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[Caddius]

This is totally nifty.   Where does it come from, though?   Definitely canon timeline?

It's a shorthand version of the Dragon Age wiki. Wonders of Thedas, Codex entries, and Writer statements on the forum are most of the references, I'd imagine. A lot of the Arlathan dates are admitted to be guesstimates.E

EDIT: I'm going to go ahead and make a standardized date system for Thedas. Because I'm sick of converting in my head every time I see 5000FA next to 120TE and 6:30 Storm.

*waves fist* I will not bend before Bioware's parlor tricks!

[madrar]

Ok so scratch the part of my theories on human babies, but I think I got the first part right regarding the whole recessive / dominant genes thing but related to immortality rather than human babies.  I'll put my theory into one coherent post:

 

So it could be that humans were caused by a random genetic mutation, but I don't think that's the case anymore. The mythal picture with rounded ears can imply that humans are older than I was assuming.  So what if humans/other races are carriers for a retrovirus? That could be why the 'quickening' is contagious when immortal elves come into contact with humans.  The humans can spread the quickening virus and it transcribes its own foreign dna into the host, thus causing the affected individual to lose their immortality and preventing them from passing on said immortality through the germ line to their offspring.  This goes back to the theory someone said that the quickening was a disease.  The recessive elven gene can explain the phenotypic results observed from cross-species reproduction between elves and non-elves. 

 

Oh gosh. Im trying to explain how video game magic works with science. At least i'm finally using my degree for something. my parents would be so proud.

 

Must find way to incorporate....  How did Solas describe the nature of immortality again?   He shrugged it off as an inherent part of being elven, right?  No magic required?  I remember something like magic was an effect, not a cause.  Elves' access to magic almost certainly has its roots in their half-and-half existence, the holdover from when the veil first went up.  Could the infection path be veil-side?  

 

*brain starts to fry*

 

There is something... here... ugh. 

[Janic99]

BIOWARE YOU TOOK THANE FROM ME!! PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY SOLAS TOO T_T

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[panamakira]

 

While I love our Egg Head, sometimes what he thinks will be wonderful and a good idea, turns out not to be thousands of years later. You know, just throwing that out there... Not to wound his sweet ego or anything. Love him but man, he occasionally needs a reality check and to accept that sometimes, things change. For better or for worse, things change. And working against change rather than guiding its direction is extremely unwise. Likewise, we have a tendency to glorify the past without being able to see it for what it is.

That makes me wonder if his tale of being a kid, walking the Fade in his dreams, being fascinated by what he saw and the memories there wasn't a lie. Perhaps that is the origin of Fen'Harel and he is being entirely honest with you in this moment. Perhaps the world he sees where they inextricably one before the veil is pre-Fen'Harel history and so he glorifies it the way the Dalish glorify Arlathan without a true understanding of that past's dangerous underbelly?

That's exactly how I feel about it too. I don't think Thedas would benefit at all from restoring things lost to time. The Elves, who have gotten the shortest end of the stick, need modern solutions. They're not asking for magic or to communicate with Spirits? They just want to have better lives and not be treated like slaves more than half of the time. I don't think Solas is open to that yet. I don't think he see the reality of it all. We'll see what happens in the future though.

 

I always wondered about this conversation. At first I thought he was simply lying about his childhood, covering his tracks but has he ever lied to us? Besides omitting the truth or answering a question with a witty cryptic response, I don't know if he has yet.

[Caddius]

Remind me - has Elgar'nan been traced to any of the Old Gods yet? 

My guess is Dumat.

Dumat is the one who led the Magisters to the Golden City, ostensibly for vengeance against...something.

That, and he's the head of the pantheon. Many of his followers had to swear oaths of silence, and his High Priest is a high-falutin' jackass that nevertheless speaks with great poetry and arrogance. Sounds like Elgar'nan to me.

[madrar]

Remind me - has Elgar'nan been traced to any of the Old Gods yet?

Edit: Also, would you mind in your theory referring to Elgar'nan as Elgar'nan and not as the False Sun? It's more to keep things straight in my mind than anything against you or your awesome mind. Having two entities with the same name is wigging my brain out. Maybe.. All-Father as an alternative to False Sun? I'm totally open to your suggestions as well. I just feel there needs to be a more distinct name to the concept as well as a more solid definition so I can grasp what you're saying.

 

As far as I know, all of the Old Gods <-> Pantheon connections are just guesswork based on suspiciously overlapping domains and vague ideas about blight timelines and reincarnation.   But there are huge gaps in my lore- there might be something more solid than that out there.

[OxidantsHappen]

Must find way to incorporate....  How did Solas describe the nature of immortality again?   He shrugged it off as an inherent part of being elven, right?  No magic required?  I remember something like magic was an effect, not a cause.  Elves' access to magic is almost certainly has its roots in their half-and-half existence, the holdover from when the veil first went up.  Could the infection path be veil-side?  

 

*brain starts to fry*

 

There is something... here... ugh. 

 

Yes! He said it was inherent! So the only thing I can compare it to IRL is cancer cells. Cancer cells are considered 'immortal' because the cell line continually reproduces (defective apoptosis = no determined cell death). So I assume this is like how the elven immortality is.  If their immortality does not have a programmed "death" stage, their lifespan continues to grow and grow. The quickening can act like a regulator, therefore "stimulating" the death recognition cycle. I think. Maybe. Please poke holes if you find them, I'm kind of going off the deep end here.

[madrar]

Edit: Also, would you mind in your theory referring to Elgar'nan as Elgar'nan and not as the False Sun? It's more to keep things straight in my mind than anything against you or your awesome mind. Having two entities with the same name is wigging my brain out. Maybe.. All-Father as an alternative to False Sun? I'm totally open to your suggestions as well. I just feel there needs to be a more distinct name to the concept as well as a more solid definition so I can grasp what you're saying.

 

oh!  Sorry!  Where, though?  The only place I'm spotting it is where changing it would say Elgar'nan was setting him self up to be Elgar'nan, which... hee.   Probably not what you're talking about, yeah?

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Andir]

So.many.posts.to.catch.up.on! So many great theories. *o* I'm definitely going to miss 2,000, so I'll be on tomorrow (or later today for certain timezones?) to make a proper "f yeah, 2,000!" post.''For now I leave you with my fantastic photoshop skillz.™

 

 

Happy (early) 2,000 Solas thread! You guys are kickass and all kinds of awesome.

[OxidantsHappen]

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Happy (early) 2,000 Solas thread! You guys are kickass and all kinds of awesome.

 

Solas party? BYOB- Bring your own baldy.

[Kittn]

here you go. 

 

 

maybe you guys can hear more than me. There is one point where a creepy voice says i think but it's too fast for me.

 

Welp. Here it is, 2am. Alone in the dark. Headphones on. Listening to this. I am officially creeped the hell out. Its like watching one of them ghost hunter shows or something in the dead of night - because that's really the only way those shows are any good. There's goosebumps all up my arm.Think I'll turn on every light in the house, just in case.

 

Anyway, here's what I heard:

 

"She speaks the truth. She saw the Lost. Go to.. Dirth? [Next few words before the ellipsis sorta run together] Mythal speaks? The call is sweet ... from the blood. He is bound to the same. Travel far. Don't look."

 

Bolded bits are what I heard differently. Some of it was very soft or under other words. I'll keep listening, even if it gives me the heebie jeebies. 

[madrar]

My only rebuff against this is that the Mythal->Dumat->Andraste->Flemeth connection is too strong.

Reposting from here: 
 

Dumat being the Dragon of Silence also works because Mythal had been murdered and betrayed and thereby the first God to fall silent.
And Flemythal stating that she knows Corypheus better than we might know would also make sense because he was the most devoted follower to Dumat.

 

Holy crap.  This is the first time I've seen this.

 

The timing is certainly suspicious, but how do we get from murdered-Mythal during the fall of Arlathan to her OGS waking up in a deeproads Archdemon?  

[Sister Squish]

Yes! He said it was inherent! So the only thing I can compare it to IRL is cancer cells. Cancer cells are considered 'immortal' because the cell line continually reproduces (defective apoptosis = no determined cell death). So I assume this is like how the elven immortality is.  If their immortality does not have a programmed "death" stage, their lifespan continues to grow and grow. The quickening can act like a regulator, therefore "stimulating" the death recognition cycle. I think. Maybe. Please poke holes if you find them, I'm kind of going off the deep end here.

 

Don't be discouraged, this is amazing! I have always suspected that all this blood-related magic in Thedas has been simply sciency stuff that nobody truly understands! 

About the soul transferring: I am suddenly reminded of one of the codexes which you can only read after drinking the well, too:

Spoiler

The Elders ones "weeping" as they enter Uthenera. Perhaps once Uthenera was temporary, until their souls transferred to a new body in order to expand their lifespans. Now, without knowledge of how to do it, they know they are simply going to be sleeping for the rest of their days. 

[Caddius]

 

My only rebuff against this is that the Mythal->Dumat->Andraste->Flemeth connection is too strong.

Reposting from here: 
 

Dumat being the Dragon of Silence also works because Mythal had been murdered and betrayed and thereby the first God to fall silent.
And Flemythal stating that she knows Corypheus better than we might know would also make senses because he was the most devoted follower to Dumat.
EDIT: Snap. If that's true, perhaps that's WHY Fen'Harel gave Corpheus the Orb. He thought, hey, you're a devoted follower to Dumat who is Mythal, so here's the Orb! This couldn't go wrong!

I missed that comment of Flemeth's. I like this theory. Hmm. Razikale and Dirthamen fit in so well into Razikale and Lusacan, though. Must. Find. Way. To. Evolve. Pet. Theory.

As for your theories on the dwarves, I'm a few pages into the Neat Timeline. Dwarves make first contact with the elves in 3000FA (Founding of Arlathan). King Endrin Stonehammer, three and a half thousand years later, moves the capital to Orzammar, builds arenas, names the victors of the Provings as Paragons, and is himself named the 'First Paragon' on his deathbed for his accomplishments. There is no mention of Paragons before hand. The dwarves form their alliance with Tevinter five years before the official creation of the Imperium, and fifteen years into Darinius's reign.

EDIT: Someone needs to find Solas's discussion on the Old Gods. Everything he says. Especially that one conversation with Cassandra, where we the players realize that Egghead knows what the Archdemons really are, and just isn't going to say anything about it.

[Cheese of Borg]

Solas party? BYOB- Bring your own baldy.

<Grabs shaving kit>

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Caddius]

See - this is what I'm trying to figure out and I think Corpheus IS the hint. You can only KILL Corpheus once his dragon has been slain. These dragons carry a part of their soul, likely a way to keep them alive should they be slain. It allows them to be reborn should their physical form be destroyed. It would also explain why Flemythal states that Mythal was "but a wisp of what she was" when she found her. 

It's like when Solas dismisses Cassandra's thought that the Old God dragons are pets - they're not. The connection is more than that. It must be a symbiotic relationship of some kind that, when broken, has disastrous results.
 

 

 

 Oh, I totally believe Falon'Din and Dirthamen are the last two dragons and F YEAH for TWIN SOUL DOUBLE DRAGON BLIGHT. That'd be the most badass DA game I can imagine. And possibly the most hilarious band name I can imagine. 

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...Yes.

EDIT: We can all go home now. Lizasaurus figured it all out. 

[OxidantsHappen]

Don't be discouraged, this is amazing! I have always suspected that all this blood-related magic in Thedas has been simply sciency stuff that nobody truly understands! 

About the soul transferring: I am suddenly reminded of one of the codexes which you can only read after drinking the well, too:

Spoiler

The Elders ones "weeping" as they enter Uthenera. Perhaps once Uthenera was temporary, until their souls transferred to a new body in order to expand their lifespans. Now, without knowledge of how to do it, they know they are simply going to be sleeping for the rest of their days. 

 

Uthenera is another thing I've been chewing on. So compare uthenera to cell stasis and apply that to my cancer cell-immortality theory. Chemotherapy utilizes cytostatic treatments as a way to regulate cell growth. Uthenera could be a way of "pausing" growth/immortality/life (entering a dormant phase) rather than simply sleeping. 

 

EDIT: Because my original post was a crazy raving abomination that was an affront to science. And I don't know where I'm going with this. I think I fried my brain.

[Caddius]

Uthenera is another thing I've been chewing on. So compare uthenera to cell stasis and apply that to my cancer cell-immortality theory. Chemotherapy utilizes cytostatic treatments as a way to regulate cell growth. Uthenera could be a way of "pausing" growth/immortality/life (entering a dormant phase) rather than simply sleeping. 

 

EDIT: Because my original post was a crazy raving abomination that was an affront to science

If Mordin and Waldo Butters had a child, it would be you. 

[LliiraAnna]

Welp. Here it is, 2am. Alone in the dark. Headphones on. Listening to this. I am officially creeped the hell out. Its like watching one of them ghost hunter shows or something in the dead of night - because that's really the only way those shows are any good. There's goosebumps all up my arm.Think I'll turn on every light in the house, just in case.

 

Anyway, here's what I heard:

 

"She speaks the truth. She saw the Lost. Go to him. [Next 5 words garbled and speaking over each other] Dirth, Mythal speaks? The Call(ing?) ... speaks from the blood. He is bound to the same. Travel far. Don't look."

 

Bolded bits are what I heard differently. Some of it was very soft or under other words. I'll keep listening, even if it gives me the heebie jeebies. 

Ok, so what I am sure (almost) I hear: "Mythal speaks the truth" - there is a voice overlay, where the second voice says "calls" or "calling" at the same time. "Go to the..." - I am not sure about the last part. "Bound". "Hold" ("Cold"?). "You're bound to the same fate". "Travel far". "Don't speak". "She speaks the truth". "She's one of us" (another voice overlay saying "lost"?).

 

*continues listening*  

[OxidantsHappen]

If Mordin and Waldo Butters had a child, it would be you. 

 Most people sleep at 2 in the morning. Not me. I'm on a forum, trying to come up with a scientific theory about the cellular regeneration of elves in the dragon age universe. I'm not sure what that says about me.

[slmisfit]

Here, have a Solas staring at my Inquisitor, and being stared at by Vivienne.

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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