but it wouldn't have as much feels and depth.
That's the thing, Solas is Solas, and whatever else he is doesn't change that. But it's as if so many are taking him out of himself and turning him in to the legend that we know from lore. He could certainly have been that way, or might be again, but discounting what we do know of the man himself and making him in to that as it stands? That is its own kind of sad.
Guess it doesn't matter who you are or what you actually do, people will remember what they want to and to hell with what's true.
And I wanted to punch Cassandra right in her blathering mouf when she started going off about heathens at the temple. Gee, Cass, I helped you with your goddamn Seeker quest and have been your friend and polite about this Maker-Andraste-Holy crap, and this is what you do? What, you scared or something? My gods were clearly real in some capacity and yours is just on faith so you have to dis me and mine? Pfft.
We're still friends. She just got the stink-eye for awhile.
It felt like that to many of us too...here, blanket fort.
Ha! Oh you're good..That's lovely ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
That's the thing, Solas is Solas, and whatever else he is doesn't change that. But it's as if so many are taking him out of himself and turning him in to the legend that we know from lore. He could certainly have been that way, or might be again, but discounting what we do know of the man himself and making him in to that as it stands? That is its own kind of sad.
Guess it doesn't matter who you are or what you actually do, people will remember what they want to and to hell with what's true.
And I wanted to punch Cassandra right in her blathering mouf when she started going off about heathens at the temple. Gee, Cass, I helped you with your goddamn Seeker quest and have been your friend and polite about this Maker-Andraste-Holy crap, and this is what you do? What, you scared or something? My gods were clearly real in some capacity and yours is just on faith so you have to dis me and mine? Pfft.
We're still friends. She just got the stink-eye for awhile.
I'm so not taking her there...when I go again...
It felt like that to many of us too...here, blanket fort.
You use that picture all the time, and I'm just thinking... isn't the tent overcrowded?
That's the thing, Solas is Solas, and whatever else he is doesn't change that. But it's as if so many are taking him out of himself and turning him in to the legend that we know from lore. He could certainly have been that way, or might be again, but discounting what we do know of the man himself and making him in to that as it stands? That is its own kind of sad.
Guess it doesn't matter who you are or what you actually do, people will remember what they want to and to hell with what's true.
And I wanted to punch Cassandra right in her blathering mouf when she started going off about heathens at the temple. Gee, Cass, I helped you with your goddamn Seeker quest and have been your friend and polite about this Maker-Andraste-Holy crap, and this is what you do? What, you scared or something? My gods were clearly real in some capacity and yours is just on faith so you have to dis me and mine? Pfft.
We're still friends. She just got the stink-eye for awhile.
"Looks like I'm more the Herald of Mythal, now, doesn't it, Cass?"
"*disgusted noise*"
I know I'm super late on this, but whatever man I had to work so I can afford to spend hours playing with Solas. DAMN THE MAN LET'S SAVE SOLAS!
this was pretty 100% accurate for me.
also, here is another track for the solas x lavellan playlist, came up in shuffle today while I was working and it hit me right in that spot, you know, the one where all the SOLASFEELS are, yeah man, right about 1:35 is where it hit me.
Lyrics:
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