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[madrar]

Whoa

 

> Once upon a time there was a land of elves, ruled by Elgar'nan

> Mythal, queen of the humans, arrives onto this land's shores, forever becoming associated with the sea she crossed to get there

> Elgar'nan and Mythal marry, uniting the two peoples

> The secrets of magic and immortality are shared among kings and queens, including immortality - which involves transferring a soul to a new body

> Ghilan'nain in particular becomes obsessed with trying to perfect the ideal host

> Somewhere down the line, one of Ghilan'nain's experiments either go terribly wrong... or she intentionally unleashes it upon the rest of the world. 

> Cue years of civil war

 

??

 

Whoa indeed.

 

I'm totally with you on Ghilan'nain's "thing" being creating various hosts for Pantheon OGSes to pop into.  Dragons for war,  symbolic beast icons for day-to-day temple worship and talking with your priests, monstrous prison-forms for traitors tossed into the Void, etc, etc.  I think that's why she was invited to join the Pantheon, honestly.   Mythal as the proto-human, though...  going to have to think hard about that one.

 

So they just gave her pointy ears in her mosaic as a symbolic "one of us" gesture?  

 

Also, wasn't there something weird about a Ghailan'nain - Fen'Harel - Andruil triangle somewhere?  Like he... did something to Ghiilan'nain without Andruil's permission?  OH, never mind.  He hunted Andruil's halla. A teeny voice in my head wonders whether that wasn't a mythical dig at Solas getting a little too chummy with Ghil.  Could explain why she made him that adorable dog!wolf suit to wear once he got out of void-Gitmo, instead of being stuck in monstrous Dread Wolf form.

[Blackout62]

The DLC cant come any sooner. The anticipation is worse than I had when I was dying to know about my Hawke & Anders fate. I feel like Cassandra reading Swords & Shields.

 

I'm prepping for the gut punch reveal that the first DLC will focus on dwarves and stuff.

[OxidantsHappen]

Ok so scratch the part of my theories on human babies, but I think I got the first part right regarding the whole recessive / dominant genes thing but related to immortality rather than human babies.  I'll put my theory into one coherent post:

 

So it could be that humans were caused by a random genetic mutation, but I don't think that's the case anymore. The mythal picture with rounded ears can imply that humans are older than I was assuming.  So what if humans/other races are carriers for a retrovirus? That could be why the 'quickening' is contagious when immortal elves come into contact with humans.  The humans can spread the quickening virus and it transcribes its own foreign dna into the host, thus causing the affected individual to lose their immortality and preventing them from passing on said immortality through the germ line to their offspring.  This goes back to the theory someone said that the quickening was a disease.  The recessive elven gene can explain the phenotypic results observed from cross-species reproduction between elves and non-elves. 

 

Oh gosh. Im trying to explain how video game magic works with science. At least i'm finally using my degree for something. my parents would be so proud.

[Caddius]

Whoa

 

> Once upon a time there was a land of elves, ruled by Elgar'nan

> Mythal, queen of the humans, arrives onto this land's shores, forever becoming associated with the sea she crossed to get there

> Elgar'nan and Mythal marry, uniting the two peoples

> The secrets of magic and immortality are shared among kings and queens, including immortality - which involves transferring a soul to a new body

> Ghilan'nain in particular becomes obsessed with trying to perfect the ideal host

> Somewhere down the line, one of Ghilan'nain's experiments either go terribly wrong... or she intentionally unleashes it upon the rest of the world. 

> Cue years of civil war

 

??

Crazy fan theory hat on.

Elgar'nan, through contact with powerful spirits (the Sun), becomes a powerful mage-king over the primeval elves.

He finds Mythal in the Fade, as another Dreamer. He brings her across the Venefication Sea.

Elgar'nan finds all the most powerful Dreamers in Thedas and teaches them how to wield their power, and makes them his allies in the court of Arlathan. Most of them are elven, as that's the majority race. Mythal is a human. June is a dwarf mage ( ) from before the dwarves lost their connection to the Fade.

Fen'harel is probably an elf. Maybe?

Ghilan'nain is the youngest member, recruited by Andruil.

Crazy fan theory hat is off.

EDIT: This forum is basically Mordin's Genophage team, I've realized. Dynamic wise, I mean.

EDIT EDIT: I'm working on a Migration version of the earlier maps, complete with dates. It'll be pretty basic, but I hope it'll help.

[Sashimi_taco]

 

 

So they just gave her pointy ears in her mosaic as a symbolic "one of us" gesture?  

 

*shrugs* maybe

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Sable Rhapsody]

The DLC cant come any sooner. The anticipation is worse than I had when I was dying to know about my Hawke & Anders fate. I feel like Cassandra reading Swords & Shields.

 

I have never had this much trouble getting over a fictional character.  I love Solas, I love Lavellan, I love their story, and my poor little fangirl heart keeps swinging between extremes of feels like a pendulum.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[sunhair]

has anyone seen this latest vid by Lady Insanity

Spoiler

[Melganne]

Another thing to add in here is that what Solas wants to restore isn't necessarily the Elvhen race but "The People" as they call them. He was also very interested in Dwarven culture when talking to Varric and wanting to restore that as well so it doesn't actually seem too far-fetched that they weren't all Elves. I'm also so god damn interested in what happened to the dwarves and why they no longer have a connection to the fade, because it TOTALLY WASN'T ORIGINALLY THAT WAY.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[jellobell]

Doing the lost temple of Dirthamen tonight and I was wondering what a good party for it was. Solas, obviously, but I know that Dorian has a lot of stuff to say at the temple of Mythal.

[OxidantsHappen]

The only question I have here is how did Mythal not infect the rest of the Pantheon if she were human? Did whatever she partake of to become part of the Pantheon at its inception destroy said retrovirus/ mortality? Keep going, I love what you're coming up with.

 

I tend to get tunnel vision when i theorize so thank you for noticing the holes in my theories! I ... don't know and that is a great question that I didn't even think of! I'm coming up blank on this one

[Caddius]

Quick Timeline rundown:

1FA: Arlathan founded.

3000FA: First contact with the dwarves.

4500FA: Neromenian(Human) Migration from Par Vollen

4750FA: The Quickening is noticed. Possibly legend.

4800FA: Old Gods begin to whisper to humanity from the Golden City. They teach the Neromenian Dreamers magic, who become the rulers and high priests of their tribes.

5185FA: Alamarri migrate to Ferelden, citing a 'shadow goddess' as a problem.

5785FA: Alamarri/Avvar split.

5900FA: The four tribes of Neromenians split into four kingdoms: Tevinter, Neromenian, Barindur, Qarinus.

5990FA: Barindur is destroyed. According to Solas, it was a volcanic eruption.

6005FA: Thalsian, First Priest of Dumat, wields blood magic, and is the first magister. He claims to learn it from Dumat.

6185FA: The Chasind break away from the Alamari and migrate to the Korcari Wilds.

6393FA: Darinius, High King of Neromenian, takes control of Tevinter, uniting the kingdoms.

6400FA: Darinius forges an alliance with the dwarves.

6405FA: Darinius conquers Qarinus, forming the Imperium. First Archon. Dreamers learn the use of lyrium to enter the Fade from elven captives.

6430FA: Endrin Stonehammer moves the capital to Orzammar. (Weird. Trade with surfacers as a reason. There's only Alammari, Avvar, and Ciriane tribes there.)

6614FA: War between the Imperium and Arlathan.

6620FA: The fall of Arlathan.

6700FA: Tevinter conquers the North. They invade across the Waking Sea.

 

EDIT: That's an incredible two thousand years of co-existence between the Neromenian Arrival and the Fall of Arlathan.Where would we pin the Pantheon's Fall in there? When did Arlathan's decline begin?

[Sister Squish]

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EDIT: This forum is basically Mordin's Genophage team, I've realized. Dynamic wise, I mean.

EDIT EDIT: I'm working on a Migration version of the earlier maps, complete with dates. It'll be pretty basic, but I hope it'll help.

 

I would absolutely love to see some of your annotated maps, if you ever would like to post them! 

 

 

Ok so scratch the part of my theories on human babies, but I think I got the first part right regarding the whole recessive / dominant genes thing but related to immortality rather than human babies.  I'll put my theory into one coherent post:

 

So it could be that humans were caused by a random genetic mutation, but I don't think that's the case anymore. The mythal picture with rounded ears can imply that humans are older than I was assuming.  So what if humans/other races are carriers for a retrovirus? That could be why the 'quickening' is contagious when immortal elves come into contact with humans.  The humans can spread the quickening virus and it transcribes its own foreign dna into the host, thus causing the affected individual to lose their immortality and preventing them from passing on said immortality through the germ line to their offspring.  This goes back to the theory someone said that the quickening was a disease.  The recessive elven gene can explain the phenotypic results observed from cross-species reproduction between elves and non-elves. 

 

Oh gosh. Im trying to explain how video game magic works with science. At least i'm finally using my degree for something. my parents would be so proud.

 

@OxidantsHappen how does it feel to be referred to as the "Mordin" of the group? 

[OxidantsHappen]

I would absolutely love to see some of your annotated maps, if you ever would like to post them! 

 

 

 

 

@OxidantsHappen how does it feel to be referred to as the "Mordin" of the group? 

 

I draw the line at singing my amino acids

 

ok maybe just once

 

EDIT: Top of the page. Have a grumpy Solas

 

 

Source:http://www.technolog...on-moments-far/

[madrar]

Add in that Ghilal'nain was a follower of Andruil who traveled into the Void to find the Forgotten ones, brought back Red Lyrium which created those Red-Lyrium Elf Zombies, and started what may have been the first blight, just sans the traditional Archdemon.

IDEA:

Alright, Titans=Primeval Dwarven Hive Mind Entities. Lyrium = Titan Blood. Likely the Anvil of the Void that Caridin used to create the Golems involved said Dwarven Blood Magic with Lyrium. At one point a Tevinter mage attempted to recreate Caridin's experiment UTILIZING CORPSES instead of metal - which created the Harvesters. Same concept, just made out of flesh.

What if the Blight was an attempt to recreate the hive-mind of the Titan-Dwarves, but again using things of Flesh instead of stone? With blood magic instead of Lyrium? And if Lyrium, red lyrium?

EDIT:

Linked from Wiki about Lyrium Wells which Harvesters could tap into for power:
 

 

Wait, wait- isn't the hive mind the Stone?   >_<   My grasp of Dwarviness is abysmal.

 

Is it DA:O or DA:2 I'd have to play to pick up the basic lore on titans, dwarves, and the Profane?

[Janic99]

has anyone seen this latest vid by Lady Insanity

Spoiler

It was uploaded here a while ago. 

[sunhair]

It was uploaded here a while ago. 

ahh this thread moves so fast lol can't keep up with it at times 

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[madrar]

 

What if the Blight was an attempt to recreate the hive-mind of the Titan-Dwarves, but again using things of Flesh instead of stone? With blood magic instead of Lyrium? And if Lyrium, red lyrium?

 

I should really give up and post the full Thedas Theory, screw the veil.  

 

This is exactly why I think Elgarn'nan created the blight.  Kind of.  He created the taint ("sundering the Song") by twisting the blood of the Sun: the pre-veil, pre-pantheon primeval Dragon Maker entity, who he's had at his mercy, imprisoned in the Void since... time immemorial.   Red lyrium is the blighted blood of this Dragon, and the blight itself an attempt to restore the world to absolute Order and mindless obedience to the Sun God Maker... only this time, he's setting himself up as the False Sun.

 

Don't tell Cass.  She won't like it.  

[madrar]

Quick Timeline rundown:

1FA: Arlathan founded.

3000FA: First contact with the dwarves.

4500FA: Neromenian(Human) Migration from Par Vollen

4750FA: The Quickening is noticed. Possibly legend.

4800FA: Old Gods begin to whisper to humanity from the Golden City. They teach the Neromenian Dreamers magic, who become the rulers and high priests of their tribes.

5185FA: Alamarri migrate to Ferelden, citing a 'shadow goddess' as a problem.

5785FA: Alamarri/Avvar split.

5900FA: The four tribes of Neromenians split into four kingdoms: Tevinter, Neromenian, Barindur, Qarinus.

5990FA: Barindur is destroyed. According to Solas, it was a volcanic eruption.

6005FA: Thalsian, First Priest of Dumat, wields blood magic, and is the first magister. He claims to learn it from Dumat.

6185FA: The Chasind break away from the Alamari and migrate to the Korcari Wilds.

6393FA: Darinius, High King of Neromenian, takes control of Tevinter, uniting the kingdoms.

6400FA: Darinius forges an alliance with the dwarves.

6405FA: Darinius conquers Qarinus, forming the Imperium. First Archon. Dreamers learn the use of lyrium to enter the Fade from elven captives.

6430FA: Endrin Stonehammer moves the capital to Orzammar. (Weird. Trade with surfacers as a reason. There's only Alammari, Avvar, and Ciriane tribes there.)

6614FA: War between the Imperium and Arlathan.

6620FA: The fall of Arlathan.

6700FA: Tevinter conquers the North. They invade across the Waking Sea.

 

EDIT: That's an incredible two thousand years of co-existence between the Neromenian Arrival and the Fall of Arlathan.Where would we pin the Pantheon's Fall in there? When did Arlathan's decline begin?

 

This is totally nifty.   Where does it come from, though?   Definitely canon timeline?

[Caddius]

Does anyone have the Wonders of Thedas book on hand?

The wiki only gives me dates on Ferelden tribes and the Neromenians. For Ciriane, Ingirsh, and Planasene, I just get where they ended up.