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[_Lucinia]

Solas, Cass, get down from there!  What are you doing?

 

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They were walking across that wagon like it was a treadmill.  

[Mims]

I have the weirdest feeling that Solas/fen'harel and Dirthamen are the same person. I have all these images in my mind that make me think that but I don't know how to explain it in words yet. 

 

Just the way Mythal touches Solas when they see each other. I just. I get that feeling. 

 

I don't think Solas needs to be Dirthamen to have been Mythal's son. [Biologically or just in terms of their relationship.] I do think they had a mother-son connection rather than lovers, as some have speculated. 

 

I don't honestly think we're going to see Fen'harel turn out to be another god. That's when you start getting a bit muddled. Its possible the Forgotten Ones call him by another name, and he has a place in their 'pantheon' as well, but we don't know much about them. 

[Sashimi_taco]

here you go. 

 

 

maybe you guys can hear more than me. There is one point where a creepy voice says i think but it's too fast for me.

[Mims]

To append on another thought I forgot to add...if Dirthamen/Falon'Din betrayed Mythal, and they were her sons- is that why she only has daughters now?

[Caddius]

One thing I've considered is whether humans used to be elves - in fact, whether everyone used to be elves. Because of that weird thing where a half-elven, half-human child just comes out human. What if the "quickening" involved people splitting into different races somehow?

 

Okay, it doesn't sound that likely. But still. Fun to think about.

The quickening and the 'human child pops out' are very curious.

Going off the timeline, it seems like humanity slowly spread out over centuries, with the Elvenhan regarding them either as 'quick children' or as annoying barbarians. Regardless, they were perfectly poised to rise up after Arlathan's fall.

I desperately want a 'Last Flight' book, but instead about the first Tevinter Archons and Tevinter's rise. Very Roman like, conquering the neighboring tribes and forging a civilization from it.

For awhile, I thought the Primeval Thaig may have been an elf settlement. Maybe elves and dwarves share common roots? Doesn't sound like it from Kieran's comments.

The Par Vollen Pyramids depict horned beings that are worshiped. Obviously this is like the Aztec legends of the white-faced God Quetzacoatl coming back from his incest-driven exile across the ocean in a certain year. Cue Cortez.

Except in this case, cue dragon-descended Qunari? Unless the ancient humans were worshiping the Creators or Forbidden Ones during a particularly unfashionable century or something, my money's on the horned figures being dragons. Or kossith.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[OxidantsHappen]

One thing I've considered is whether humans used to be elves - in fact, whether everyone used to be elves. Because of that weird thing where a half-elven, half-human child just comes out human. What if the "quickening" involved people splitting into different races somehow?

 

Okay, it doesn't sound that likely. But still. Fun to think about.

 

So i don't normally do crazy theories but i've been thinking:

 

if your assumption is correct and everyone used to be elves, what if the other races are more like a genetic mutation? like for example: if an elf and any other race procreate, the resulting offspring has the same phenotype as the non-elven race.  this works like dominant and recessive genes in genetics. what if the elven gene is recessive, so whenever they mate with another species/race/whatever the dominant gene will completely "take over" the phenotype- which is why only two elves can have an elven baby.  so this brings me to my next thing: the terror demon says the qunari race is a mistake.  like a genetic experiment gone wrong? i mean, ghilan'nain already has a somewhat mad-scientist reputation for experimenting and creating creatures, what if the qunari were the result of genetic experimentation? 

 

...annddd now i feel like i'm in school.. next thing you know i'll start using proper grammar and capitalizing my sentences. maker forbid.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Liec]

Has anyone tried to reverse the audio from the whispers heard during the Flemeth scenes?

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Sashimi_taco]

Has anyone tried to reverse the audio from the whispers heard during the Flemeth scenes?

 

which one? the one in the fade or the one at her shrine?

 

The answer is yes.

[OxidantsHappen]

This is the very thing I've been suspecting. I wonder if she's behind the humans and the quickening as well.

 

like what if the quickening isn't a disease but a random mutation? Then anytime the affected individuals reproduced with an elf, they would pass on the dominant mutated gene and bango presto human babies!

 

EDIT: if i ever have children this is how I'm explaining where babies come from.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[OxidantsHappen]

I totally forgot about that, good point. scratch my crazy theory.  unless it worked like a retrovirus, but i think now i'm just reaching.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Gwyvian]

I hear ya. Personally, I only cared about helping the elves. When Lavellan met Briala, I only cared about supporting her so she could make a better future for elves. When the advisers said that it would be best to put Gaspard on the throne for her to control since she and Celene had too much bad blood, and one of the elven servants revealed that Celene had purged an alienage while sleeping with Briala (a b*tch move by any standards), I resolved to do that. I tested the "spare Celene" route just to see what would happen, but at best she banishes Briala. When my Lavellan lamented not being able to help her fellow elves afterwards and Solas kind of went, "Our people? Who are our--oh, you mean elves! Sorry, I don't consider myself to have much in common with other elves... I hope in the future you can see more than just pointed ears," I thought, "H*LL NO!" and stayed the course. I felt guilty about letting Celene die when I came to the palace to protect her, but I care more about helping disenfranchised minorities than privileged nobles who already have everything gaining more.

 

(Plus, Celene and Gaspard have caused so much grief with their civil war that it was a little pleasing to see that neither of them won. Celene paid for butchering elves to maintain her own power, and Gaspard got exactly what he wanted - he got the throne. He just didn't count on not being the one to call the shots. )

 

I went through this with the same mentality, the moment I realized I could help the situation of the elves I wanted to go that route, but... Gaspard, well, I was hesitant to put him in power even if it would have been a puppet regime. Then as I went on with the story and got to the point of Briala's "tying up the loose ends" with one of her own people - that's when it snapped in me. (Plus I really, really liked exposing Florianne. I did NOT want to lose that!) I mean, it's great and all that she wants to rectify the situation of elves, but she's trying to do it playing at the human's own game, which includes killing off anyone who knows her secrets. Normally I would be impressed - but she was obviously doing such a shoddy job of it that I decided she's become just as bad as Celene and Gaspard in a way (which is why it was so satisfying to bully all three of them into doing what I say). So I was not impressed, not at all. I felt that as a Dalish, my Lavellan would have a kind of disdain for this fiasco that Briala calls a rebellion, and in truth, I wasn't out for Celene's blood for the same reason that Solas ultimately expressed - those are not my people, elves or no elves. First time through I expressed lament at Briala's exile, then when I finally decided on the blackmail route I told him I think she got what she deserved and believed it.

As for Solas' reaction... I had a mixed feeling about it at first, I agreed that he is more than a pair of pointed ears which got the response I wanted   but at the same time I think the naive Dalish inside my Lavellan was quietly crying that he didn't feel an affinity for my people. In hindsight, I can totally relate and I saw that his is a different type of concern for "the people" - no more qualms at all, just gooey approval for everything he says and does.

 

 

Yeah, I gotta admit my Lavellan was a little put off by how much he was enjoying himself. She was miserable playing politics, and went over to her beloved, who is normally so nice, polite, friendly, and detached, hoping that this calming presence would help calm her nerves. (Not to mention hoped that he could commiserate as a fellow scruffy elven apostate who can't believe these sparkling liars and crooks.)  Then he loved it arguably more than the nobles present, and she's like, "... Who are you??!! D:"

 

But once it was over and she managed to help the elves like she wanted, it was like the whole world breathed a sigh of relief and all was forgiven. The dance more than made up for it.  

 

Haha, exactly. My Lavellan was a rogue, so all this cunning trickery and back-stabbing-while-smiling was kind of her thing to begin with, but mostly I felt that it's her ruthless lack of wanting to help these machinating shems that set the mood, so half the time I wanted to kick everyone and the other half I wanted sympathy for having to suffer through this charade. I didn't trust anyone and grew increasingly angry at all the attempts to butter my paws, but I was expecting to have some kind of wonderful scene of soothing Solas and instead, well... but after a while (after lots of toiling about and enduring ridiculous false niceties) I thought to myself "yes, good! Show these ignorant shems how its done!" *smug* And then the dance just made a beautiful finish, a true triumph, a moment snipped out of time in the grand and secret conspiracy between two elves who just outplayed everyone at their own game with ridiculous ease. It's really hard not to gush about this part of the story.

 

 

Nice. I imagine my Lavellan messed up the first time, asking questions a little too straightforwardly in one conversation and losing some court approval, but quickly caught on to how detached people are supposed to behave and managed to "fake it till she made it." After dancing with Flourentine, she managed to become the Belle of the Ball (actual achievement!), so it was really satisfying.

 

I was pretty nervous at the beginning but I thought that being utterly neutral suits her just fine - I don't tell anyone more than what I want to. Being secretive in front of allies who could turn to enemies any second is her thing to a fault, and it almost coincidentally turned out to be just what was needed. (But then I also have a Wheel of Time background in "the Great Game" that gave me a lot of pointers, hahaha.)

 

 

(I do imagine though that at one point she walked by Solas calm as you please - then vomited into a potted plant, ignored his alarmed "Are you all right, vhenan?!", rinsed her mouth off with a glass of minted water provided by an elven servant, exhaled deeply, visibly smoothed herself over as she suppressed her nerves into a pocket deep inside her stomach, then walked back out into the ball as calm as you please and managed not to betray any more nerves until it was over.)

 

It is nice to savor though, huh? I was in a hurry to finish this playthrough too, so actually appreciate it now that it's over. >_<

 

Aww, yes! I imagined sobbing on his shoulder every time I passed him, especially after all my failed attempts at fixing the mess I made of the quest - I only managed to salvage it, but THIS time.......... it will be perfect, meticulously planned and savored. With lots and lots of hard saves. I don't know what I'm going to do once I get past the Well of Sorrows, though...  I mean, part of me likes it the most but then I know what stark pain awaits right after it. *dies* I'm really looking forward to playing it through with the added context of Fen'Harel, though...

[Gwyvian]

If we're comparing elves to vulcans i just need to throw this out there:  

 

solas in pon farr.

I love it!   

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[madrar]

 

Special bonus tinfoil hat thought: he's the god of secrets. Does he have the power to reverse or restore the secrets of the void that Mythal purged from Andruil's mind?

 

I've been wondering that myself.  I know most here aren't on board with Solas = Falon'Din/Dirthamen, but exactly how Dirthamen's power works is a really important question, given that Andruil is likely the only one besides Elgar'nan who knew how to direct an eluvian to the Void, where the True Sun (primordial dragon Maker and source of the blight) is still locked away.  

 

If you subscribe to my chain of events, Solas was restored to the Pantheon for his role in subduing Andruil- very specifically for wiping knowledge of that secret path from her mind.   But did he take that knowledge into himself?   Or did it "wash away" Cole-style, lost forever?  

 

Whether Solas knows is a key element in pinning down what his Big Plan is.  If he doesn't, then Elgar'nan is still the only known entity with access to the void and the blight within.  If he does... then the race is on.  

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Blackout62]

I went through this with the same Haha, exactly. My Lavellan was a rogue, so all this cunning trickery and back-stabbing-while-smiling was kind of her thing to begin with,

 

For the Orlesian court all of DA:I I just headcanon that any Lavellan trained to be able to integrate in human society. They were sent to spy on the conclave, can't imagine that was done without any prep-work. How else would they know fantasy card games and fantasy chess?

[Sable Rhapsody]

Haha, exactly. My Lavellan was a rogue, so all this cunning trickery and back-stabbing-while-smiling was kind of her thing to begin with, but mostly I felt that it's her ruthless lack of wanting to help these machinating shems that set the mood, so half the time I wanted to kick everyone and the other half I wanted sympathy for having to suffer through this charade. I didn't trust anyone and grew increasingly angry at all the attempts to butter my paws, but I was expecting to have some kind of wonderful scene of soothing Solas and instead, well... but after a while (after lots of toiling about and enduring ridiculous false niceties) I thought to myself "yes, good! Show these ignorant shems how its done!" *smug* And then the dance just made a beautiful finish, a true triumph, a moment snipped out of time in the grand and secret conspiracy between two elves who just outplayed everyone at their own game with ridiculous ease. It's really hard not to gush about this part of the story.

 

My rogue Lavellan also played the Game like a pro, which is kind of hilarious since she's such a gentle-hearted person and rarely lies if she can help it.  But the ingenue card was her weapon.  "Oh, look at the pretty little Dalish girl!  Isn't she precious?"  She took the way the Orlesians look down on and fetishize her people, got them to underestimate her, and turned it against them effortlessly.

 

I think she quickly comes to really enjoy the Game; it's a chance to flex her mental muscles, and she honestly doesn't mind messing up the lives of a few nobles if it's going to improve the lot of many more people and strengthen the Inquisition.  It also teaches her poise and mental control under enormous pressure, something that she desperately needs after losing Solas hard on the heels of the breakup.

[panamakira]

Oh man that crazy theory about all races coming from Elves sounds mighty interesting~ Also someone mentioned those first humans were the first mages? 

 

Also how old is our lovable Egg-head supposed to be? He's been around since the beginning of time? Yep, looking good old man.

 

Sorry, I'm just full of questions and zero answers.

[InkQuest]

here you go. 

 

 

maybe you guys can hear more than me. There is one point where a creepy voice says i think but it's too fast for me.

 

I may very well be wrong, but where it says "travel far, don't speak" I'm hearing "travel far, don't look back" at the same time. 

[Gwyvian]

For the Orlesian court all of DA:I I just headcanon that any Lavellan trained to be able to integrate in human society. They were sent to spy on the conclave, can't imagine that was done without any prep-work. How else would they know fantasy card games and fantasy chess?

 

This is true. I generally play this type of rogue character to begin with so I took it for granted, but this adds a great background to it!