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[mindoirs]

Late but happy 2000!

[dragondreamer]

I'm just endlessly amused that the concept artists took the Dread Wolf thing and attempted to run with it.

[Siha]

For whatever reason, I had read somewhere - maybe it was with laidlaw - the intent was to do post-epilogue DLC.  So the it would be like set-up for whatever is to come and/or resolve some outstanding story issues.  I really could be just quoting that from an errant article and that was the writer's desire.  No idea where I got that idea.

 

I hope I don't have to wait until DA4 for the Solas thing to be resolved.  Another 4-5 years....ugh.  

 

I do not know if any of the following really contains spoilers, but anyway...

 

Spoiler

It's a tragedy that drinking from the well was made a player choice, as this most likely means they cannot really follow up on it storywise. Just imagine the inquisitor would have been forced to drink... with Solas then harboring Mythal's soul, which the (possibly romanced) inquisitor is bound to for life...

However, if the inquisitor truely is to be the protagonist of the next game as well, I do not see much Solas-DLC coming. I just cannot imagine they would actually "give away" too much of this story in a DLC. It could make a whole new game itself.

[AWTEW]

I want to romance solas on my next elf sooooooooo much
 
but I can't take the heartbreak! 

Do it, you know u want too..

[The Ascendant]

How did the Creators become so powerful as to be revered as deities? What was so special about them? Solas looks like an everyday Elf. What made him appear like a God to the ancient Elves? I remember that Ghilan'nain was once an Elf and become one of them in return for destroying the monsters and beasts she created.

[Siha]

How did the Creators become so powerful as to be revered as deities? What was so special about them? Solas looks like an everyday Elf. What made him appear like a God to the ancient Elves? I remember that Ghilan'nain was once an Elf and become one of them in return for destroying the monsters and beasts she created.

I assume, Solas is the soul of Fen'Harel in the body of a common elf, just like Mythal's soul had taken over Flemeth's body. I don't think anybody can actually say what the old gods looked like, if they ever were gods. Besides, Solas claims they were "common" elves, anyway.

[llandwynwyn]

Congrats Solas thread!

 

Nope, you're not, I think he's perfect as he is.

 

It annoys me people mourn his baldness all the time. There is nothing wrong with being bald and it's completely disrespectful imo

[Mims]

I keep hearing people say "oh have you found the secret magister darkspawn?"

 

I don't know what they are talking about. 

 

We've hit the point where all of our conspiracy theories are starting to blend together! 

 

Not sure what they mean. Possibly the Architect? He was more or less confirmed to be a magister. 

[TanisLave]

I think he looks fine in-game bald, It adds to his whole nerdy/fade hobo vibe.

 

In artwork, It looks alittle odd? but It could be because people are used to drawing bald people. 

[Illyria]

I assume, Solas is the soul of Fen'Harel in the body of a common elf, just like Mythal's soul had taken over Flemeth's body. I don't think anybody can actually say what the old gods looked like, if they ever were gods. Besides, Solas claims they were "common" elves, anyway.

 

I think that the gods were very powerful mages.  Solas' only soul (until the whole Mythal thing) was his own.  He is Fen'Harel and Fen'Harel is Solas.  Perhaps he's been alive so long that he doesn't even know how they got to be gods.  He tells Quizzy that the gods were 'mages or spirits or something you've never seen before'.

 

EDIT: If he is the sould of Fen'Harel in Solas' body then he becomes less interesting to me, actually.  People get too caught up in thinking about what they think Fen'Harel should be that they start ignoring that he's Solas.

[Nika]

Hey that video I made last night was featured on IGN!

http://www.ign.com/a...n-a-huge-secret

To me it sounds like right after "She's fallen, lost" it says "Go to the warden(s)" or at least "Go to ..." Something :/
Ahh ok someone already heard it

[Ajna]

Congrats Solas thread!

 

 

It annoys me people mourn his baldness all the time. There is nothing wrong with being bald and it's completely disrespectful imo

 

Don't start me off on shaved heads, I might have a penchant for dreads, but my ex fiance had a shaved head and they feel sooooo good...I might have gone off on one one about this in the past... I'll get my coat.

[Siha]

I think that the gods were very powerful mages.  Solas' only soul (until the whole Mythal thing) was his own.  He is Fen'Harel and Fen'Harel is Solas.  Perhaps he's been alive so long that he doesn't even know how they got to be gods.  He tells Quizzy that the gods were 'mages or spirits or something you've never seen before'.

 

EDIT: If he is the sould of Fen'Harel in Solas' body then he becomes less interesting to me, actually.  People get too caught up in thinking about what they think Fen'Harel should be that they start ignoring that he's Solas.

But Solas has this conversation about the "immortality of elves" and claims it is just a myth. Even accounting for a looong life, a single immortal body cannot possibly last that long? Especially when he stresses that the old gods were no gods at all, but simply powerful mages?

I do not know. But if Mythal must find a new body whenever the last one starts to fail, why would Fen'harel be better off? They are, after all, "one people".

[Arlee]

But Solas has this conversation about the "immortality of elves" and claims it is just a myth. Even accounting for a looong life, a single immortal body cannot possibly last that long? Especially when he stresses that the old gods were no gods at all, but simply powerful elves?

I do not know. But if Mythal must find a new body whenever the last one starts to fail, why would Fen'harel be better off? They are, after all, "one people".

 

I thought what he said was that their immortality wasn't tied to their magic, not that they weren't immortal.

[Mims]

How did the Creators become so powerful as to be revered as deities? What was so special about them? Solas looks like an everyday Elf. What made him appear like a God to the ancient Elves? I remember that Ghilan'nain was once an Elf and become one of them in return for destroying the monsters and beasts she created.

 

My theory is one of the following:

 

- The creators were the most powerful magisters of their time, and it took centuries for the rest of the world to catch up with them. Imagine being born naturally gifted with magic to the point that you hardly needed much training. Everyone around you is still fumbling around, trying to cast fire, trying to make settlements that don't fall apart. If you were this sort of gifted person, you would very much appear to be a god amongst your people. Maybe even you come to think of yourself as a god. But over time, the gap between god and the people slowly closed. 

 

- The creators utilized a resource that no one else was able to. No telling what this 'resource' could have been. Some people speculated something like the well. It could be the foci themselves. It could be a unique trick to drawing an immense magic from the fade. Whatever it was, they used it and exploited it to appear as gods.

 

- Some of the creators may not be elves. Possibly the super intelligent dragons? Or perhaps they were spirits? In which case, most of the godlike power drew from them, and they elevated chosen followers as they saw fit.  

[tsunamitigerdragon]

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[Addai]

I thought what he said was that their immortality wasn't tied to their magic, not that they weren't immortal.

Yep, he just says that their magic was a by-product of longevity, not the cause.

 

And happy belated 2000!!

[miraclemight]

But Solas has this conversation about the "immortality of elves" and claims it is just a myth. Even accounting for a looong life, a single immortal body cannot possibly last that long? Especially when he stresses that the old gods were no gods at all, but simply powerful mages?

I do not know. But if Mythal must find a new body whenever the last one starts to fail, why would Fen'harel be better off? They are, after all, "one people".

 

He actually confirms the immortality of ancient elves, only that it wasn't a spell and was part of being elven.

 

Edit: Guess I've already been ninja'd. This thread moves with the speed of light. 

[Siha]

I thought what he said was that their immortality wasn't tied to their magic, not that they weren't immortal.

Hmm.. Maybe I was mistaken. She says (I checked) "The legends of elven immortality... did use magic to increase their lifespans?" I understood this as "they lived very long, but they died eventually", because of the use of "legends" and "increase lifespan". But maybe it was about real immortality after all.

In that case, I wonder: why does Mythal need new bodies?

[Siha]

Edit: Guess I've already been ninja'd. This thread moves with the speed of light. 

Exactly.

[Rabbitonfire]

I assume, Solas is the soul of Fen'Harel in the body of a common elf, just like Mythal's soul had taken over Flemeth's body. I don't think anybody can actually say what the old gods looked like, if they ever were gods. Besides, Solas claims they were "common" elves, anyway.

Oh my... Imagine the slave markets where they pick for vessels. They just bodyswap out and bam, new look for the season. 

[DragonRacer]

Hmm.. Maybe I was mistaken. She says (I checked) "The legends of elven immortality... did use magic to increase their lifespans?" I understood this as "they lived very long, but they died eventually", because of the use of "legends" and "increase lifespan". But maybe it was about real immortality after all.

In that case, I wonder: why does Mythal need new bodies?

 

Mythal was murdered, which I take to mean her original (elven?) body was killed. Her soul apparently wandered or was lost somewhere, weakened, until it entered into Flemeth since they both were of accord of wanting vengeance against those who'd wronged them (thus, Flemeth accepted Mythal into her body, validating the whole "you can't force a soul on the unwilling" deal). Since Flemeth was human, her body would eventually age and die, thus Flemythal has had to keep body-hopping to stick around.

 

Solas, meanwhile, I assume is just running around in his original, immortal elven body still.

[Arlee]

Hmm.. Maybe I was mistaken. She says (I checked) "The legends of elven immortality... did use magic to increase their lifespans?" I understood this as "they lived very long, but they died eventually", because of the use of "legends" and "increase lifespan". But maybe it was about real immortality after all.

In that case, I wonder: why does Mythal need new bodies?

 My guess is because she was killed. The way I interpret it is similar to elves in other settings where if left to their own devices they have no limit to their lifespan (no dying from old age/disease/etc) but they can be slain. However, they also know how to pass on their spirit to someone else so that is another form of immortality, but since the new bodies don't have immortality Mythal has to continue to hop.

[Illyria]

But Solas has this conversation about the "immortality of elves" and claims it is just a myth. Even accounting for a looong life, a single immortal body cannot possibly last that long? Especially when he stresses that the old gods were no gods at all, but simply powerful mages?

I do not know. But if Mythal must find a new body whenever the last one starts to fail, why would Fen'harel be better off? They are, after all, "one people".

 

Solas says that the immortality of the elves was part of who they were at one point.

 

Mythal is different, she is possessing Flemeth (and may have possessed others as well) because all that is left of Mythal is a tiny fragment of a soul.  Fen'Harel (if I'm right) is still very much alive.  He just goes by the name Solas now.

[Illyria]

My theory is one of the following:

 

- The creators were the most powerful magisters of their time, and it took centuries for the rest of the world to catch up with them. Imagine being born naturally gifted with magic to the point that you hardly needed much training. Everyone around you is still fumbling around, trying to cast fire, trying to make settlements that don't fall apart. If you were this sort of gifted person, you would very much appear to be a god amongst your people. Maybe even you come to think of yourself as a god. But over time, the gap between god and the people slowly closed. 

 

- The creators utilized a resource that no one else was able to. No telling what this 'resource' could have been. Some people speculated something like the well. It could be the foci themselves. It could be a unique trick to drawing an immense magic from the fade. Whatever it was, they used it and exploited it to appear as gods.

 

- Some of the creators may not be elves. Possibly the super intelligent dragons? Or perhaps they were spirits? In which case, most of the godlike power drew from them, and they elevated chosen followers as they saw fit.  

 

Thanks for saying that better than I did.