Aller au contenu

Photo

Solas Thread - NOW OFFICIALLY MOVED to Cyonan's BSN (link in OP)


153429 réponses à ce sujet

#49801
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages



#49802
Caddius

Caddius
  • Members
  • 2 222 messages

 THIS SHOULD BE STICKIED SOMEWHERE. Thank you a billion times, thank you!

The rather shabby migration page will be finished as soon as I get to the Qunari Invasion and convert it to FA. :)

EDIT: For all those on other threads saying that the Inquisition should follow their forebears and hang up their swords, bear in mind that there is a gap of a 119 years or so between the Inquisition forming and the Nevarran Accord. We've got time for more DLC.  :lol:

As for the pantheon's betrayer. I feel like an alliance of Elgar'nan and Falon'din is a likely bet, with Dirthamen doing shady things, Ghilan'nain off cross-breeding halla and dragon to create Qunari or some silliness, and Andruil pestering everyone about that whole five hundred year gap in her memory.


  • Sugao aime ceci

#49803
Bluwthe

Bluwthe
  • Members
  • 18 messages

Definitely a possibility as well. I could also see the Pantheon fracturing into groups who agree about how things SHOULD be - parts of me wonder if the main disagreement was over slavery OR some form of mind-control/ loss of free will (this could include something similar to the Blight or Red Lyrium which, while similar in that they are both tainted, are still distinct). We have no way of knowing at this time with the lore/ codex entries we currently have. BUT it was likely over a power struggle. A group of them likely saw one way to use or enhance their power, another group was revolted at that misuse of it. Differing points of view become a debate, fueling passion and competition, until they are left with nothing but anger and the desire to PROVE their point that leads to murder and betrayal.

Elgar'nan, given that he murdered his own mythological father, The Sun, could easily have turned against Mythal as well. Familial ties mean little to him. Power and 'being right' means everything.

Indeed. He seems to be the only one in the pantheon capable, as the rest are either their children (which could make their powers weaker than the parents) or don't have the type of temperament to betray one of their own. I definitely can see disagreements happening amongst them. Heck, two of them did fight until Fen'Harel broke it up (forgot the exact names of who, forgive me). The way I see it, Mythal was the peacekeeper to their constant bickering and general mistreatment of The People, which would explain why she and Fen'Harel got along and were so close. Probably closer than to him than she should have been to Elgar'nan?



#49804
scintilla

scintilla
  • Members
  • 1 373 messages

Does anyone have the Wonders of Thedas book on hand?

The wiki only gives me dates on Ferelden tribes and the Neromenians. For Ciriane, Ingirsh, and Planasene, I just get where they ended up.

 

This is sort of old but I didn't see any dates associated with the Ciriane, Inghrish, or Planasene.



#49805
Caddius

Caddius
  • Members
  • 2 222 messages

This is sort of old but I didn't see any dates associated with the Ciriane, Inghrish, or Planasene.

Damn. Thanks for looking. :)



#49806
Liec

Liec
  • Members
  • 1 170 messages

The reason I was asking about when Corypheus got the orb is because I had a WEIRD idea that Fen'Harel gave the Orb to Corypheus PRIOR to the birth of Andraste and gave it to the Priest of Dumat/ Mythal because he thought they were on the same side. **** goes super down, Corypheus and the Magisters break through the Veil, First Blight. Mythal->Dumat->Andraste. Shartan (if he's Solas) joins up and the real reason they go against Tevinter is to get the Orb back.

But given that this is likely not true due to the very good references we have so far of Corypheus not having the orb until much, much later out of the Warden Prison, it's irrelevant.

EDIT:
This COULD still be a possibility if Corypheus HID the orb prior to being taken into the Warden Fortress and came back for it. Fen'Harel just would have had to have TWO uthenera periods. One after the sealing of the Elven Pantheon/ Forbidden Ones until the Magisters, another post-Andraste.


Mm there is that design note that says that Solas slept for a thousand years, which was roughly around the time of Andraste. The time of Arlathan was way before that , so if he actually is an ancient elf then it's likely he went through two sleeping periods like you say. The start of the First Blight was more than a thousand years ago however.

#49807
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages


  • Caddius aime ceci

#49808
Caddius

Caddius
  • Members
  • 2 222 messages

http://imgur.com/TropQvQ

Migration of human tribes, along with the Qunari invasion. All dates in FA.


  • Tielis, neonmoth et Sister Squish aiment ceci

#49809
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages



#49810
Addai

Addai
  • Members
  • 25 850 messages

To any other Warden that midnight attack was just an annoyance, a sign that they needed to hurry and save Ferelden. To Dalish Warden, it was a stark reminder of the one she failed to save. More than that, it was a glimpse of the fate promised to her by the Calling, seen in the ghastly visage of a dear friend. Deep, ya'll.

Another person gutted by that sneaky sneaky Tamlen reappearance. Of my DAO YouTube videos, that one got the most views except the ones that involved nekkid Alistair, and the most shocked comments from people who had never seen it. Mahariel definitely made a convincing Warden, also because she already had the taint.
 

Random thought: I never in my Dragon Age-loving life would have ever expected that Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, would turn out to be some woobie, charming, bald elf Fade nerd who would break your heart (if you romanced him that is). I'm just thinking back to when I first played DA:O and DA2 and the image I had of Fen'Harel was so different (evil trickster wolf god deity thing). It's just funny how things turned out looking back.

I'm happy that I wrote a fanfic story comparing Mahariel to Fen'Harel because you end up being a lonely figure between two worlds, mistrusted by everyone, even though you're saving them. I guess I thought the statues of the wolf god facing away from the Dalish camps were sad. He's there but not accepted. The Dalish invoking him all these years while reviling him... argh, that's just...

Do you suppose he heard all those curses somehow? He must have, reflected in the Fade. Can you imagine being the kind of person Solas is, to know that you gave up everything to help people, and your name has become a curse word among the very people you tried to save? No wonder it's hard for him to claim that name in front of the woman he loves.
  • jellobell, CapricornSun, cleosilver et 5 autres aiment ceci

#49811
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages

.



#49812
Caddius

Caddius
  • Members
  • 2 222 messages

Interesting! So the Qunari and the Humans DO come from the same direction!!

Humans are generally thought of as the native inhabitants of Par Vollen. Along with the fex. It's unclear when they built the pyramids. It's possible they arrived by boat.

The Qunari arrived by boat and annexed Par Vollen and managed to take over most of Seheron before the Tevinter Imperium noticed. Qunari rogues are well justified.

EDIT: My favorite thing about going through the entire timeline is how many times you see 'Force X laid siege to Minrathous and gave up after Y years.'  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Even the timeline seems disgusted.


  • Sister Squish aime ceci

#49813
javeart

javeart
  • Members
  • 943 messages

About Elgar'nan betraying Flementh, that's what I've always thought. My reasons, though, are weak, as usual: it's only that husband betraying their wives seems to be recurrent in DA history and I don't believe in coincidences  :lol: or at least, I believe writters shouldn't rely too much on them  :P Also, it'd explain why Mythal would sympathize with Flemeth so much.

 

But, as I still want to think that Falon'Din it's going to be the bad guy, I'm inclined to think that he was the responsible for Elgar'nan decision of turning against Mythal. Maybe he was resentful after Mythal rallied the other gods against him, and tricked  Elgar'nan into thinking she was going to do the same thing to him eventually? something of the sort... Of course, nothing at all to support this theory either  :lol: 



#49814
DraconisWolf

DraconisWolf
  • Members
  • 54 messages

Whoa

 

> Once upon a time there was a land of elves, ruled by Elgar'nan

> Mythal, queen of the humans, arrives onto this land's shores, forever becoming associated with the sea she crossed to get there

> Elgar'nan and Mythal marry, uniting the two peoples

> The secrets of magic are shared among kings and queens, including immortality - which involves transferring a soul to a new body

> Ghilan'nain in particular becomes obsessed with trying to perfect the ideal host

> Somewhere down the line, one of Ghilan'nain's experiments either go terribly wrong... or she intentionally unleashes it upon the rest of the world. 

> Cue years of civil war

 

??

 

Interesting...
It kind of reminds me of the Dark Souls lore for some reason. There was a king and a queen that came from a land beyond the see. There were experiments performed , there are souls involved, and they are transferred. Dragons ruled the skies before men came , dragons exist out of time and fate. And there is also the Abyss or Void. No undead curse , but there could be parallels between the curse and the taint ...maybe , probably?
I can't help but make
Perhaps Falon'Din's soul was split so that he doesn't hold all the secrets. Maybe I'm being too literal , but the twin souls thing could be interpreted as a splitting of souls , 2 beings sharing 1 soul. Although this part of the lore confuses me. What is difference between a soul and a spirit? They don't seem to use the word "soul" all that often. There is much bigger emphasis on blood, which I interpret as some kind of force, like The Force in the Star Wars universe. Mages could tap into this force and it's quite powerful , altogether bypassing using lyrium and the Fade as a source of power.
Back to my Dark Souls parallels. Dragons exist outside of time and fate. They are a gray area between life and death, black and white, fire and darkness (that's in the DS lore). Flemeth used Yavanna to wake up the Great Dragon , King Vendrick used his brother to make a false dragon so he could deny fate.
 
Back to Solas then, so I'm not completely offtopic. I get the feeling that Solas was some kind bodyguard, protector. Like the great wolfe statues  that surve as protectors, and travelers feel safe around them.I think at some point he mentions that he has military experience and was basiclly a soldier.So I get the vibe that he was a royal protector ,royal aegis ( like Velstadt, the Royal Aegis in DS 2), and like Velstadt he could have been a Right Hand. It could explain why there is a Fen'Harel statue in the temple of Mythal , as a declaration that this place is under the protection of the Dread Wolf. Also as a royal protector he would have to attend all the event at court, and eventually getting used to them.
Also Abelas was reeeeally quick to dismiss Fen'Harel involvement in Mythal's murder, like it's some preposterous idea that the protector could have murdered her.

  • Missy_MI, flabbadence, OxidantsHappen et 1 autre aiment ceci

#49815
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages



#49816
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages



#49817
LliiraAnna

LliiraAnna
  • Members
  • 495 messages

What's interesting here though is that his statue is ALSO in the Temple of Dirthamen, not just Mythal's.

Maybe he was a protector of the pantheon as a whole. Not just Mythal.

 

Edit: Solavellan pic for the top of the page  ^_^

 

tumblr_nhp7f80X7B1rbu07ho1_500.png

 

http://monkeyjules.t...ia-tumblr-su-we


  • NightSymphony, Sugao, Wheels et 1 autre aiment ceci

#49818
tsunamitigerdragon

tsunamitigerdragon
  • Members
  • 1 794 messages

.



#49819
Caddius

Caddius
  • Members
  • 2 222 messages

Maybe he was the protector of the pantheon as a whole. Not just Mythal.

And adding to that, maybe even the peacekeeper between the Creators and the Forgotten Ones?

Mythal judges the mortals and settles disputes, Fen'harel settles disputes between the gods as amicably as possible?

Also:

Ancient and Divine Ages.

Spoiler


  • flabbadence aime ceci

#49820
Ajna

Ajna
  • Members
  • 5 928 messages

Perhaps he was a protector of the pantheon in general, when he locked them up, to maybe protect them (from themselves) he was just doing his job?

 

Edit: Still got :ph34r: 'd, I give up lol.


  • scintilla, Sugao et Ser_Lurk aiment ceci

#49821
Rabbitonfire

Rabbitonfire
  • Members
  • 2 052 messages

Perhaps he was a protector of the pantheon in general, when he locked them up, to maybe protect them (from themselves) he was just doing his job?

 

Edit: Still got :ph34r: 'd, I give up lol.

All in a good day's work. *pats self*



#49822
scintilla

scintilla
  • Members
  • 1 373 messages

Hey Ajna! Feeling better today?

 

Making this relevant with Solas's "oh that's not good" face:

 

Vijiu4r.jpg



#49823
Ajna

Ajna
  • Members
  • 5 928 messages

All in a good day's work. *pats self*

Job done, I can have a nap now.

 

The protector who is cast out by the people and twisted into something horrifying is incredibly sad :(.


  • Ser_Lurk, Rabbitonfire et Caddius aiment ceci

#49824
Caddius

Caddius
  • Members
  • 2 222 messages

Hey Ajna! Feeling better today?

 

Making this relevant with Solas's "oh that's not good" face:

 

Vijiu4r.jpg

Solas with hair?

What blasphemy is this?!

BURN THE HERETIC!


  • Sugao aime ceci

#49825
slmisfit

slmisfit
  • Members
  • 526 messages

Hey Ajna! Feeling better today?

 

Making this relevant with Solas's "oh that's not good" face:

 

Vijiu4r.jpg

Ooooh my god. That shadow made it look like he had hair for a second. Horribly receding hair.


  • nranola, Sugao et Rabbitonfire aiment ceci